Roach Laid out the Plan! After DLH we'll take hatton or Floyd!!!

Exclusive Interview: Freddie Roach

Roach is so confident Pac will win over DLH he doesn't even want to talk about losing.

If hatton lose to Mallinaggi. They will call Floyd instead.

Roach wants Pac to be at the the top of the ATG list.

When is he going to take on the Sugar Ray Robinson clone???? :rolleyes:



Manny Pacquiao's next fight is versus Jesus.....not he's not Mexican we're talking about the real Jesus Christ Son of God


You Pac fans are overdoing it....I might end up disliking him because of this

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolh aha::lolhaha:

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When is he going to take on the Sugar Ray Robinson clone???? :rolleyes:



Manny Pacquiao's next fight is versus Jesus.....not he's not Mexican we're talking about the real Jesus Christ Son of God


You Pac fans are overdoing it....I might end up disliking him because of this

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I'm already there. I was there after watching clips of his movie.

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When is he going to take on the Sugar Ray Robinson clone???? :rolleyes:



Manny Pacquiao's next fight is versus Jesus.....not he's not Mexican we're talking about the real Jesus Christ Son of God


You Pac fans are overdoing it....I might end up disliking him because of this

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Know what? You took the words right out of my mouth. Not that I'll end up disliking Pac (it's not his fault that some of his fans are annoying)...... but I may do the unthinkable for me.

I may just root for Oscar de la Hoya.

:-X :-X

Hoya-PAC negotiations may finally fail primarily due to Hoya taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc.).

Fans/boxing people also not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Hoya. They see this as a total freak show.

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Hoya-PAC negotiations may finally fail primarily due to Hoya taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc.).

Fans/boxing people also not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Hoya. They see this as a total freak show.

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...maybe we're right.....maybe we're right


I don't doubt Pac's skill....I doubt his size

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Hoya-PAC negotiations may finally fail primarily due to Hoya taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc.).

Fans/boxing people also not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Hoya. They see this as a total freak show.

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It will not fail!!!

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Hoya-PAC negotiations may finally fail primarily due to Hoya taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc.).

Fans/boxing people also not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Hoya. They see this as a total freak show.

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...maybe we're right.....maybe we're right


I don't doubt Pac's skill....I doubt his size

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Size was already proven many times that it's not the only factor. Valuev-Chagaev, Ruiz-Roy Jones, Hoya-PBF, etc. It's already proven long time ago with biblical proportions, David vs. Goliath.

But maybe you're right, PAC has no chance at all against DelaHoya...

:Bannanalick:Do you ever plan on posting on anything other than Pac or is he the only boxer you like??

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Hoya-PAC negotiations may finally fail primarily due to Hoya taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc.).

Fans/boxing people also not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Hoya. They see this as a total freak show.

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...maybe we're right.....maybe we're right


I don't doubt Pac's skill....I doubt his size

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Size was already proven many times that it's not the only factor. Valuev-Chagaev, Ruiz-Roy Jones, Hoya-PBF, etc. It's already proven long time ago with biblical proportions, David vs. Goliath.

But maybe you're right, PAC has no chance at all against DelaHoya...

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Well....... technically he's got two chances:

SLIM and NONE.

;D

Well I hate to tell you but it's been proven the other way a lot more often.

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:Bannanalick:Do you ever plan on posting on anything other than Pac or is he the only boxer you like??

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My post is mostly about PAC but I did posted other boxing topics. Maybe you haven't read them.

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My post is mostly about PAC but I did posted other boxing topics. Maybe you haven't read them.

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I didnt mean you saddoboxer. I know you post lots of good stuff. :)

I was talking to pacdbest2 and i was half joking, half serious.

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...maybe we're right.....maybe we're right


I don't doubt Pac's skill....I doubt his size

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Size was already proven many times that it's not the only factor. Valuev-Chagaev, Ruiz-Roy Jones, Hoya-PBF, etc. It's already proven long time ago with biblical proportions, David vs. Goliath.

But maybe you're right, PAC has no chance at all against DelaHoya...

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Well....... technically he's got two chances:

SLIM and NONE.

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I agree with SLIM but NONE is unimaginable.

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Well I hate to tell you but it's been proven the other way a lot more often.

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I agree, bigger guys win most of the time but totally writing off PAC is unimaginable..

Let me address the thread title.

If anything, it should be Hatton first, THEN Oscar.... if you go by size. However, seeing as to how Oscar is saying this is his last fight, I can see where the roach wants to throw his fighter in the ring with him right away. It'll mean $$$$$ for Pacquaio, which of course translates into $$$ for the roach. But is it in Manny's best interests? Hell no.

Aside from that, saying that "after DLH we'll take Hatton or PBF" sounds like the maniacal rantings of a money-hungry idiot, which is precisely the way I'm starting to view the roach.

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Well I hate to tell you but it's been proven the other way a lot more often.

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I agree, bigger guys win most of the time but totally writing off PAC is unimaginable..

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When he's jumping up in weight to fight a guy who started his career fighting where Pac is right now??? Oscar has only been KO'd ONCE and that was by a middleweight!

What is Pac going to do to Oscar? Is he going to outbox him? I don't think so!

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I agree, bigger guys win most of the time but totally writing off PAC is unimaginable..

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When he's jumping up in weight to fight a guy who started his career fighting where Pac is right now??? Oscar has only been KO'd ONCE and that was by a middleweight!

What is Pac going to do to Oscar? Is he going to outbox him? I don't think so!

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Most of those who give PAC no chance against Hoya said that PAC's punches will have no effect on the bigger Hoya. Let's say if those same punches that PAC landed on Diaz' head lands on Hoya's head, it will have no effect? Of course PAC will have a very difficult task of landing something clean on Hoya's head, let's just assume that he can land some and analyze if it will have no effect at all.

Why are people giving Manny Pacquiao no chance ? i don't think people realize is that when Manny Pacquiao was fighting at the lower weight classes he was young at that wasn't nowhere near his natural weight.......

Manny Pacquiao is round about 145 pounds right ? and i seem to remember Steve Forbes who had been at Super Featherweight/Lightweight for majority of his career and was obviously not a natural Welterweight and had no punching power......

Giving Oscar De La Hoya a good argument and even busted up his face somewhat and remember no one gave Steve Forbes a hope in hell of making it 12 rounds with Oscar De La Hoya let alone giving him a good argument......

So i fail to see why Manny Pacquiao has no chance in this fight ?

come on guys just from watching the diaz fight that should let you know as pac man goes up in weight his punching power is not as effective diaz took pac man's best shoots for i think 9 rounds. so to think he's going to knock oscar or be major effective is crazy when, oscar has only been droped once by a bigger man also oscars deffence is on point. also y do pac man fans talk about him like he's never been beat.

This is the stupid way of boxing right now..... It's either prime fighters avoiding each other month after month, year after year because the money isn't there, or it's big power/money hungry fights being thrown together, with little regard for whether fans even want the fight...

Manny's got fans all over the world.. And even though most of them are giving him a shot (hell, they'd give him a shot against a Tyson comeback), VERY few of them really want this fight. Or see it as the best step for Manny..... The only sense of it is to throw him in for the money and the fame of going against a much bigger opponent who happens to be an all time great...

In that respect, it is a freak show... There are much better ways I feel of managing Manny's career where he can still go down as one of the best...

Will there big gamble pay off??? Part of me hopes not, to show the power hungry fools behind this out of control speeding race car, that some sense is needed, even in this crazy high tech world of today where it seems like anything is possible,,,, as long as there is enough money involved....

People wanna make there money let them its their ass on the line. But, they should at least say I'm fighting him to make the most moeny available. In the case of oscar well thats clearly obvious, fighting the much smaller man who happens to be a very popular fighter. But for PAc he and Roach are saying its not just about the money that oscars a legend he wants to go down in history as the greatest asian/boxer of all time...you wanna go down in history??? Then fight Cotto or Margarito that way you can go down in history as the dumb flip who thought he walked on water and died in the ring from a jab from Margo or a hook to the body from Cotto.

Just be honest is all im saying...oh and my girlfriend's a Pinay, just a joke abou the flip comment, I love Manny I will miss him when he dies.

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Exclusive Interview: Freddie Roach

Roach is so confident Pac will win over DLH he doesn't even want to talk about losing.

If hatton lose to Mallinaggi. They will call Floyd instead.

Roach wants Pac to be at the the top of the ATG list.

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Looks like Roach Parkinson's might be more advanced than he thought. After Pac gets massacred against Oscar he will be ruined as a fighter.

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Exclusive Interview: Freddie Roach

Roach is so confident Pac will win over DLH he doesn't even want to talk about losing.

If hatton lose to Mallinaggi. They will call Floyd instead.

Roach wants Pac to be at the the top of the ATG list.

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Looks like Roach Parkinson's might be more advanced than he thought. After Pac gets massacred against Oscar he will be ruined as a fighter.

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It's bad to bring up Roach's ailment he got by giving fans good boxing fights in the past... I have to neg rep you on this...

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Exclusive Interview: Freddie Roach

Roach is so confident Pac will win over DLH he doesn't even want to talk about losing.

If hatton lose to Mallinaggi. They will call Floyd instead.

Roach wants Pac to be at the the top of the ATG list.

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Looks like Roach Parkinson's might be more advanced than he thought. After Pac gets massacred against Oscar he will be ruined as a fighter.

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It's bad to bring up Roach's ailment he got by giving fans good boxing fights in the past... I have to neg rep you on this...

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You got a better reason for Roach trying to kill Pac by filling his head with nonsense?

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Looks like Roach Parkinson's might be more advanced than he thought. After Pac gets massacred against Oscar he will be ruined as a fighter.

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It's bad to bring up Roach's ailment he got by giving fans good boxing fights in the past... I have to neg rep you on this...

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You got a better reason for Roach trying to kill Pac by filling his head with nonsense?

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You don't have to blame it to Roach Parkinsons disease if something bad will happen to PAC in the Oscar fight. You have to realize that boxers risked their lives inside the ring in every fight. There's always that risk in each single fight.

PAC is in his prime and he knows what he can take or not. He's also aware that his taking a bigger risk in the Oscar fight.

So please don't blame it on Roach's disease which actually he got also from boxing...

This is an interesting thread to bump up about how everyone thought PAC Man would lose to Golden Boy.

Hah hah, GREAT BUMP!!

Look at all the "experts" here!

I'll let you all know that I did in fact make the right call at a different forum, and I put up with a $#!tstorm of naysayers over at $#!tdog who all later had to eat crow and admit I was right. I think I even called the rd that time.

For sure. I was one of the people who thought Pac never had a chance.

It turned out later Roach had some inside info on DLH not being able to pull the trigger anymore. I think the weight cut really killed him, too. Fighters just don't cut down to their prime weights when they are at the end of their careers.It's too much.

I may not have said it in this thread but I definately said Pac had no chance in another thread. I was genuinely stunned watching the fight.

Found my old $#!tdog post, dated 09-30-2008, 10:39 PM. :)

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"5′ 6½″, 29 year old Super-Featherweight (130 lbs) at the peak of his powers.
5′ 10½″, 35 year old Light-Middleweight (154 lbs) is past his best and slowed down quite a bit.
Ultimately Manny wins no matter what happens on fight night.

Also, nobody has mentioned De La Hoya was KNOCKED DOWN early in his career by 130 lb Giorgio Campanella and also knocked down by 5'5" 133 lb Narciso Valenzuela.

Oscar was green then in '93 and '94, but some Pacman-sized guys still had him down, and they were nothing like the caliber of the Pacman.

YouTube - OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS NARCISO VALENZUELA

Good post there, Cracky, the one about it being a "lose-lose fight" for De La Hoya.

I still think it's an interesting fight.
I really don't think De La Hoya could be competitive with Cotto nor Margarito anymore.
He can't beat Shane Mosely. There's no mega-fight at 154. He'd get slaughtered at Middleweight.
Hatton's the only other guy. De La Hoya will only take a big name now.


I think Pacquiao's going to win this fight.
De La Hoya has a puncher's chance, but one good solid left from Oscar is all it would take to KO Pacquiao.

De La Hoya hasn't been at 147 lbs in over 7 years. He'll be drained from training camp, dehydration, and age. His reflexes are gone. He's never had a good right hand. He's fighting a south-paw.
8 oz gloves as Manny wanted. Helluva a size differential, but Manny's in his prime fighting a much bigger but also a slower and older fighter. I think Manny's going to light him up with speed, combinations, and sheer energy.
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De La Hoya hasn't been at 147 lbs in over 7 years. He'll be drained from training camp, dehydration, and age. His reflexes are gone. He's never had a good right hand. He's fighting a south-paw.
8 oz gloves as Manny wanted. Helluva a size differential, but Manny's in his prime fighting a much bigger but also a slower and older fighter. I think Manny's going to light him up with speed, combinations, and sheer energy.
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Right you were.

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People wanna make there money let them its their ass on the line. But, they should at least say I'm fighting him to make the most moeny available. In the case of oscar well thats clearly obvious, fighting the much smaller man who happens to be a very popular fighter. But for PAc he and Roach are saying its not just about the money that oscars a legend he wants to go down in history as the greatest asian/boxer of all time...you wanna go down in history??? Then fight Cotto or Margarito that way you can go down in history as the dumb flip who thought he walked on water and died in the ring from a jab from Margo or a hook to the body from Cotto.

Just be honest is all im saying...oh and my girlfriend's a Pinay, just a joke abou the flip comment, I love Manny I will miss him when he dies.

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Wow, reflection comes in odd places. I cant believe Im having an epiphany on a boxing forum.

I cant believe my post here. I'm actually very embarrassed by it, not because Manny beat up everyone I mentioned but because of the racial slur I used to describe him. I've read some of my past posts before and I can see why I didn't get along with a lot posters on here. I was a straight dickhead and this post really showcases that to myself.

My apologies to anyone I may have offended back in the day.

Happy New Year.

Ahah hah, look at all the humbled folks tryin' to let this thread sink to the bottom and to page 2 as quick as possible, hopin' nobody'll comment thereby bumping it back to the top...

http://i47.tinypic.com/2111ilj.jpg


Almost nobody wants to own up to it and admit just how completely off-base they were...

http://i53.tinypic.com/4gvlx.jpg

Let's hear it, $#!t-snaps, the sound of people swallowing their pride!
Don't be ashamed, you're all fortunate to have had a true Ring-Legend in your time:
Manny PacMan Pacquiao.
A legitimate All-Time Great.

As a barometer for comparison, when I was a young dude, we had the Great fighters of the early 1980s. I think Pacquiao's the Greatest fighter of the past 25 years.
Circa mid 2008-2010, that dude was in The Zone. Phenomenal run.

But even before that unbelievable period, he had already done enough circa 2003-early 2008 to earn a place in the Hall-of-Fame with the 3 Erik Morales fights, the 2 Barrera fights, and the first 2 Marquez fights.

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/2529/pacman8ozreyesfl6.jpg

I also noticed that i wrote Pac off in this fight too, and wrote him off after Jmm kayoed him. Made me wonder he might just get his revenge vs Bradley and hey maybe even give Mayweather the toughest fight of his life. When all is said and done Pac will be remembered as the most exciting price fighter of all time and the most humble too.

As weak as ODH was, Manny was on fire and went on a great run of victories beating quality fighter after quality fighter. Floyd definitely got intimidated by it.