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I always said it was a close fight but Buncy thinks Mayorga was well on his way to a decisive win before being ko'd.
I think this shows once and for all that it WAS a very close fight and open to interperatation.
I think it was a 50/50 fight going into the final round, but fair play to Mosely, he took it out of the judges hands.
HBO's commentary was fucking dreadful though, talk about home fighter bias :-\
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Doesn't really matter now does it?;D
Well since the fight had only 11 judged rounds, he is saying Mayorga was up 9 - 2. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could have given that many rounds to Mayorga. Throwing punches should not win you a round, but the more effective punching should. Bunce seems to be crediting just work, not effective work. It was definately a close fight, and honestly that's the best I've seen Mayorga look since the Forrest fights of yesteryear, Mayorga won rounds, a close amount no doubt, but no way you can say Mosley only won 2 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I had Mayorga ahead by definitely a couple of rounds but I wasn't exactly sober and was eating a meal during the fight.
Yeah I agree completely, I just wanted to demonstrate that it was a very close fight, contrary to the opinion of some on here who thought that you had to know nothing about boxing to have Mayorga level with Mosely going into the 12th round, and secondly, I just wanted to stir some shit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepWell since the fight had only 11 judged rounds, he is saying Mayorga was up 9 - 2. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could have given that many rounds to Mayorga. Throwing punches should not win you a round, but the more effective punching should. Bunce seems to be crediting just work, not effective work. It was definately a close fight, and honestly that's the best I've seen Mayorga look since the Forrest fights of yesteryear, Mayorga won rounds, a close amount no doubt, but no way you can say Mosley only won 2 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bunce must have been going by Jim Watt's scoring.. i thought that was slightly off.. it was about even going into the 12th.
Most rounds were v close in fact the only 2 clear rounds were 6 and 12.
This guy hasn't got a clue about boxing end of, Ricardo Mayorga missed most of his punches. And Mosley countered Mayorga all night long after the 4th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I really just can't see how anybody had Mayorga winning, throwing alot of punches while missing majority of them doesn't win you fights. Nor does ineffective pressure.
And even when Mayorga landed they wern't effective punches, because he wasn't throwing them with good technique.
Mosley landed effective/cleaner punches, and he landed a whole lot more punches overall and with better accuracy than Mayorga did. I had it 7-4 for Mosley, i thought it was close in the middle rounds then Mosley pulled away in the later rounds.
From all the talk about this fight, I agree with ICE completely. I just don't see anyone having Mayorga ahead either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThis guy hasn't got a clue about boxing end of, Ricardo Mayorga missed most of his punches. And Mosley countered Mayorga all night long after the 4th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I really just can't see how anybody had Mayorga winning, throwing alot of punches while missing majority of them doesn't win you fights. Nor does ineffective pressure.
And even when Mayorga landed that wern't effective punches, because he wasn't throwing them with good technique.
Mosley landed effective/cleaner punches, and he landed a whole lot more punches overall and with better accuracy than Mayorga did. I had it 7-4 for Mosley, i thought it was close in the middle rounds then Mosley pulled away in the later rounds.
Havent seen much of Bunce really, I thought he had a pretty good take on some things and seemed to have sense but he gets incredibly irritating FAST, at least to me. Then last week he told Carl Froch that he thought Pascal was a tougher opponent than Jermain Taylor or Lacy, and now he had Mayorga winning 9 rounds(:confused::o).. It was absolutely a close fight that had swing rounds depending on what you liked, but there's no way in hell Mosley only won 2 of 11 rounds, that is just way off.
How people interpet various rounds can be all over the board, i didn't see it that way but i guess i kinda understand those who do, I think a lot of people are looking at how unimpressive shane was before the ko more than how mayorga was actually winning rounds, his wild style is hard to judge at times and can make opponets look bad, i'm actually glad there was a ko or we would never have a clear winner.
I thought that was the case listening to the Brit commentators scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
How far ahead did the HBO guys have Mosley?
Several rounds. Lampley said it was a travesty that one judge had Mayorga up by a point and one had Mosely up by only a point and Merchant agreed with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI thought that was the case listening to the Brit commentators scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
How far ahead did the HBO guys have Mosley?
Personally I thought it was a VERY close fight that depending on who won the 12th round could have gone either way. Had Mayorga got a big 12th round I wouldn't have had a problem if the judges had gone for him, although a close win for Shane would have been cool with me too.
But nobody can convince me that Shane was comfortably ahead in this fight, he pulled it out of the fire imo, great win and Mayorga fought out of his skin.
I don't think it was a bad performance from Shane I just think he struggled against a much bigger, and very focused and dangerous Mayorga.
A TRAVESTY the judges had it close? Blimey, no wonder people cry robbery after every fight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSeveral rounds. Lampley said it was a travesty that one judge had Mayorga up by a point and one had Mosely up by only a point and Merchant agreed with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI thought that was the case listening to the Brit commentators scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
How far ahead did the HBO guys have Mosley?
Personally I thought it was a VERY close fight that depending on who won the 12th round could have gone either way. Had Mayorga got a big 12th round I wouldn't have had a problem if the judges had gone for him, although a close win for Shane would have been cool with me too.
But nobody can convince me that Shane was comfortably ahead in this fight, he pulled it out of the fire imo, great win and Mayorga fought out of his skin.
I don't think it was a bad performance from Shane I just think he struggled against a much bigger, and very focused and dangerous Mayorga.
It was close going into the 12th. That's proven by the split between the bulk of fans.
yo through out the whole fuckin round by round i kept telling everyone that hbo commentors were very favorable it was so bad
i remember one comment by lampley where it was in the mid rounds after about 1 min, mosley gets one fucken shot in and mayorga gets about 10, and all lampley can say is that mosley is winning this round because hes throwing more combination in THIS round then mayorga...ROFL that was so bad
and then u see marchant and lampley laugh when they see the scorecards and one of them had mayorga winning.
only if mayorga could of kept that last min in hand he the fight would of been a draw...
i had it about 7-4 for mosley too. Mayorga just doesn't have the skill mosley has.
Yeah, Bilbo.... Once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Thanks to Bunce and you. :beat: :rolleyes:
Tell you what, FUCK YOU and Bunce you guys need glasses.
There is no fucken way SSM had lost 9 rounds...
I agree with you Mick I don't think Mosely lost 9 rounds either. I was merely using this as another example that the fight WAS VERY close and that experts had it both for Mosely and for Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickYeah, Bilbo.... Once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Thanks to Bunce and you. :beat: :rolleyes:
Tell you what, FUCK YOU and Bunce you guys need glasses.
There is no fucken way SSM had lost 9 rounds...
This was in reply to those who insist the Mosely was comfortably ahead and that he was winning easily.
Clearly, given the huge amount of sentiment regarding Mayorga being competitive right until the end, the idea that Mosely was running away with it was not correct.
Apparently neither does sending a man to a neutral corner after he knocks his opponent down.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Doesn't really matter now does it?;D
It was a close fight, Mayorga put up a very good showing.
Mosley pulled that out right from the edge. Even if Mayorga had survived the round that round would have been the sealer for Mosley. Mayorga gave Mosely a very tough time.
Thats all true.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
BUT
Mayorga haters, which is most fight fans in general, will just say "Mayorga got knocked the fuck out again! Cus he's a bum."
And thats what they're sayin already.
Fuck that.
Don't waste your time listening to the keyboard warriors. Their opinions are generally not worth the time of day.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkThats all true.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
BUT
Mayorga haters, which is most fight fans in general, will just say "Mayorga got knocked the fuck out again! Cus he's a bum."
And thats what they're sayin already.
Fuck that.
Mayorga put up a performance against Mosley, that up until the end of the 11th, was almost as good as Cottos was. Of course, Mayorga faltered and what happened in the 12th happened. But Mayorga showed once again that he isnt a bum, and though not always aesthetically pleasing, he can box and put on a show. No shame in that.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
HBO commentary is always shit and only worth a wank when Lennox is in the house,they overdo everything and have conversations about other fighters during fights then quickly "Do a bit" when someone lands...
I have to turn the sound down if i watch a downloaded fight as it does my swede in so much;D
Bring back Reg n Harry i say:cool:
I had my man Mosley up by 1 round going into the 12th round but the early rounds were hard to score. As a Mosley fan its a fight I didnt enjoy watching, he should have boxed instead of trying to trade with Mayorga but thats just Shane for you. He always fights his opponents fight instead of making things easy for himself. Mosley should stay down at welterweight, at light middle he relies too much on single shots instead of combinations. Would love to see a rematch with Cotto, Magarito on the other hand I think would just have too much for him at this stage in Molseys career.
No, Bunce is a total idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
You Say Hbo is bias but Bruce is right man wtf is that dude. Shane Mosley won that fight hands down Margay Landed nothing damn near. He missed so many punches it was sad the only effective thing he did was tackle Shane Mosley. I am glad he god knocked out and i really dont like the way he fights and it got ross to shut up on how he would own Mosley which i am glad i dont have to hear anymore. I not saying Margay is a bum but i dont like the man after this fight and i am glad he got knocked out. I hope Shane can get a match with Cotto or Margrito i give him a chance and hope he wins a belt again because i think he is great fighter and i wish him the best in the following years.
I watched the fight again it doesn't change my opinion at all, Ricardo Mayorga missed majority of his punches and he wasn't landing effective punches. Shane Mosley landed the more effective/cleaner punches. And i thought he was clearly ahead going in the 12th round by atleast 3 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI agree with you Mick I don't think Mosely lost 9 rounds either. I was merely using this as another example that the fight WAS VERY close and that experts had it both for Mosely and for Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickYeah, Bilbo.... Once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Thanks to Bunce and you. :beat: :rolleyes:
Tell you what, FUCK YOU and Bunce you guys need glasses.
There is no fucken way SSM had lost 9 rounds...
This was in reply to those who insist the Mosely was comfortably ahead and that he was winning easily.
Clearly, given the huge amount of sentiment regarding Mayorga being competitive right until the end, the idea that Mosely was running away with it was not correct.
I don't know how anybody could have it 9 rounds for Mayorga when a blindman would have to score 4-7 to Mosley. I can't see any way any of those could be be given to Mayorga. They weren't even close. If you want to be generous to Mayorga, give him 1,2,3,8,9. That's it.
On my card, I gave Mayorga 2,3, and 8. Rounds 2 and 8 were the only rounds Mayorga dominated, while Mosley dominated 4-7 and 11, and clearly won 10.
Wasn't Bunce just saying the Jean Pascal is as good a fight as Jermaine Taylor? Fool.
What a BS scorecard, horrible really.
I still haven't technically seen the fight :-\
And actually thinking about it the round that Mosley pounded Mayorga around the ring, i think it was the 7th round. That could have been scored a 10-8 round.
Watch the fight with the sound off and you will find the fight was very even.
Its nothing to do with the commentary its due to Mayorga, missing majority of his punches. And as i've said many times even when he did land them they wern't effective, because he threw them with poor technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I don't like using punchstats as an example, but i think the punchstats had it spot on. Mayorga threw more punches but missed most of em, especially his flurries on the inside. Where as Mosley was very accurate especially with his counter shots.
Wow!!! 9 of 12 rounds heh. Crack kills.
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Originally Posted by The Fightfan
It shows how out of touch Bunce is . I duno what his criteria is for scoring but I always thought the art of boxing was to hit and not be hit. The punch stats prove that Shane Mosley landed double what Mayorga did. Thats a overwhelming amount . He also threw less which shows Mayorga was missing a great deal . So for Bunce to have Mayorga in such a big lead shows he is biased or no good at scoring . Either way he shouldnt be in the job he is in .
In amateur boxing at least, you can only count punches that land with force. That the fighter has put effort in to throwing. Not just arm shots. Mayorgas punches are very easy to score because he doesnt really throw them any other way, so you would almost count all of his landed punches. Whereas Mosely does throw a lot of arm punches. Also, those punch stats they do, call every punch other than a jab, a power punch. There are some fighters who can hurt you with a jab.