Boxing: Calzaghe dismisses Pavlik talk

WELSH boxing king Joe Calzaghe has dismissed accusations he is running scared of Kelly Pavlik and insisted his bout with American legend Roy Jones Jnr will be his last.
The 36-year-old accused double world middleweight champion Pavlik of trying to gain publicity off the Calzaghe name after the highly-rated American claimed he would have to shoot the unbeaten Newbridge fighter in the leg to stop him running from a potential fight.
Calzaghe yesterday confirmed his intention to retire after November’s fight with Jones Jnr, despite speculation he could fight on.
And the Ring Magazine light-heavyweight and WBO super-middleweight champion revealed Pavlik had twice turned down the opportunity to face him earlier in his career.
“I pay no attention. I hear the same stuff all the time and it’s a bit of a joke.
“We tried to get Pavlik to fight me after the Jeff Lacy fight and he declined it because he wanted to fight for the middleweight title.
“And I think we asked him again after he won the title, but he declined again.
“I think he is possibly just trying to get publicity off the back of me.
“Obviously. everyone wants a pay day, but he will have to go and find it somewhere else.
“This guy has just started and you can’t talk about him as a great fighter because to be that you have to fight great names and reign for a long time, which he has not done.
“Roy Jones is a legend, and that is the difference,” a confident Calzaghe said.
Pavlik will face Calzaghe’s last victim, American veteran Bernard Hopkins, in Atlantic City just weeks before the “Italian dragon” takes his final lucrative bow against the legendary Jones Jnr at Madison Square Garden, New York on November 8.
And fighting at boxing’s most historic venue against one of the sport’s most decorated warriors has proved a major factor in motivating Calzaghe to lace up his gloves for one last battle.
“I’ve achieved everything I wanted to achieve. The one thing that is missing is to fight at Madison Square Garden.
“I’m fighting one of the best fighters of the last 20 years at the mecca of boxing.
“There is no way I am going to get beaten in my last fight. To go down in history as an undefeated world champion means so much to me.”
Calzaghe will begin what he claims will be his final three-month training regime under the guidance of father Enzo on Monday morning after recovering from the wrist injury that saw the fight postponed from September.
If this fight is to be Calzaghe’s swansong, then the man who has crafted his son’s boxing skills is determined nothing will be left to chance.
“This last fight is more important than his first fight.
“He will not be taking any chances because I won’t allow it. This fight is his dream and without it I don’t think he would have been fulfilled,” Enzo said.



If they both win, The fight is a must. But I would like to see him fight Abraham also.

Personally as much as i would love Pavlik to behead Calzaghe , id rather he cleaned up to MW division , Kelly has loads of time to cement his legacy , Calzaghe is talking BIG now cos he wasted his chance.

I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

Hmmmm; somehow Calzaghe thought Pavlik was worth fighting in 2006 while he was practically unheard of and struggling to get recognition at MW, but now in 2008 Pavlik hasn't done enough to earn a fight with Joe:confused:

Foot Into Mouth 101:rolleyes: How was Kelly a worthy opponent then but not now? And why was he trying to fight a fledgling MW who no one knew about when Joe was SMW?

Sounds like Joe is either lying or he was trying to bully an up and coming MW prospect just so he could get another win on his spotless, awe inspiring record back in 2006.;D

I'm not implying in any way Joe fears Pavlik, but the logic of Pavlik being a viable opponent in 2006 but not now is a bit strange to say the least.

Both Calzaghe and his father said if the Hopkins performance was a one off and he beats Jones like he should he will fight Pavlik. They said they both see Joes career worst display as a sign he maybe slowing down.

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Both Calzaghe and his father said if the Hopkins performance was a one off and he beats Jones like he should he will fight Pavlik. They said they both see Joes career worst display as a sign he maybe slowing down.

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If Pavlik/Calzaghe fight does get made, I wonder where it would be held?

I wouldn't mind seeing it in Wales as I like the energy of those stadium fights.

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Both Calzaghe and his father said if the Hopkins performance was a one off and he beats Jones like he should he will fight Pavlik. They said they both see Joes career worst display as a sign he maybe slowing down.

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If Pavlik/Calzaghe fight does get made, I wonder where it would be held?

I wouldn't mind seeing it in Wales as I like the energy of those stadium fights.

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That would be great but i think HBO will want Vegas.

Or in Atlantic City. Pavlik seems to have found a home in New Jersey. If Calzaghe vs Pavlik ends up there, I would be in attendance in a heartbeat.

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Hmmmm; somehow Calzaghe thought Pavlik was worth fighting in 2006 while he was practically unheard of and struggling to get recognition at MW, but now in 2008 Pavlik hasn't done enough to earn a fight with Joe:confused:

Foot Into Mouth 101:rolleyes: How was Kelly a worthy opponent then but not now? And why was he trying to fight a fledgling MW who no one knew about when Joe was SMW?

Sounds like Joe is either lying or he was trying to bully an up and coming MW prospect just so he could get another win on his spotless, awe inspiring record back in 2006.;D

I'm not implying in any way Joe fears Pavlik, but the logic of Pavlik being a viable opponent in 2006 but not now is a bit strange to say the least.

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Ahhh but Joe "thinks" they made him an offer again after that.... LOL

As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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He could not even beat up a 43 year old man. He could not even make him swell a little or even look like he was in a fight.

That fight with b-hop was luckluster for me. Imagine b-hop dropping him at rnd 1! What if that was pavlik? The question is can calzaghe hurt pavlik with hand speed alone or the volume of punches alone? Pav is on his prime right now and if calzaghe and pavlik meets, i'm definitely rooting for pavlik.

looks like cal really doesn't want to fight pav

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I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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After Abraham, that's pretty much cleaning out the division! Zertuche, Taylor, Miranda, Abraham, no one else is really that appealling in middleweight. I hope he doesn't get affected by the fluctuation in his weight. He fought at 160 vs Taylor the first time, then moved up for a catch weight, moved back down to fight Locket, now moving to 170 to fight Bernard?

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As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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He could not even beat up a 43 year old man. He could not even make him swell a little or even look like he was in a fight.

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How many times you seen Hopkins swollen? hopkins was hurt to the body and in the 11th was put down by a right hook to the body but faked a low blow.

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I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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Agree with you there Abraham is more skillful and would beat Pavlik

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As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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He could not even beat up a 43 year old man. He could not even make him swell a little or even look like he was in a fight.

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How many times you seen Hopkins swollen? hopkins was hurt to the body and in the 11th was put down by a right hook to the body but faked a low blow.

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Hopkins was not hit in the body on that shot. He was obviously hit in the "cash and prizes" he just wasn't hit that hard. Bernard milked it for as much as he could. A bit of an acting job but definitely was not an effective body shot.

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As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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Don't you think there was legitimate reason for people to want to see Mayweather fight Cotto though? It still would be a great fight, and prior to losing to Marg Cotto was on a huge roll and had a better resume at Welter than Floyd in their time there. Margo I'll give you. But I don't see Pavlik-Calzaghe as that kind of matchup at all. Joe Calzaghe is no Mayweather, simple as. He's never had a string of fights against solid fighters where he has outclassed them all and not taken clean punchers, never. I think Pavlik does have a very good chance to beat Calzaghe, though he would still be an underdog for me. I don't think anyone is denying Calzaghe has better skills, but he would have to fight a very very good fight in order to keep PAvlik off him for 12 rounds without being hurt at some point, and Pavlik is the best finisher and hardest puncher he's ever fought imo.

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I think Pavlik must clean out his own division before he calls out Calzaghe.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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Show me Abrham batting punches like Pavlik. Lockett could not even touch him. Pavlik grazes his head and he almost goes out. If he didnt take a knee that right hand was coming in fight over. Abrham goes into a shell pavlik bats punches away like he is wearing a set of mantis mits and he is warming the guy up in the locker room. He does not go into a shell.I was more people would bat the punches. It is a art that Jack Johnson perfected but has been lost through time.

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Besides Abraham who else is there. I see Abraham his toughest in the middle weights but I still think Pavlik is too skilled and too powerful for him and knocks him out or stops him. I guess we will have to see how well Pavlik takes to the 10 pound catch weight than what he is used to but I still think he beats Hopkins and should really call out Calzaghe.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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Agree with you there Abraham is more skillful and would beat Pavlik

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You guys are both delusional and need to change from shit to a brian.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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Agree with you there Abraham is more skillful and would beat Pavlik

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You guys are both delusional and need to change from shit to a brian.

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Im not saying Abrahams would beat Pavlik but he clearly is more skilled. If i got shot for brain good help you mate.

Dont take it as critism i think Pavlik is a better fighter than ol king but definatly not as skilled.

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As a Calzaghe fan i would be upset at him if he didnt beat up Pavlik.

There will always be that question from knowlegless fans just as Mayweather has over Cotto and Marg.

beat up the old dog then finish with Pavlik.

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Don't you think there was legitimate reason for people to want to see Mayweather fight Cotto though? It still would be a great fight, and prior to losing to Marg Cotto was on a huge roll and had a better resume at Welter than Floyd in their time there. Margo I'll give you. But I don't see Pavlik-Calzaghe as that kind of matchup at all. Joe Calzaghe is no Mayweather, simple as. He's never had a string of fights against solid fighters where he has outclassed them all and not taken clean punchers, never. I think Pavlik does have a very good chance to beat Calzaghe, though he would still be an underdog for me. I don't think anyone is denying Calzaghe has better skills, but he would have to fight a very very good fight in order to keep PAvlik off him for 12 rounds without being hurt at some point, and Pavlik is the best finisher and hardest puncher he's ever fought imo.

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I think Mayweather v Cotto and Calzaghe v Pavlik should 100% be made. As for hardest puncher? hmm at 160lbs Pavlik is a power puncher but at 168lbs its unknown if he hits as hard as Kessler or Eubank or Lacy. He is a good finisher though.

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Pavlik maybe more powerful but he is not as skilled as Abrahams.

Too skilled? dont be silly.

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Agree with you there Abraham is more skillful and would beat Pavlik

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You guys are both delusional and need to change from shit to a brian.

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And they say Americans can't do irony.

If enough guaranteed and projected money is offered to Joe, Joe will fight Pavlik. And you can't blame him for fighting Jones now. Every fight has its maximum dollar value and right now Joe versus Jones is right for now and Joe versus Pavlik is for afterwards.

Calzaghe is open to right hands. No wonder he doesn't want to face power punching Pavlik. He would get KNFO.

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Or in Atlantic City. Pavlik seems to have found a home in New Jersey. If Calzaghe vs Pavlik ends up there, I would be in attendance in a heartbeat.

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I will cruise in from Ohio and buy the beer and the casino chips. Atlantic city is so much better than Vegas. I am a cold weather guy who grew up not far from the banks of the great lakes. I haver never left the eastern time zone even though I live less than 2 hours from central line in Indiana. But from what I think I would like would be more Jersey than the desert.

Calzaghe vs Pavlik will happen, this is both fighters already hyping the fight.

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Found this pic of Joe. Looks like he cant win . He beats the undefeated young world champs like Kessler and Lacy and when he gets no respect for that he fights legends like Jones and Hopkins yet still some people are arent happy . No pleasing em I suppose.

I think Calzaghe deserves the Jones fight, then final fight should be Pavlik in wales.

Can i ask if calzaghe beats both will everyone accept that he is a great???

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I think Calzaghe deserves the Jones fight, then final fight should be Pavlik in wales.

Can i ask if calzaghe beats both will everyone accept that he is a great???

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When Calzaghe was primed so was Toney , Hopkins and Jones. Why no fights then. Because he would lose all three of them.

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I think Calzaghe deserves the Jones fight, then final fight should be Pavlik in wales.

Can i ask if calzaghe beats both will everyone accept that he is a great???

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When Calzaghe was primed so was Toney , Hopkins and Jones. Why no fights then. Because he would lose all three of them.

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*sigh*

ok first off james toney was either at heavy or cruers when joe was fighitng for his first title.

everyone knows now that hopkins was offered his highest pay day at the time, don king confirmed it for him to fight joe after he beat tito.

Roy jones said him slef the reason he didn't fight Joe back then was purly down to the fact (and i agree with jones) that Joe was to high risk with minimum gain.

i can see this is of big interest, and while i know what i know ill scratch it and give some of you a chance...

i have to do an interview with Joe for the site, Janie wanted it some time ago, but i have been so busy with other things, and with Joes injury i have put it off...

so here is your chance... i assume most of what i am about to offer is about pavlik, and i will mention it is from forum users...

so, i am putting this out there...

post here a question you want to ask him, make it proper and ill put it in my interview that i will do some time in the next two weeks...

i am sorry if i get a massive reply, i have what i need to ask penned down, but will include a few questions from you guys, which in fairnes are the ones that are most important fora boxer to answer 'coz u are the fans... i can't do to many unless what u ask is what i have alreay got down.

i assume it will be about pavlik, but if not that is fine, im not looking for anything personaly, just don't be a VD(tosser) about it and if i think its a good Q ill ask it and mention you...

no real time line, but the sooner the better like innit