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Should there be a size limit on heavyweights because it is getting silly now with valuev he has a ridiculas advantage that would not be possible in any other division plus he cant box yet he is a top heavyweight purly because of his size alot of great champions from the past would lose to this guy because he is to big to hit not because he is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqz_uf2rImE
Should there be a limit on the size of heavyweights?
Thats what makes it exciting for me , Cruiser was invented for this reason ,
I don't think there should be a weight limit in the heavies, but I do think the cruiserweight division should be bumped up again. Somewhere between 208 and 210 should be the cruiser weight limit. I believe there is a helluva lot of talent out there around this weight but simply because they can only get a guy who ways 220 and stand's over 6'3 anymore.
The heavyweight division is hardly exciting at the moment it was great a few years ago but it is just big slow akward fat men who cannot box now and good fighter are getting beaten because a guy has a 100lb advantage thats not fair at all i am 245lbs 5 11 and i have to try to become a cruiser now because i am to small, i mean when did 245lbs become small?:confused:
In his heyday Mike Tyson was 5'11 and fought at 216 lbs. Is there any doubt that Tyson would mop the floor with Valuev?
No dought but if you think about it tyson would have to jump to hit him
We have a Super Cruiserweight division in Australia which is 86kg to 95kg. you guys will have to figure out what that is in lbs.
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Originally Posted by Sapphire
You damn outsider's with your Keys and Grams. Damn it let me think. UMMM yeah that's what I said 209 lbs is 95 key's. So we're on the same page.
If we increase the weight limit for heavyweights, imagine the physiques of those fighters considering how bad they are now. Some of them don't even look like athletes, let alone boxers.
Who is going to top valuev? some guy 7 foot 7 weighing 400 pounds? the heavyweight division is a circus freak exhibition.
That's because it can be, imagine Valuev againsed the likes of Lewis, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, Tyson or Tua? even Moorer, McCall, Bruno, Ruddock etc.....christ when you name all these guys you realise what the division is missing....some proper talented fighters. They would all smack that lanky fuck to next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
I'm sick to death of these fat fuckers with piss poor footwork who can't even slip punches properly or even work off a jab, they match these guys with a KO in mind "er yeah, he hits hard, he has shit defense, should end in a KO". It's still not exiting though because most heavies are fucking shit. I can go round the back of a pub and see the same shit.
Rant over:mad:
Why should there be another weight class?
Beyond a certain point any size advantage these guys have is outweighed by the fact it makes them slow and ponderous, with poor movement and very upright.
Guys like Wlad and Vitali and Lewis before them are the maximum height to be to take maximum advantage. Any taller and history has shown repeatedly that it becomes a liability rather thana an asset.
The division is great as it is. I already think there are far too many weight classes, 8 is plenty, I really don't want to see another one.
Imagine if Valuev could punch his weight he would hit whoever and it would be where did he go then you would hear a scream and he has landed on the car park attendant if Valuev hit hard it would be exciting to watch him.
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Point made.
Argument over.;D
When and IF Valuev decides to fight a REAL heavyweight he'll get his ass handed to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Wladimir and Vitali and any other power punchers would be tough for Valuev to beat. Valuev already lost to Ruslan Chagaev who is not a very big guy.
Vitali, Wlad would beat Valuev by KO, I'm almost certain.
And please remember that Chagaev gave him a boxing lesson. Valuev won very close Decission agaisnt Ruiz and Larry Donald, who according to me are not at the same level as Tyson and Lewis were comparatively :-)
Seb
Sorry for the double post.
but in fact that has been a discussion for years. I'm still convinced (being a small heavyweight myself) that a good small boxer would outslaught a bad tall one. Of course agaisnt boxer like Lennox or Wlad it's problematic. they can box and they're pretty big. But even then, Tyson would have ko wlad like corey sanders was able to do. being tall and heavy doesn't mean that you're fast, strong, have stamina, are smart enough, have the will and the experience to take punch.
The fact that tall boxer have an advantage of reach is something, but honestly, I still remember small boxer putting down Primo Camera (who was a MONSTER at the time).
I konw what you guys are saying about skill versus size but what happened to wanting to see talented boxers such as ali tyson dempsey this division is becomong a freak show and it is getting boring its ratings are at an all time low there is a reason for that and it is because they cannot box (with the exception of a few) they are just huge,What would you rather see an era like the 60s or now.To me there is no comparioson and the reason is the size it is not fair to expect a man to box another man with a 150lbs weight advantage considering other divisions give out about 5 or 6 lbs.I want to see boxers in the heavyweight division again not this crap who only gets to the yop because of some ridiculas unfair advantage, i think there should be a cut off point of 280lbs if you over that join the circus i am a boxing fan not someone who wants to see mindless punching
yeah I hear you and can understand, but back on days I was fighting, if it was against a 280lbs boxer I wasn't worried at all. in fact he can't have speed and stamina I had at 230 plus they often only rely on power...which they can't do on a 4 rounders.
but ok, Valuev is something different...he's so huge that yes, he can easily win against average contender. but agaisnt a lewis, klitchko or even Chagaev (who defeated him)...I soncerely doubt.
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This division was created in a different era for the same reason i am stating if you look at the size of the heavyweights then they are tiny compared to todays so the argument that the cruiserweight division is there for this reason goes out the window considering 6'5 250lbs was huge back then and is average now, were talking about 7'2 350lbs a man of 210lbs should not have to fight this, so the cruiserweight was created for a different era altogether
I hear you but what i said is 280lbs is fine because they are no so huge that they cannot be beaten by a good boxer but after 280lbs they should have to go to some silly monster division because they are gaining status based soly on size not skill and that is not what boxing is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEB
The heavyweight division was once watched by the whole world everyone knew who the champ was.Can you say that now, no and it is because its crap,ands its crap because people are getting by on size instead of skill.
A few people have said to me so far in this thread that a good small boxer will beat a big one well not always true because the russian cant fight and he is ranked pretty high with only one defeat but pound for pound almost all his opponants were better than him.He has to much of an advantage after 280lbs they should not be eligble to box in the heavyweight division
if they had like a super heavyweght catagory it would be fkin terrible quality. The heavyweight division is shit enuff as it is, oh how i miss the holyfield, tyson, lewis, bowe days
this is why i am always going on abt how good haye is for the sport, good looking, great physique, cocky everything we need now lets prey he is the real deal
I miss them days as well.I agree that a bigger division would be awful so why let this crap polute the heavyweight division,let them train and get into fighting shape like the rest of us have to do and if they cant make the weight piss off because they have had it handy to long all fighter kill them selves getting in grat shape watching there weight and these slobs drag themselves to the ring beat a better man than themselves and bore the arse off the fan.They should have to make weight like every other division