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Over the last 5 years after he fights Pavlik will look like this........ Robert Allan,Oscar De La Hoya,Howard Eastman,Jermain Taylor twice,Antonio Tarver,Winky Wright,Joe Calzaghe,Kelly Pavlik when nearly every other Boxers of his age has retired!!
U got to respect that?! Has any other Boxer had a harder run in than that over the last 5 years?? Could proberbly make a case for Pac.
And you missed out a fellow p4p'er in Joey Calzaghe.. So more props.. Even a lotta guys say Hop won that fight..
For real.. Thats why Bernard is P4P
Realised that when I post it,then the computer crashed! Thats 6 P4P level fighters he's fought in the last 5years,nobody can match that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
No doubt Hopkins resume is among the best of active fighters.
Think only maybe Oscars and Pacs is better,maybe make a case for Mosley,anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Winky Wrights is pretty impressive alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by njacketsThink only maybe Oscars and Pacs is better,maybe make a case for Mosley,anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah B-hop is the man. The most impressive thing is Bernard has been competative in all of those fights, and has won most of them. Even in defeat it's razor thin and could go both ways. Like stated above many people think he even won all of them.
Hopkins resume is overated.
His 3 best wins are over fighters much smaller....Tarver was a good legit win though.
If Bhops record is overrated, whose isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
Hopkins & Hagler the two best middleweight everQuote:
Originally Posted by purtyboy
Roy JonesQuote:
Originally Posted by njacketsThink only maybe Oscars and Pacs is better,maybe make a case for Mosley,anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I disagree in he has fought a washed up Tito that come out of retirement and had never fought at that weight,before that was Hanshaw and Prince Badi Ajamu and then he lost his 3 fights previous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom BoomRoy JonesQuote:
Originally Posted by njacketsThink only maybe Oscars and Pacs is better,maybe make a case for Mosley,anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Boom BoomRoy JonesQuote:
Originally Posted by njacketsThink only maybe Oscars and Pacs is better,maybe make a case for Mosley,anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Dont be silly Jones resume is legenderaly weak.
Muhammad Ali had a strong level of opponent throughout his career. That to me is what proved how great he was.
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Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Boom BoomRoy JonesQuote:
Originally Posted by njackets
Dont be silly Jones resume is legenderaly weak.
Some of his light heavy defences 1995-2000 are questionable I would have to agree.
Monzon and Robinson??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHopkins & Hagler the two best middleweight everQuote:
Originally Posted by purtyboy
Greb - RobinsonQuote:
Originally Posted by njacketsMonzon and Robinson??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHopkins & Hagler the two best middleweight everQuote:
Originally Posted by purtyboy
the sad truth about nard in my opinion is he left it way to late....
He has a lot of names on his resume of whom he has fought, but take away the name and base it on threat and there are soly two, both of whom he had very little option of fighting...
First a green (in fairness as was hopkins) but unlike roy he wasn't one handed. He lost.
Then Joe...
Every other name he fought was a name only, and no real threat, sorry.
That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleIf Bhops record is overrated, whose isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
i will agree with you to a point...Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleIf Bhops record is overrated, whose isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
BUT there realy isnt a fighter outside heavy wou could stay in a devision to dominate it and had a great win record...
Sure i think hopkins should of left middle after he beat tito to fight names, as the devision was dead... and i will always hold that against him when i think about where he lays in all time, personaly i think he stayed there knowing it was dead and he had it easy...
but a fighter does have the right to stay and set records in the weight the rule in...
i argue with my self over this topic lol
Holyfield for sure and Pac-man is catching upQuote:
Originally Posted by njackets
Ok then fair enough but who are the biggest Ws on Haglers list? Duran and Hearns IMO and neither were natural Middleweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleIf Bhops record is overrated, whose isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
Ok, to those people who say his best wins are against guys much smaller: GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BOOTY.
Trinidad was coming off of a TOTAL DESTRUCTION of a huge Middleweight in William Joppy before fighting Bhop, so for those of you who say he was no threat you know NOTHING about boxing.
Bernard Hopkins is an absolute SCIENTIST in the ring. He's not the most exciting fighter but "exciting" and "great fighter" do not mean the same thing. He knew every trick in the book and he is one of the hardest guys to fight in boxing history because he takes guys out of their game and drags them into deep water. IMO the #3 MW of all time behind Hagler and Monzon (and YES, ahead of SRR who was better at WW)
I'd say it's a 3 way tie, Hopkins, Hagler, & MonzonQuote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHopkins & Hagler the two best middleweight everQuote:
Originally Posted by purtyboy
From what I remember there wasn't much happening in the Divs infront of him,apart from RJJ,as much as B Hop called him out,and for all the live link ups they did between the 2 on HBO or whatever it was,the fight never came off.All the name fighters were in the Divs below,I cant really begrudge him staying at MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premei will agree with you to a point...Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
BUT there realy isnt a fighter outside heavy wou could stay in a devision to dominate it and had a great win record...
Sure i think hopkins should of left middle after he beat tito to fight names, as the devision was dead... and i will always hold that against him when i think about where he lays in all time, personaly i think he stayed there knowing it was dead and he had it easy...
but a fighter does have the right to stay and set records in the weight the rule in...
i argue with my self over this topic lol
i meet hopkins and he is an asshole
He did dominate, no doubt. But there was actualy another fighter below HW dominating his weight. Joe C. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Premei will agree with you to a point...Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
BUT there realy isnt a fighter outside heavy wou could stay in a devision to dominate it and had a great win record...
Sure i think hopkins should of left middle after he beat tito to fight names, as the devision was dead... and i will always hold that against him when i think about where he lays in all time, personaly i think he stayed there knowing it was dead and he had it easy...
but a fighter does have the right to stay and set records in the weight the rule in...
i argue with my self over this topic lol
Joppy was a B- fighter at best who held a title in a weak division. Anytime he stepped up in class he was soundly beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He wasn't the biggest of 160 guys either (like your stating).
Hopkins is very strong at 175 and was an absolute monster down at 160...So basicaly we had a strong light heavyweight going against a former WW in that one. Dont make it something it wasn't.
You should have hooked him Andrew. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kid_thunder
Wait,he beat,not just beat,whupped Antonio Tarver when nobody thought he couldQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleIf Bhops record is overrated, whose isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
He whupped Tito Trinidad at the very top of his game,when noone thought he could,and remember Tito wasnt that undersized,he did have a piece of the belt coming in
He whupped all three of the middle weight champions
Tarvers got nothing to do with his 160 run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWait,he beat,not just beat,whupped Antonio Tarver when nobody thought he couldQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_That still doesn't get away from the fact that 3 of his best wins have came against fighters much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
The name are nice to have but they are not GREAT wins.
He whupped Tito Trinidad at the very top of his game,when noone thought he could,and remember Tito wasnt that undersized,he did have a piece of the belt coming in
He whupped all three of the middle weight champions
Tito was also bulied and schooled by Winky at 160...He was NOT a 160 guy, his natural weights were 147/154. Winning a title against a lesser fighter at a higher weight does not mean shit. My boy Hatton done the same at 147 but we all know he's not a 147 guy.
William Joppy was built like Kenny Norton at Middleweight, he was strong as hell and could hit like a mule. So for Trinidad to take him out so easily definatly meant something. NO ONE ever did that to William Joppy and no one has since. Bute put a beating on him and dominated him but it was no where near as destructive.
Tito was allready done by then,and Hopkins schooled Winky tooQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_Tarvers got nothing to do with his 160 run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWait,he beat,not just beat,whupped Antonio Tarver when nobody thought he couldQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
He whupped Tito Trinidad at the very top of his game,when noone thought he could,and remember Tito wasnt that undersized,he did have a piece of the belt coming in
He whupped all three of the middle weight champions
Tito was also bulied and schooled by Winky at 160...He was NOT a 160 guy, his natural weights were 147/154. Winning a title against a lesser fighter at a higher weight does not mean shit. My boy Hatton done the same at 147 but we all know he's not a 147 guy.
Hopkins schooled Winky? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyTito was allready done by then,and Hopkins schooled Winky tooQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_Tarvers got nothing to do with his 160 run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Tito was also bulied and schooled by Winky at 160...He was NOT a 160 guy, his natural weights were 147/154. Winning a title against a lesser fighter at a higher weight does not mean shit. My boy Hatton done the same at 147 but we all know he's not a 147 guy.
Fuckin fight were you watching, that could easily have went to either fighter.
The one Hopkins wonQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_Hopkins schooled Winky? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyTito was allready done by then,and Hopkins schooled Winky tooQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
Fuckin fight were you watching, that could easily have went to either fighter.
You can look it up yourself
Hopkins is one loud mouth twat who needs to retire. His style is the worst in boxing. No wonder he has barely any fans :lolhaha: I hope Pavlik knocks him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid_thunder
Hopkins has faced many good opponents I will give him that. But I will never watch him fight again. Especially after this last fight with Joe. PLEASE don't try to even begin to say he won this fight, should have been UD for Joe. Has everyone forgotten about him crying about low blows late in the fight, and not telling the ref he needed time? He was simply out of shape (of too old.. same thing) and over matched. Granted Joe is the man right now, but B-Hop is supposed P4P, right?
Pavlik will finally be someone who possesses a good chance of knocking him out. Finally, he will face a challenger who possess a legitimate threat. All these pitty-pat boxers, all smaller than he. Granted Tarver can be a big puncher, but he is more washed up than Jones.
Hopkins just doesn't bring to the table what I want in a boxing match. When he fought Winky not only could I not tell who won the fight in the end... I didn't care! Luckily for them, Katsidis was on the undercard, or they might have had all those subscribers asking for their money back.
Hopkins did not school Winky. At the end nobody knew who won. Everyone had it different. I had Winky ahead, but I wasn't really paying close attention. It's not like it looked like either of them were in a fight other than the gash on Winky from the headbutt in the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyThe one Hopkins wonQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_Hopkins schooled Winky? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Fuckin fight were you watching, that could easily have went to either fighter.
You can look it up yourself