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If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?
Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Tyson
wlad
Prime for prime and remember if they all fought each other say twice prime and taking into account some fighters stylistically are more effective against better fighters.
1. Tyson
2. Lewis
3. Holyfield
4. Bowe
5. Wlad
I know Bowe owned Evander prime but i think Evander would do better against the other 3 than Bowe his style wise is more suited to Tyson and lennox imo.
What u guys think.
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Most wins imo
Tyson
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Vlad (who would lose to them all!!)
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Most wins imo
Tyson
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Vlad (who would lose to them all!!)
Was a toss up for me Bowe and holyfield, probably because Evander did pretty well against them and Bowe never fought Mike or Lennox.
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I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.
Lewis beats Bowe (Ive changed on that one) and Lewis beats Wlad.
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Lewis - I think he could beat them all and would have beaten Wvlad if they met
Holyfield - Him and Bowe beat each other but priome for prime Holy matches up better against teh other names
Tyson - At his best it was only the style of lewis and Holyfield he had trouble with. i think he couldnt have taken bowe once bowes mental demons set in
Bowe- not as good as teh rest but a more complete fighter than wvlad
klitschko - dont think he would have beaten any of tthe names above unless it was a lucky punch .
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1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson
This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.
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I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.
Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then
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I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.
Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then
Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.
He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.
I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.
Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then
Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.
He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.
I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.
It's still hard to say for me on that night.It's important with whom and what a fighter surrounds himself with but ultimately,they can not make a fighter preform if a guys head is not there.IMo,Tyson was soft mentally and needed boosting up at times,making him easily influenced by King.He told Tyson what he wanted to hear,Rooney & Atlas told him what he needed to here....mostly.I do agree that Tyson was surrounding himself with complete tools specifically in the Douglas fight.....frigging fan boys,and a Hot water bottle, WTF indeed.Douglas was on point in there and I still say He could have given many,many a fine heavyweight hell that night.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.
Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then
Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.
He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.
I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.
Tyson was always mentally weak regardless of what trainer he had or etc, i still don't get why people think Tyson is some sort of unbeatable fighting machine, i see him struggle against Tony Tucker and Tucker broke his hand after the 4th round, and i see him struggle with Tillis as well, what they both had in common was that they were both tall and good movers. I mean people base Tyson off two performances against Berbick, Spinks, which were both combined only 3 rounds. Do i see Tyson as a very good fighter ?? yes but i always thought he was very beatable you could time his head movement coming in he would bob and weave 3 times then start throwing punches, but because fighters were so scared of him they never went in with any gameplan and if they did it went out of the window as soon as the first bell rung.
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When Lennox was motivated, he was nearly unbeatable. And he had the physical tools... size, reach, power, boxing skills. Yeah, he got KO'd by McCall and Rahman, but look how he came back.
Tyson did the best he could with his limited size, but prime Tyson would've still lost to prime (and motivated) Lewis.
Bowe was gifted, but an underachiever. If Golota hadn't been incredibly moronic, he would've KTFO'ed Bowe, instead of getting stupidly DQ'ed.
Holyfield was a warrior, but was still a pumped-up LHW and would lose to a prime Lewis.
Wlad? He's good and improving, but he's lucky there's not a prime Lewis around to fight. Otherwise, it'd be a different story.
I think it's Lewis.
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1.Lewis
2.Holyfield
3.Tyson
4.Bowe
5.Wlad
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1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson
This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.
I almost totally agree with this apart from I think that Evander in his Prime would have beaten Lewis and I believe that he was in his prime in the second Bowe fight and I don't think Bowe was far from his.
1)Holyfield
2)Lewis
3)Bowe
4)Tyson
5)Klitschko ( I could have made more of an arguement for Vitali Klitschko after he was beating Lewis until the cut stopped him although it wasn't Lewis in his prime!)
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My list is totally different:
1. Lewis
2. Tyson
3. Bowe
4. Wlad
5. Holyfield
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Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then
Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.
He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.
I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.
Tyson was always mentally weak regardless of what trainer he had or etc, i still don't get why people think Tyson is some sort of unbeatable fighting machine, i see him struggle against Tony Tucker and Tucker broke his hand after the 4th round, and i see him struggle with Tillis as well, what they both had in common was that they were both tall and good movers. I mean people base Tyson off two performances against Berbick, Spinks, which were both combined only 3 rounds. Do i see Tyson as a very good fighter ?? yes but i always thought he was very beatable you could time his head movement coming in he would bob and weave 3 times then start throwing punches, but because fighters were so scared of him they never went in with any gameplan and if they did it went out of the window as soon as the first bell rung.
I look at Tyson 86-89 and find it really hard to find many heavyweights that would live with him left alone compete.
The only guys i see beating him are Holmes and Ali.
Thats just my opinion i was around in Tysons hayday he was a great fighter no doubt.
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Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield/Tyson
Wlad
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It's not really fair to throw Wlad in there just yet as he's currently in his prime, that being said I think he'd surprise a few of those guys and beat them....Riddick Bowe and Holyfield would have been the best options for him to beat. A Prime Tyson had a hell of a chin and power in both hands and was really quick but Wlad's jab could pose big problems to Iron Mike. Lewis is a guy he tries to emulate and it would be a chess match....Wlad had the better jab and Lewis had the better killer instinct.
I'd say Lewis would come out on top more often than anyone else
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1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson
This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.
I agree with this list.
Tyson accomplished more in his career than Bowe, but best night vs. best night, I'll always take a tall long-armed fighter with a jab over a short, stocky, short-armed fighter.
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When Lennox was motivated, he was nearly unbeatable. And he had the physical tools... size, reach, power, boxing skills. Yeah, he got KO'd by McCall and Rahman, but look how he came back.
Tyson did the best he could with his limited size, but prime Tyson would've still lost to prime (and motivated) Lewis.
Bowe was gifted, but an underachiever. If Golota hadn't been incredibly moronic, he would've KTFO'ed Bowe, instead of getting stupidly DQ'ed.
Holyfield was a warrior, but was still a pumped-up LHW and would lose to a prime Lewis.
Wlad? He's good and improving, but he's lucky there's not a prime Lewis around to fight. Otherwise, it'd be a different story.
I think it's Lewis.
Titofan I'm with you on Lewis all & all.He stikes me as One that gets more and more appreciation in hindsight & reflecting on career Imo.....for me anyway.His war with Mercer really made me turn the corner and realize that this man is for real and demands respect.....forget all of the stereo types about Euro Heavys.....he took that non-logic and tossed it in the trashcan.And yeh,he was also jobbed in the 1st Holyfield fight,Terrible call by the judges.
One thing though,We have got to put this Idea that Holyfield was just an oversized Lt.Hvy or Cruiser to bed.True,compared to many in history and even his own Era he was the lighter man......but only in literal #'s.He competed with The best big men of his time and I personally believe at his prime he could have more than held his own with any Heavy in History.No,not beat all of them but belongs right up there.......He was far more than just a big heart.Tremendous counter puncher,anvil Chin,underrated left hook,good sliding foot work and a self belief almost unequaled.
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TitoFan
When Lennox was motivated, he was nearly unbeatable. And he had the physical tools... size, reach, power, boxing skills. Yeah, he got KO'd by McCall and Rahman, but look how he came back.
Tyson did the best he could with his limited size, but prime Tyson would've still lost to prime (and motivated) Lewis.
Bowe was gifted, but an underachiever. If Golota hadn't been incredibly moronic, he would've KTFO'ed Bowe, instead of getting stupidly DQ'ed.
Holyfield was a warrior, but was still a pumped-up LHW and would lose to a prime Lewis.
Wlad? He's good and improving, but he's lucky there's not a prime Lewis around to fight. Otherwise, it'd be a different story.
I think it's Lewis.
Titofan I'm with you on Lewis all & all.He stikes me as One that gets more and more appreciation in hindsight & reflecting on career Imo.....for me anyway.His war with Mercer really made me turn the corner and realize that this man is for real and demands respect.....forget all of the stereo types about Euro Heavys.....he took that non-logic and tossed it in the trashcan.And yeh,he was also jobbed in the 1st Holyfield fight,Terrible call by the judges.
One thing though,We have got to put this Idea that Holyfield was just an oversized Lt.Hvy or Cruiser to bed.True,compared to many in history and even his own Era he was the lighter man......but only in literal #'s.He competed with The best big men of his time and I personally believe at his prime he could have more than held his own with any Heavy in History.No,not beat all of them but belongs right up there.......He was far more than just a big heart.Tremendous counter puncher,anvil Chin,underrated left hook,good sliding foot work and a self belief almost unequaled.
Good points, Spicoli. I have to admit that I tend to slight Holyfield a little bit. Not that I dislike him or haven't enjoyed watching his fights. And I definitely admire his move into the HWs more than I do someone like Toney. One reason being that Holyfield was always in tremendous physical shape, whereas Toney's weight was mostly fat. I've always admired Holyfield's warrior mentality as well. Plus, he's always been a humble person, never arrogant.
But something inside my brain always makes me think of Holyfield in the light-heavyweight sense. Even his victories over Tyson, as amazing as they were, always struck me as kind of "fluke-ish". I can't see even a prime Holyfield ever beating a prime Mike Tyson. Maybe that's why I consider Holyfield a great "over-achiever". 'Cause he's gotten more mileage out of his size and skills than many other fighters would have.
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TitoFan
When Lennox was motivated, he was nearly unbeatable. And he had the physical tools... size, reach, power, boxing skills. Yeah, he got KO'd by McCall and Rahman, but look how he came back.
Tyson did the best he could with his limited size, but prime Tyson would've still lost to prime (and motivated) Lewis.
Bowe was gifted, but an underachiever. If Golota hadn't been incredibly moronic, he would've KTFO'ed Bowe, instead of getting stupidly DQ'ed.
Holyfield was a warrior, but was still a pumped-up LHW and would lose to a prime Lewis.
Wlad? He's good and improving, but he's lucky there's not a prime Lewis around to fight. Otherwise, it'd be a different story.
I think it's Lewis.
Titofan I'm with you on Lewis all & all.He stikes me as One that gets more and more appreciation in hindsight & reflecting on career Imo.....for me anyway.His war with Mercer really made me turn the corner and realize that this man is for real and demands respect.....forget all of the stereo types about Euro Heavys.....he took that non-logic and tossed it in the trashcan.And yeh,he was also jobbed in the 1st Holyfield fight,Terrible call by the judges.
One thing though,We have got to put this Idea that Holyfield was just an oversized Lt.Hvy or Cruiser to bed.True,compared to many in history and even his own Era he was the lighter man......but only in literal #'s.He competed with The best big men of his time and I personally believe at his prime he could have more than held his own with any Heavy in History.No,not beat all of them but belongs right up there.......He was far more than just a big heart.Tremendous counter puncher,anvil Chin,underrated left hook,good sliding foot work and a self belief almost unequaled.
Good points, Spicoli. I have to admit that I tend to slight Holyfield a little bit. Not that I dislike him or haven't enjoyed watching his fights. And I definitely admire his move into the HWs more than I do someone like Toney. One reason being that Holyfield was always in tremendous physical shape, whereas Toney's weight was mostly fat. I've always admired Holyfield's warrior mentality as well. Plus, he's always been a humble person, never arrogant.
But something inside my brain always makes me think of Holyfield in the light-heavyweight sense. Even his victories over Tyson, as amazing as they were, always struck me as kind of "fluke-ish". I can't see even a prime Holyfield ever beating a prime Mike Tyson. Maybe that's why I consider Holyfield a great "over-achiever". 'Cause he's gotten more mileage out of his size and skills than many other fighters would have.
Holyfield is one of my favourite ever heavys (behind only Marciano and Ali) so maybe I'm being slightly biased but personally I think that he would have beaten Tyson at any point in their careers.
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Good points, Spicoli. I have to admit that I tend to slight Holyfield a little bit. Not that I dislike him or haven't enjoyed watching his fights. And I definitely admire his move into the HWs more than I do someone like Toney. One reason being that Holyfield was always in tremendous physical shape, whereas Toney's weight was mostly fat. I've always admired Holyfield's warrior mentality as well. Plus, he's always been a humble person, never arrogant.
But something inside my brain always makes me think of Holyfield in the light-heavyweight sense. Even his victories over Tyson, as amazing as they were, always struck me as kind of "fluke-ish". I can't see even a prime Holyfield ever beating a prime Mike Tyson. Maybe that's why I consider Holyfield a great "over-achiever". 'Cause he's gotten more mileage out of his size and skills than many other fighters would have.
Holyfield is one of my favourite ever heavys (behind only Marciano and Ali) so maybe I'm being slightly biased
but personally I think that he would have beaten Tyson at any point in their careers.
I think you're both right. Holyfield is an over-achiever and was never a truly dominant heavyweight champion (he struggled in his prime against Cooper, Foreman, Holmes, etc.)
On the other hand, I agree with rjj that Holyfield would have beaten Tyson no matter when they fought. Holyfield simply had Tyson's number and always will.
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Good points, Spicoli. I have to admit that I tend to slight Holyfield a little bit. Not that I dislike him or haven't enjoyed watching his fights. And I definitely admire his move into the HWs more than I do someone like Toney. One reason being that Holyfield was always in tremendous physical shape, whereas Toney's weight was mostly fat. I've always admired Holyfield's warrior mentality as well. Plus, he's always been a humble person, never arrogant.
But something inside my brain always makes me think of Holyfield in the light-heavyweight sense. Even his victories over Tyson, as amazing as they were, always struck me as kind of "fluke-ish". I can't see even a prime Holyfield ever beating a prime Mike Tyson. Maybe that's why I consider Holyfield a great "over-achiever". 'Cause he's gotten more mileage out of his size and skills than many other fighters would have.
Holyfield is one of my favourite ever heavys (behind only Marciano and Ali) so maybe I'm being slightly biased
but personally I think that he would have beaten Tyson at any point in their careers.
I think you're both right. Holyfield is an over-achiever and was never a truly dominant heavyweight champion (he struggled in his prime against Cooper, Foreman, Holmes, etc.)
On the other hand, I agree with rjj that Holyfield would have beaten Tyson no matter when they fought. Holyfield simply had Tyson's number and always will.
Agreed on that one.People often forget what chances many gave him going in with Tyson at the time....slim & none in the media.Tysons desperation in the rematch spoke volumes to his confidence in beating Holyfield.Mentally it was not even close IMo.
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I think Lewis is the man to win it he has beat everyone on the list damn near prime or no prim think Lennox Lewis wins it.
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Prime for prime??
1. Mike Tyson - I'm talking about 80's Tyson...... not 90's post prison Tyson. The loss of Cus D'Amato (who was basiclly Tyson's Dad and was without a doubt his mentor) absolutely destroyed "Iron," Mike.
2. Riddick Bowe - Again.... we're talking about fighters when they were at their absolute peak. Riddick Bowe on his "A," game was damn near unbeatable.
3. Wladmir Klitchko - He was very flawed a while back, but Manny polished out those flaws and turned Klitchko into a monster. When you have a guy that big that has been blessed with so many physical attributes, and turn him into one of the most technically sound heavyweights in ages..... then you have an all time great.
4. Lennox Lewis - Another guy that was physically gifted but flawed......... until Manny got to him
5. Evander Holyfield - Great fighter until he moved to heavyweight. Then when he hit heavyweight, he was just a bigger version of Arturo Gatti. Very exciting because his defensive plan was to just let guys punch him in the face, but ultimately..... he won a few big fights at HW but lost to far too many lackluster opponents.
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Tyson beats them but may loose to Holyfield and Lewis in the second fight
Lewis may beat Tyson once but would loose to Holyfield at least once
Bowe gets beat by the above butbeats the ones below at least once
Holyfield was inconsistent but would give everyone a hard fight.
Wlad not in the same league
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1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson
This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.
Gotta agree with Lewis at number 1 ICB.
When he was on his game he was maybe the most complete HW who has ever lived. Size, power, skill and speed, with a decent fighting brain. If u were big and slow he'd outbox u, and if u were small and fast he'd feed u the jab all night.
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Prime for prime??
1. Mike Tyson - I'm talking about 80's Tyson...... not 90's post prison Tyson. The loss of Cus D'Amato (who was basiclly Tyson's Dad and was without a doubt his mentor) absolutely destroyed "Iron," Mike.
2. Riddick Bowe - Again.... we're talking about fighters when they were at their absolute peak. Riddick Bowe on his "A," game was damn near unbeatable.
3. Wladmir Klitchko - He was very flawed a while back, but Manny polished out those flaws and turned Klitchko into a monster. When you have a guy that big that has been blessed with so many physical attributes, and turn him into one of the most technically sound heavyweights in ages..... then you have an all time great.
4. Lennox Lewis - Another guy that was physically gifted but flawed......... until Manny got to him
5. Evander Holyfield - Great fighter until he moved to heavyweight. Then when he hit heavyweight, he was just a bigger version of Arturo Gatti. Very exciting because his defensive plan was to just let guys punch him in the face, but ultimately..... he won a few big fights at HW but lost to far too many lackluster opponents.
I agree
if your going for consistency then lewis/holyfield will always get the vote. But tyson on his absoloute game was a vicious monster that probably would of had the likes of ali/louis/frazier etc eating canvas.
You cant train to get that kind of power in your shots, its just a natural gift that fighters like tyson/jones jr etc are born with!
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Wlad would annihilate the others easily.
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Wlad would annihilate the others easily.
Yes just like Saunders did to him ;)
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Wlad would annihilate the others easily.
Yes just like Saunders did to him ;)
The only Heavyweight Champ who didn't eventually get destroyed by someone else is Rocky Marciano.
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Wlad would annihilate the others easily.
Yes just like Saunders did to him ;)
The only Heavyweight Champ who didn't eventually get destroyed by someone else is Rocky Marciano.
Ever heard of Gene Tunney ??
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Holy could of beat any of those guys in there prime
Lewis & Tyson tied in my opinion for ability in their primes
Bowe
Wlad dosent have a shot in hell
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Wladimir is currently in his prime and yeah his loss to Sanders is a big issue to many folks but look his career was damn near over after the losses to Sanders and Brewster and he took on the toughest fighter in the division and beat the crap out of him and Sam Peter hasn't been the same since that loss.
Wlad has the ability to complete his game and be a great fighter but throwing him in with names like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson is a bit premature at this point in time....Wlad is only 31 years old and you have to figure he's got 10 or so big time fights left in him at the pace of 2 a year...I want to see #1 How he does in those fights and #2 Who he fights before I try and say if he beats anyone on that list. It's top company to be mentioned with though but I think Wlad's lack of a rival really hurts him....Chris Byrd and Lamon Brewster are about the closest things he's had to rivals.
I figure Lennox Lewis is the toughest on the list but also the must vulnerable as sometimes he wasn't able to get up for fights....sometimes he won anyway like vs Bruno but sometimes he got hammered like vs Rahman.
Riddick Bowe is the most flawed fighter...he would give up on his defense and give up his height and reach at points during a fight which would be devistating vs any of these guys in their primes.
Tyson was the weakest mentally and we saw what Holyfield could do to him...I don't see him doing well vs any of these guys in his prime.
1. Lewis
2. Holyfield
3. Bowe
4. Tyson
5. Wlad
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The Tyson from 1986-88 beats the hell out of all of them!
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Tyson would come out on top prime for prime
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Wladimir is currently in his prime and yeah his loss to Sanders is a big issue to many folks but look his career was damn near over after the losses to Sanders and Brewster and he took on the toughest fighter in the division and beat the crap out of him and Sam Peter hasn't been the same since that loss.
Wlad has the ability to complete his game and be a great fighter but throwing him in with names like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson is a bit premature at this point in time....Wlad is only 31 years old and you have to figure he's got 10 or so big time fights left in him at the pace of 2 a year...I want to see #1 How he does in those fights and #2 Who he fights before I try and say if he beats anyone on that list. It's top company to be mentioned with though but I think Wlad's lack of a rival really hurts him....Chris Byrd and Lamon Brewster are about the closest things he's had to rivals.
I figure Lennox Lewis is the toughest on the list but also the must vulnerable as sometimes he wasn't able to get up for fights....sometimes he won anyway like vs Bruno but sometimes he got hammered like vs Rahman.
Riddick Bowe is the most flawed fighter...he would give up on his defense and give up his height and reach at points during a fight which would be devistating vs any of these guys in their primes.
Tyson was the weakest mentally and we saw what Holyfield could do to him...I don't see him doing well vs any of these guys in his prime.
1. Lewis
2. Holyfield
3. Bowe
4. Tyson
5. Wlad
How can anybody have Holyfield above Bowe?? They already fought when they were at their absolute best (Bowe vs. Holyfield 1) and Bowe beat him.
Bowe vs. Holyfield 2 - Bowe came in fat and looked like crap. Holyfield edged out a close, controversial decision.
Bowe vs. Holyfield 3 - Anybody who saw this fight knows that this wasn't Holyfield at his best. Bowe wins by TKO.
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Re: If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?
Well I put them in that order because on any day of the week Holyfield beats Tyson and at least gives Lewis and Bowe a good run for their money.
Riddick Bowe was a great fighter but only for an extremely short period of time and he was still flawed during those prime fights....Lewis whips him, Tyson may get to him, and Holyfield could hang with him he was by no means dominated in the first 2 fights.
Tyson was dangerous but Lewis could beat him, Holyfield dominated him, and Bowe had the style to beat him.
So Prime Lewis could have beat everyone on that list....Holyfield could beat all the guys on that list but DID lose to Bowe but he also beat Tyson twice....Bowe couldn't beat Lewis and did also lose to Holyfield and may have a close fight with Tyson but I could still see him losing that.
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Re: If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?
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Lyle
Well I put them in that order because on any day of the week Holyfield beats Tyson and at least gives Lewis and Bowe a good run for their money.
Riddick Bowe was a great fighter but only for an extremely short period of time and he was still flawed during those prime fights....Lewis whips him, Tyson may get to him, and Holyfield could hang with him he was by no means dominated in the first 2 fights.
Tyson was dangerous but Lewis could beat him, Holyfield dominated him, and Bowe had the style to beat him.
So Prime Lewis could have beat everyone on that list....Holyfield could beat all the guys on that list but DID lose to Bowe but he also beat Tyson twice....Bowe couldn't beat Lewis and did also lose to Holyfield and may have a close fight with Tyson but I could still see him losing that.
Good answer. Very similar order to mine except I had Holyfield top and Lewis second!
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Re: If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?
1. Lewis
2. Bowe
3. Holyfield
4. Tyson
5. Klitschko