Coxxyx

A wonderfull piece of your Anatomy where its situated in relation to the feet and headis everything in regards to punching and avoiding one, your thoughts.

Its your centre of Gravity bottom bit of the spine

It's all about balance really, and every movement in boxing depends upon it.

You can sort of get an idea of it by leaning two playing cards together. /\
-The point where the cards meet lies it's center of gravity, push against one card and the whole structure is off balance. This is just like when a boxer leans forward on their front leg, they lose their center of gravity. ;D

Its where your ears are in relation to the Coxxyx balanced by the big Toes ;D

Let me break this down. ;D

Your backfoot pushes off of your big toe, and your leading foot's big toe gives you direction while stablizing your body, catching your weight as your center of gravity is moved towards your opponent.

Your ears should be aligned with your coccyx, and so should your rear foot's big toe. If we keep this up then there isn't much that we can't do in, but if our feet is wrong then nothing will be right.

The feet should be the same distance from the Coxxyx. From there we can go anywhere in Balace,and keep good form to execute the next movement without to much effort and every joint will work as it should Biomechanicaly without having to correct itself, you can explode or evade

That covers it. :)

I have a quick question, if everything that we've been talking about is where it is supposed to be, would one's hips be in properly alignment?

Also chris the feet should be at 85 degree so the groin and lower back are relaxed so the response is qiucker and more Athletic.

The Hips should be level to balance the Head, knees same bend.

Otherwise theres to many muscles working to compensate rather than being used as they should to generate.

Funny as it seems :cool:, Its the same as when you go the toilet and sit down ready. Look at the angle of the feet and ask why that angle then understand which muscles are relaxed and why ;D.

Interesting thread Scrap!

My hips seem to go out every couple of months.

I'm obviously not doing something I should or I am doing something I shouldn't - probably both.

I am constantly amazed at how everything attached to my hips/coxxyx will be effected by it.

I'll have to spnd some more time re-reading this thread a few times I think!

I think my coxxyx has a tendency to tilt forward too much.

I think i remember reading somewhere that this is more common with women than men - so are knee problems because a high Q angle is common.

I think I remember something about high heels causing excessive calf tightness which pulls posture out of whack further up also being a common cause of this in women - but I don't wear high heels.

I only wear high heels if I'm going somewhere I know I'll be sitting down most of the night which is fortunate because I look like a constipated duck flapping around with my elbows out when I try to walk in high heels!

Another thought could be the contracted psoas muscle. Maybe I'm just expecting tight muscles to loosen off too easily?

I guess if you have tightness in particular muscle groups for years it probably takes years to fix sometimes too?

I'm getting the feeling I've missed something or multiple things which are key though! :confused:

Psoas muscle can be stretched in a matter of weeks Sharla and is a major player in this as regards posture. I promised you a stretch but things have made it difficult, Ive been up to my eyes in something Ill do it this week

Used to be a trick in Philidelphia where a fighte would get on the blind side an attempt to punch at the lowest point of the back or actually between the buttocks in attempting to rob the fighter of their legs.

Coincidence?

Coincidence Don, a correct angled Coxxyx keeps you level Headed and one of those thinks clearer its awareness levels are sharper and movement exact.

stop me if Ive told you this before ,no dont;D.

Years ago a new bouncer /door man got a hold of a local in the bar who refused to leave and was just giving cheek; He got him outside and gave him a bit of a beating to be gettingon with. Was in the Elsternwick hotel over here, there is a nice golf course just over the road.
The local thought I cant fight for nuts but fuk can I swing a club . So he got a no 1 wood and broke the thugs coxic off as he bent over to get in his car later that night.

Maybe golf is a sport :confused:.

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stop me if Ive told you this before ,no dont;D.

Years ago a new bouncer /door man got a hold of a local in the bar who refused to leave and was just giving cheek; He got him outside and gave him a bit of a beating to be gettingon with. Was in the Elsternwick hotel over here, there is a nice golf course just over the road.
The local thought I cant fight for nuts but fuk can I swing a club . So he got a no 1 wood and broke the thugs coxic off as he bent over to get in his car later that night.

Maybe golf is a sport :confused:.

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It might very well be, all it needs is competition, two guys outdoing each other by trying to beat the coccyx off of the other guy. Call the Olympics commitee. ;D

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Psoas muscle can be stretched in a matter of weeks Sharla and is a major player in this as regards posture. I promised you a stretch but things have made it difficult, Ive been up to my eyes in something Ill do it this week

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Thanks Scrap :)

That'll be awesome. I don't want to over-work you though so if you don't get a chance to do it I can wait.

The last search i did on psoas stretching was a while ago

I should really go back and see if there's anything I've missed and perhaps video myself doing the stretches I have to make sure I'm doing them properly before I pester you!

Andre - that story - ouch! :o

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Psoas muscle can be stretched in a matter of weeks Sharla and is a major player in this as regards posture. I promised you a stretch but things have made it difficult, Ive been up to my eyes in something Ill do it this week

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Thanks Scrap :)

That'll be awesome. I don't want to over-work you though so if you don't get a chance to do it I can wait.

The last search i did on psoas stretching was a while ago

I should really go back and see if there's anything I've missed and perhaps video myself doing the stretches I have to make sure I'm doing them properly before I pester you!

Andre - that story - ouch! :o

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If I'm not too busy I like to google anything to see if it correlates with what Scrap tells us.

There's a few stretches for the psoas muscle, one that you are familiar with from running, and another that I haven't tried before. Psoas Stretch
Psoas Hip Flexor Muscle Stretch

It's nice, but I'd like to see what Scrap has.

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The feet should be the same distance from the Coxxyx. From there we can go anywhere in Balace,and keep good form to execute the next movement without to much effort and every joint will work as it should Biomechanicaly without having to correct itself, you can explode or evade

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what about in my case where my left leg is 18" shorter than my right?

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Psoas muscle can be stretched in a matter of weeks Sharla and is a major player in this as regards posture. I promised you a stretch but things have made it difficult, Ive been up to my eyes in something Ill do it this week

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Thanks Scrap :)

That'll be awesome. I don't want to over-work you though so if you don't get a chance to do it I can wait.

The last search i did on psoas stretching was a while ago

I should really go back and see if there's anything I've missed and perhaps video myself doing the stretches I have to make sure I'm doing them properly before I pester you!

Andre - that story - ouch! :o

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If I'm not too busy I like to google anything to see if it correlates with what Scrap tells us.

There's a few stretches for the psoas muscle, one that you are familiar with from running, and another that I haven't tried before. Psoas Stretch
Psoas Hip Flexor Muscle Stretch

It's nice, but I'd like to see what Scrap has.

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Awesome thanks Chris! :) I've only looked at the first site so far but I haven't seen it before and it looks good so far!

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The feet should be the same distance from the Coxxyx. From there we can go anywhere in Balace,and keep good form to execute the next movement without to much effort and every joint will work as it should Biomechanicaly without having to correct itself, you can explode or evade

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what about in my case where my left leg is 18" shorter than my right?

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Interesting Q. I think this is a pretty common problem. A friend of mine has one leg longer than the other. My legs are the same length but I have one foot half a size bigger than the other.

I wonder what that actually does to my boxing stance? Something to think about anyway!

i walk at a 45degree angle. i look like the leaning tower of pepperoni pizza

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i walk at a 45degree angle. i look like the leaning tower of pepperoni pizza

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Do you do any stretches or hang on a bar etc to aleviate that?

If the Head is over 15 degrees past the Horizontal plain of the Coxxyx nothing works as it should and you are on your front foot. Not the best place to be when theres something coming the other way and being constricted..:o

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A wonderfull piece of your Anatomy where its situated in relation to the feet and headis everything in regards to punching and avoiding one, your thoughts.

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Hi Scrap (and all)

This is my first post on the forum, so let me start by saying I love this place, very informative forum with a lot of interesting discussion. I'm not a boxer, I practice a chinese/s.e.asian martial art, but I hope to start at a boxing gym in the near future (I have the greatest respect for boxing in the world)...

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in that within the context of chinese martial arts, there is a very direct relationship between the coccyx, the perineum, and the head (and the hips). One of the skills we work on is being able to tell when someone does not have the coccyx oriented properly, and then taking advantage of it.

It's really interesting to hear that this focus exists in boxing as well. I've always thought of the coccyx being off as being the reason why it's easy to pull or throw an opponent, but now that you say it, I can see how it could be used for punching as well...

Great stuff!

-Ben

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Originally Posted by Scrap

A wonderfull piece of your Anatomy where its situated in relation to the feet and headis everything in regards to punching and avoiding one, your thoughts.

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Hi Scrap (and all)

This is my first post on the forum, so let me start by saying I love this place, very informative forum with a lot of interesting discussion. I'm not a boxer, I practice a chinese/s.e.asian martial art, but I hope to start at a boxing gym in the near future (I have the greatest respect for boxing in the world)...

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in that within the context of chinese martial arts, there is a very direct relationship between the coccyx, the perineum, and the head (and the hips). One of the skills we work on is being able to tell when someone does not have the coccyx oriented properly, and then taking advantage of it.

It's really interesting to hear that this focus exists in boxing as well. I've always thought of the coccyx being off as being the reason why it's easy to pull or throw an opponent, but now that you say it, I can see how it could be used for punching as well...

Great stuff!

-Ben

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Interesting Ben thanks :) - can you elaborate on some of the signals or clues you might look for to tell whether or not your opponent's coccyx is off?

Hi Sharla,

There are a lot of different types of signals to look for. These are the ones most relevant to boxing (the ones you can look for before you close with your opponent)

If your opponent shuffles in or out (or any time they step) watch how they land. If they land "solid" that means their ankle/knee/hip are all open correctly. If you see a very slight rock or wobble onto either the heel or the toe that means they're correcting for a problem (usually the coccyx).

It can be very slight.

Look at their neck for signs of muscular tension (this should be easier with boxers than with overweight martial artists :) ). If their stance is correct, the chin should be slightly tucked to extend/stretch the spine. This should relax the muscles around the neck. If you see little ropy muscles (like what you'd see if you were clenching your teeth or tugging your head to one side or the other) they're compensating.

Lastly, look to see if they are hunching. If someone hunches they tend to overtuck the coccyx. Not always, especially if you look at sambo and greco roman guys, but otherwise it's you can usuall count on some overtucking.

These are the easiest signs to explain on a messageboard. Most of the training we do to feel the structure is after contact has been made. If the ideas I wrote about up there don't make sense, I can try to explain the heart of the idea from our perspective. I tried finding a good example on youtube to show you, but it's hard to explain without being able to demonstrate...

-Ben

Welcome benfish to Saddos, and thank you for adding to topics you know and understand.

I haven't as yet jumped in this thread, but have been following, largely because where I am at in my boxing experience, while I do find such things of interest....I feel this type of thought while intriguing and important, when fighting or sparring, I might find myself pondering them...and getting knocked on my ass. lol

So I enjoy adding about that what I know...which is limited, and reading about that which I do not.

Again, welcome. :)

Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it ;D

Oh and great post Ben fish

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Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it ;D

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I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound). :cool:

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Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it ;D

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I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound). :cool:

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I had a hard workout today Scrap, stretching, a lot of core work and warm up padwork and skipping. Have a run planned for tonight. I will give this a go tomorrow at the gym. Thanks!

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Hi Sharla,

There are a lot of different types of signals to look for. These are the ones most relevant to boxing (the ones you can look for before you close with your opponent)

If your opponent shuffles in or out (or any time they step) watch how they land. If they land "solid" that means their ankle/knee/hip are all open correctly. If you see a very slight rock or wobble onto either the heel or the toe that means they're correcting for a problem (usually the coccyx).

It can be very slight.

Look at their neck for signs of muscular tension (this should be easier with boxers than with overweight martial artists :) ). If their stance is correct, the chin should be slightly tucked to extend/stretch the spine. This should relax the muscles around the neck. If you see little ropy muscles (like what you'd see if you were clenching your teeth or tugging your head to one side or the other) they're compensating.

Lastly, look to see if they are hunching. If someone hunches they tend to overtuck the coccyx. Not always, especially if you look at sambo and greco roman guys, but otherwise it's you can usuall count on some overtucking.

These are the easiest signs to explain on a messageboard. Most of the training we do to feel the structure is after contact has been made. If the ideas I wrote about up there don't make sense, I can try to explain the heart of the idea from our perspective. I tried finding a good example on youtube to show you, but it's hard to explain without being able to demonstrate...

-Ben

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Awesome Benfish - i've got a lot to think about there and i'll try to keep it in mind and see what i can spot just with the people around me i guess! f you ever do find a vid I'd be really interested in watching it! :)

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Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it ;D

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Scrap i was in a gym for a while which taught a sort of skip for footwork with the double jab rather than 2 steps. Is this wrong - an adaption just to make up for the fact that many of us have our coccyx out or jsut a different technique?

Sharla I dont understand to be honest ;D

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Sharla I dont understand to be honest ;D

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Well the fact that you don't know what I mean probably isn't a good sign for what i was taught with the skip/shuffle footwork for the double jab.

I'll have to think about how I can better explain myself and try again when I'm not sleep deprived and actually have some communicative ability!

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]Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it ;D[/b]

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I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound). :cool:

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I had a hard workout today Scrap, stretching, a lot of core work and warm up padwork and skipping. Have a run planned for tonight. I will give this a go tomorrow at the gym. Thanks!

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Ha Scrap. That is a cool test of balance. I am okay, but I tried throwing several ways to see what you meant, and if you are slightly off balance...you cannot step forward with your left foot after you throw the second jab, period...without landing on your face! :)

I purposefully over extended just a little to figure out what you were getting at. ;)

Owned A lot of the time its hard for describing some of these things, Im more a Hands on type. Sharla on the stretches theres a couple of good ones for your problem in fact three or four when you come over we will sort you out a routine. ;D

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Owned A lot of the time its hard for describing some of these things, Im more a Hands on type. Sharla on the stretches theres a couple of good ones for your problem in fact three or four when you come over we will sort you out a routine. ;D

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Scrap, you know I am YOUNGBLOOD, right? lol I lost a bet on the Cotto/Margarito fight and have to wear this silly name for one week. But is that what you were talking about? When off balance throwing the double jab, I could not step forward with my left foot at all?

Yes mate, Oral stability is lost and the falt goes through the body. Have you seen the tread on fast Hands theres a technique there which Ive been working on for sometime its a Blinder. People cant grasp the context of it until they try it, then they try it and it solves all there problems and they are gobsmacked wish I could pattent it, ;D.