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I think it will probably be a convincing decision for Pavlik but I would not be suprised to see a knockout. Hopkins has the best chin ever for 160 and probably the best active chin with the likes of Andrade and Zurtuche. I would like to see a decision for Hopkins sake to retire on a split loss. But for Pavlik's legacy I would like him to knock him out to let Joe C know what he is facing.
I`ve heard so many names mentioned with Kelly in the last few weeks, I`ll believe it when I see it in ink. I`m not that excited about this fight if it happens though...rather see him fight someone younger.
I hope Pavlik crushes him. I voted for Pavlik by KO, but its probably more wishfull thinking on my part.
Dangerous fight for Pavlik but after some thought a good choice of opponent since he is not choosing to defend at middleweight. Kelly is preparing himself to step up divisions. He'll get a real chance to see if the power follows him as the weight gains and who better to test that than B-Hop, arguably the best chin in the business. If Kelly knocks him out than it will be interesting to see if Calzaghe keeps his word and fights Pavlik.
I'm a total Pavlik fan, and I've never liked Hopkins' fighting style. Also, I think Pavlik would have an easier time with Hopkins than with Calzaghe.
But Pavlik by KO? Honestly, when has Hopkins ever lost by, or been in danger of losing by KO? This is one of the most veteran, wily, crafty fighters ever to lace up gloves... or at least in these last couple of decades.
I think Pavlik would win an easy decision.
And in this bout yet another fighter has trouble catching and hitting Hopkins, but puts in the work and clips Hopkins often enough to win on points. Hopkins realises he's actually an old man, and it wasn't just Calzaghe who was too fast for him, and goes home to relax from then on on a lovely pension and the occasional fishing trip on a boat.
Tough fight for Pavlik, here are a few pointers that point to a tough terrible fight:
Size: Hopkins is 6 1" Pavlik 6 2" Hopkins also has a 1" reach on Kelly.
Weight: Hopkins has had 3 fights above 160lbs he schooled Tarver, soundly beat Wright and lost a close fight to Calzaghe. Pavlik fought once at 166lbs won a razor thin dec over Taylor didnt look as powerful at the weight.
Experiance: Pavlik whilst having fought Taylor will not have fought a beast like Hopkins. Pavlik is a combination of Glenn Johnson and Howard Eastman.
Speed: Neither man uses speed although Hopkins has a faster lead right
Power: Goes to Pavlik, not sure if he can hurt Hopkins at 170lbs he doesnt have one punch power but works well to the body and area were Calzaghe had good sucsess.
Footwork: Hopkins all the way, if Calzaghe with his superb footwork was shut down by Hopkins the straight foward Pavlik will be wrapped up like an octopus.
All in all this is a tough fight Pavliks work rate will become a trickle Hopkins WILL shut him down he doesnt bounce in and out.
Pavlik tough pts win but i wouldnt be supprised if Hopkins stole and sneaked it.
I still think the weight might be an issue and the size of Hopkins also makes this a tough fight.
Expect lots of holding, headbutting infact it will look similar to the Calzaghe fight.
I expect Pavlik to win a close SD/UD with Hopkins making him look bad.
Hopkins could win this fight though.
No way does Pavlik stop Hopkins.
I voted Pavlik by Ko, Give the Devil's it due. Hopkins is a All Time Great, But with age and a one punch at a time deficit , Pavlik should take him out around the late mid rounds.
The more I think about this fight, the more I see Kelly taking it to prove a point. I honestly don't think it is a good fight for him, and would rather he fought someone else. And although Kelly Pavlik is a classy guy, like any boxer I think he has his pride. Sure it'll be a paycheck...but so would many other people, but I think the Calzaghe camp may have upset him. And I believe he thinks he can beat Bernard, and soundly.
That would send a message to the Calzaghe camp wouldn't it? Lockett was a message. Even if they didn't accept the message, it was there. Hopkins I think can give Kelly a good fight, and once again we may see a frustrating match for he is wily and smart.
If it happens I think it is more about pride then about wise planning. If it happens I'll root for Kelly, for I like him...he's my guy. But I'll be concerned about Hopkins. He showed up to fight against Joe and nearly won, and he will show up I believe to win once again against Kelly.
But yea...all this talk is making my head spin...let's see some ink!
Again... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
Same here I want proof. Soooo much gossip around and not just concerning who Pavlic is fighting but ODLH, Hatton, Pac Man......I get tired of reading it because you get exited then find out its bollocks so many times that you find it hard to be exited when a fight HAS been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Intelligent PressureQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAgain... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
Which..... of course, Hopkins has never seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoyIntelligent PressureQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAgain... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
:rolleyes:
I hope this fight doesnt happen. In my opinion, its a no win for Kelly.
Hopkins has the craftiness, (and dirty-ness) to steal a win here by boring decision and possibly upset Pavlik's momentum.
If Kelly wins, then it was against a washed up B-Hop who recently lost to Joe Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor. The credibility for the win disappears due to Hopkins age and string of losses.
If Kelly loses, and it would most likely be because of a tactically nightmarish borefest points loss, well there goes his 0, there goes his momentum, here come the naysayers and it may be well undeserved.
Much like James Toney, Hopkins is capable of upsetting anyone on a given night, but I daresay its not because he's the better fighter or the guy that deserves to win. These old school fighers are simply saavy enough to get the job done in the end, no matter how ugly.
I would like to see Pavlik go another direction. Abraham most definitely.
I know Calzaghe fans do not want to see a Pavlik knockout of a 12 thrashing since Hopkins lost to the judges agianst Calkzaghe and that would discredit Calzaghe.
Pavlik by KO
I voted for PAV winning by deciosn because of his unrelenting pressure and power but this certainly is not soemthing new to Bernard. I am worried on this one. Hopefully Hopkins old legs will show come fight time;D
If it happens, I go for Pavlik by late stoppage, the old man eventually slowing down enough from the 8th on.
I think the reason people are thinking it can be a KO is because Hopkins is obviously at the end of his career and if it's going to happen at any point, it will probably happen now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAgain... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
I think Pavlik's camp is going this direction because if they beat Hopkins more decisively than Calzaghe did, there's no way Joe can hide from him. If they do, then he will be criticized heavily for ducking Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas
I agree if Hopkins wins, which he definitely can, Pavlik's career may be in danger. This is a high risk, somewhat high reward fight if you ask me. More credit to Pavlik for taking it.
Caleoh 12 you might be the best and smartest poster in here. You can read into a situation, break it down and give us the outcome and what it will become all in one. You really help out the retards like me. Thanks buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12I think the reason people are thinking it can be a KO is because Hopkins is obviously at the end of his career and if it's going to happen at any point, it will probably happen now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAgain... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
I think Pavlik's camp is going this direction because if they beat Hopkins more decisively than Calzaghe did, there's no way Joe can hide from him. If they do, then he will be criticized heavily for ducking Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas
I agree if Hopkins wins, which he definitely can, Pavlik's career may be in danger. This is a high risk, somewhat high reward fight if you ask me. More credit to Pavlik for taking it.
There's not much to read into, Hopkins throws one punch at a time... He was looking for a way out against Calzaghe(Low Blows=Oscar Award) He is old and gets tired, Could had lost to Wright. Pavlik will knock the Bastard out.
Pavliks power is overated. ;)
people are forgetting this fight isn't at 160.
Ask his last last 5 opponets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
At Middleweight I think Pavlik wins.
Higher and the old grizzly bear will get him.
Hopkins all the way for me. Especially above 160.
Pavlik by decision, but not as easy as some might think.
Hopefully, then if JC beats RJJ t can set up a last fight between the two.
That will give JC the chance to smash him and cement his legacy:)
yeah those fights were at 160 besides one which was at 166 which actually went the distance. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Ask his last last 5 opponets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Yeah good point's but I ALWAYS get nervous when fighters and thier "People" start looking at the fight AFTER this one. It always spells disatster. On ESPN it says Pavlik is not thrilled about the fight, the quote seemingly form Bob Arum is "Kelly isn't thrilled with the fight, but one of the incentives he has is that if he's going to fight Calzaghe after Calzaghe fights Roy Jones, it will be 168 pounds anyway. So it gets him ready for that fight." I hate it when they take a fight but are looking at another.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12I think the reason people are thinking it can be a KO is because Hopkins is obviously at the end of his career and if it's going to happen at any point, it will probably happen now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAgain... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
I think Pavlik's camp is going this direction because if they beat Hopkins more decisively than Calzaghe did, there's no way Joe can hide from him. If they do, then he will be criticized heavily for ducking Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas
I agree if Hopkins wins, which he definitely can, Pavlik's career may be in danger. This is a high risk, somewhat high reward fight if you ask me. More credit to Pavlik for taking it.
OK, who's the joker who said Hopkins by KO?
At this point in his long and storied career Hopkins can't win at the upper echelon of boxing, but he will always be able to make it an awkward night for whomever he's in against and make it a muddy event for judges to score. This will be a test for Pavlik as he's more used to kayoing opponents as opposed to not and this is one guy he should definitely not be planning on putting down for a ten count. Also, Hopkins is dangerous in a way Taylor is not in that he's not above bending the rules with headbutts and things of that nature to get Pavlik off his game. He doesn't have one-punch KO power by if Hopkins turns it on he can wear you down. But the likelihood is he'll throw 2-3 punches per round and cruise to an awkward loss.
In think this is a crap matchup and I really have no interest in seeing Hopkins fight again. I just hope Pavlik can flatten Hopkins once and for all. Maybe that will hit the message home. He's become such a bore and not even a technician, but a bore.
Well yes - Pavlik is what? 26 and Hopkins in his 40's. Pavlik is in his prime and Hopkins in his ------- I don't know. Pavlik will only benefit in $$$$$ as i guess hopkins will too since it's not a title fight why should Pavlik take it if not for the $$$. It won't add to his legacy if he wins fighting a 40 + fighter when he's 26 and in his prime fighting a guy well past it. The whole thing about Kelly Pavlik has been fighting the best for legit titles and not taking easy fights and that's what is good about him. Now he's taking on a guy who is well past it (Sorry Bernard) compared to a 26 year old and for no title.......... Seems to be a departure from the Kelly "Thing" for me to take this fight.
I would not say Pavlik has hit his prime yet.
A little while ago alot of people we're talking about Joe Calzaghe being just too experienced for Pavlik at this stage of his career and it would be horribly wrong if Pavlik took on the Welshman. I am one of the people who thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe. Now people are coming out of the trees talking about when Pavlik K.O.'s Hopkins, or dominates Hopkins, it's going to send a clear picture to Calzaghe, he's the real deal and bla bla bla.
Oct 18, school is in session Pavlik.;)
Yep Graduate School and Hopkins will be put into RetirementQuote:
Originally Posted by death
After Hopkins gets this L he should hang them up. There will be nothing more for him to do. Unless--unless--if Antonio Tarver should beat Chad Dawson then Hopkins could demand a rematch with him, mop him up and then go away. Oh and another bout with RJJ wouldn't be bad.
That was funny.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoyYep Graduate School and Hopkins will be put into RetirementQuote:
Originally Posted by death
The only postive thing i see regarding this match up is if Kelly Pavlik can KO Hopkins then he can say beat Hopkins more impressively and it might set up Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe but say if Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr both win ? then we will see Roy Jones Jr vs Bernard Hopkins rematch believe it or not it could happen.
The more and more I keep looking at this fight I see Pavliks never ending gas tank and power catching up to Hopkins age. I see stoppage on Hopkins feet. No Cortez please. Give me Smoger
Steve Smoger 08
I can see the HBO adds all ready for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ssss
" A hip breaker for Sure"
" The rest home Vendetta"
" A rumble in the retirement Home"
" No potty breaks allowed"
" The depends are off "
I wonder if there will be a wheel chair rap to get them in the ring.