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Start with Emanuel Steward.
"Nacho" Beristain & Ray Arcel. :cool:
My top 2 choices.
Yoel Judah;D
BAM
Angelo Dundee
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Originally Posted by eagle
Almost wonder if Zab's self destruction is the result of that.
and to follow up on eagle
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAMBAM
In modern times Roger Mayweather.
Emanuel steward , you gotta be kidding. Thank god he had tommy hearns, he did a great job with Naseem, Oscar?, the list goes on, hes so over rated.And once you throw in the tv job, there is total lack of focus.
When did he last do anything with all the creme de la creme talent he was given.
You been watching too much TV.
He had Lewis blowing out good opponents when he was training him.........other than that I can't really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its gonna be a war
My question is
Is there such a thing as a great trainer? or is there certain trainers suited for certain fighters?
He also worked with McClellan...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelHe had Lewis blowing out good opponents when he was training him.........other than that I can't really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its gonna be a war
hey micky boyQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickHe also worked with McClellan...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelHe had Lewis blowing out good opponents when he was training him.........other than that I can't really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its gonna be a war
you still need to pm me your contact so i can mail u the kessler signed meda pack mate
Like Kevin Rooney with Tyson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Every "great" trainer has had great wins and bad losses...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAWGSWINLike Kevin Rooney with Tyson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Certain trainers and bring out the best in certain styles, there isnt a trainer in the history of the sport imo who could of trained anyone better than the rest...
They all had their styles, they all have their skills. One trainer will train a certain fighter with a certain style better than another but will fail with a different styled fighter...
99% of what fighters do is down to skill... trainers can fine tune certain attributes to make them that little bit better, and certain trainers are special to certain things, from jab, timing to just pure work rate...
Eddie Futched trained a lot of great heavys. Norton, Holmes, Frazier and Berbick all beat Ali. Bowe, McCallum, Arguello, Foster et al.
Theres just so many...
Freddie Brown, Clancy, Cus, Correa, Blackburn, Lou, Benton.
Fathers to great trainers:
Jose Morales, Aristidis Jofre, RJJ Sr., Tito Sr., Jack Mosley, Gregorio Benitez, Enzo Calzaghe.
I can sit here all night...
Angelo is probably the GOAT IMO.
I don't think it's that easy to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
I think theres a lot of ATG trainers but to distinguish just 1....
I mean take Chickie Ferrera for example I think he's VASTLY underrated. He def. has an arguement as the GOAT.
What to you makes angelo the GOT?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
what did he, or could he do that made good fighters great?
The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI don't think it's that easy to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
I think theres a lot of ATG trainers but to distinguish just 1....
I mean take Chickie Ferrera for example I think he's VASTLY underrated. He def. has an arguement as the GOAT.
I must check.
Well then if that's your judgement then surely Pee Wee Beale tops that having trained Sugar Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI don't think it's that easy to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
I think theres a lot of ATG trainers but to distinguish just 1....
I mean take Chickie Ferrera for example I think he's VASTLY underrated. He def. has an arguement as the GOAT.
I must check.
That's argueably #1 & #2 P4P all time.
thought pepe careera trained SRL?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI don't think it's that easy to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_
I think theres a lot of ATG trainers but to distinguish just 1....
I mean take Chickie Ferrera for example I think he's VASTLY underrated. He def. has an arguement as the GOAT.
I must check.
angelo trained carmen (basilio)
Preme, you mean Pepe Correa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premethought pepe careera trained SRL?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I must check.
angelo trained carmen (basilio)
Correa also trained: Lennox, Duran and Simon Brown.
You are right he did train SRL at one point.
But Angelo was SRL pro trainer since the beggining of his career.
angelo came in to 'finish' leonard just before his bouts.
dave jacobs took him as a raw 14-year-old and taught him everything. jacobs was there while dundee came in and added the finishing touches.
what about freddie roach?
No doubt it was Yoda Dundee and Crip D'Amato
;)
And McCallum. I think he has brought the best work out of Wlad too. Also he made Holyfield look rejuvinated for Bowe II. I do rate him very highly but some people just don't work well together, thats why some people didn't have the same success as others under Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickHe also worked with McClellan...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelHe had Lewis blowing out good opponents when he was training him.........other than that I can't really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its gonna be a war
Well you learn something new everyday. I didn't know he trained both. I do rate them 1 and 2 p4p of all time see this old thread I posted when I first signed up http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-all-time.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWell then if that's your judgement then surely Pee Wee Beale tops that having trained Sugar Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I must check.
That's argueably #1 & #2 P4P all time.
Not the greatest, definitely one of the best IMO.
Freddie Roach for transforming Pacquiao into what he is today.
The Filipino people is forever thankful for this man's kindness/loyalty to Manny.
Think Pepe trained him after the Hagler fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premethought pepe careera trained SRL?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGunn_The two names of Ali and SRL cant be argued with IMO. Thats two top 10 fighters in history. Im not sure anyone else has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I must check.
angelo trained carmen (basilio)
steward had hilmer kenty.
and milton mccrory.
From Sports Illustrated, December 8, 1980:
WHERE WERE THEY?
Do trainers really train fighters anymore? Lost in all the furor over Roberto Duran 's famous bellyache (page 24) are the performances of Ray Arcel and Freddie Brown , whose job it was to get Duran ready for the biggest fight of his career. Where were they when Duran reached for that extra steak, when he gulped his orange juice? How could they have let him go through such a severe weight-reduction regimen so close to fight time and then blow himself up hours before the bell sounded? Where was that steady hand on the wrist...? "No, Roberto, no more...." Once upon a time trainers used to lock themselves in with their warriors for days before a big fight. They'd monitor every morsel of food that crossed the table, every whiff of cigarette smoke that entered the room.
Where was the famous Angelo Dundee when Muhammad Ali was popping all those thyroid pills and burning the weight off so drastically before he went into the Larry Holmes fight a zombie? And how about the first Leon Spinks fight in 1978? Ali admitted he hadn't trained for that one, but you wouldn't have known it from his trainer. At Ali 's workout two days before the bout, Dundee could be heard telling a few skeptical writers, " Ali 's sharp as a razor for this one. I've never seen him so sharp."
Eddie Futch is the only high profile trainer that I believe deserves mentioning.
Me
And if you dont have the confidence to say that,take up knitting
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Lou Duva anyone?:rolleyes:
Most off the elite Trainers in America, have worked with Yoda. He has left a Legacy second to non. Not a big talker but when He did it was a good idea to Listen.Reminds me of a favourite saying Empty Bins Make The Most Noise, Eddie didnt make much noise ;D.
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
only one trainer worth mentioning after 300 years of boxing?
Joe Gould
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by SorceryatCaesarwhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
only one trainer worth mentioning after 300 years of boxing?
Among the champions Emanuel Steward has trained or have sought his guidance:
Thomas Hearns
Dennis Andries
Wilfred BenĂ*tez
Julio César Chávez
Kermit Cintron
Oscar De La Hoya
John David Jackson
Naseem Hamed
Oliver McCall
Evander Holyfield
Hilmer Kenty
Wladimir Klitschko
Michael Moorer
Mike McCallum
Milton McCrory
Steve McCrory
Gerald McClellan
Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Paul
Jermain Taylor
Duane Thomas
James Toney
Ole Klemetsen
Miguel Cotto