< Paul Williams TOP 10 P4P? You've gotta be fooken kidding...

Apparently he's been at #10 for 3 weeks now...

WTF? Seriously?

I hope this is a typo on the site...

Do ANY of these names mean ANYTHING to whomever votes on the rankings?
Hozumi Hasegawa
David Haye
Vic Darchinyan
BCD
Nonito Donaire

It makes sense that Williams' stock would go up when Margarito thrashed Cotto. :)

Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

Of those 10, I would probably only consider Hasegawa, Donaire and Dawson as close to Williams in terms of P4P talent. As far as record wise I would think he has a much better list of accomplishments then Donaire.

At 10 I would have Chad Dawson if it was my list. Donaire maybe but he has let to much time slip between his last big fight. In terms of P4P talent I think Haye and Darchinyan are severely lagging.

Still, not one person on this list other then maybe Vic, Hasegawa (who's competition I'm not sure of enough to make a judgement) has a win over a better opponent then what Williams had with Margarito.

Basically it wouldn't have been my 1st choice but I have no qualms with him being there it's not like it's an abomination or anything.

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Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

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now Taeth i wouldnt say more than Margarito. Margarito took on some decent fighters as well and came out on top except against Williams. but beating Cotto while Cotto was top 5 p4p i think puts him above Paul

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Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

Well I certainly think he qualifies for top 15. I don't think that to consider him a top 10 is too outrageous although I would like to see him beat Margarito again to cement a position up there.

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Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

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Because those guys (Hatton, Pavlik) got totally thrashed in one-sided affairs.. whereas Cotto was always in the fight with Margarito (he was clearly the more skillful fighter).

If Cotto rematched Margarito there's a chance he could win with slight alterations. NO-one could ever see Pavlik beating Hopkins and Ricky beating Floyd after their fights.

Cotto looks a much more talented fighter than either of those two as well. I think he deserves to be top 10 P4P.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

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I agree 100%...all have put in more work in quality victories then Williams....

Funny how everyone seems to base Williams on his win over Margarito as if he blew him out....

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Apparently he's been at #10 for 3 weeks now...

WTF? Seriously?

I hope this is a typo on the site...

Do ANY of these names mean ANYTHING to whomever votes on the rankings?
Hozumi Hasegawa
David Haye
Vic Darchinyan
BCD
Nonito Donaire

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I totally agree Paul Williams no way belongs in the top 10. I also said this yesterday in Frank's thread, here's my list not that it means much.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Joe Calzaghe
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Israel Vasquez
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Rafael Marquez
7 Antonio Margarito
8 Ivan Calderon
9 Chad Dawson
10 Vic Darchinyan

I don't understand why R.Marquez is still top 10....

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I don't understand why R.Marquez is still top 10....

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hard not to really.

i dont mind having paul up there top 10, he has one lost but avenged it via 1st round ko. Did it like a true champ. just like how he took the title from tony like how a true contender suppose to take it from a true champ.

If Haye beats Slap or his brother he will DEF. be P4P top 10 status.

1st fighter since Evander Holyfield to own cruiser and heavyweight :cool:

While Williams may not have dominated Margarito, it was a clear 8-4 type of win and I think that proves he is deserving of top 10 status.

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While Williams may not have dominated Margarito, it was a clear 8-4 type of win and I think that proves he is deserving of top 10 status.

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Margarito wasn't top ten P4P when he fought Williams.

NO WAY Williams is P4P top ten now.

Maybe in terms of "Ducked" but not in achievement thus far in his career.

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While Williams may not have dominated Margarito, it was a clear 8-4 type of win and I think that proves he is deserving of top 10 status.

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Margarito wasn't top ten P4P when he fought Williams.

NO WAY Williams is P4P top ten now.

Maybe in terms of "Ducked" but not in achievement thus far in his career.

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Why does it matter if Margarito was regarded as top 10 at the time? He was an established fighter who proved his worth by knocking out Cotto. That elevates Williams victory. It isn't like Margarito was some green prospect when they fought.

I'd say that the Margarito win trumps any of Chad's wins, but Chad has a few big wins and Williams really only has that one, plus the loss to Quintana. Then I guess it depends on who you think is the better fighter, if you're just comparing the two.

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While Williams may not have dominated Margarito, it was a clear 8-4 type of win and I think that proves he is deserving of top 10 status.

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Margarito wasn't top ten P4P when he fought Williams.

NO WAY Williams is P4P top ten now.

Maybe in terms of "Ducked" but not in achievement thus far in his career.

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Why does it matter if Margarito was regarded as top 10 at the time? He was an established fighter who proved his worth by knocking out Cotto. That elevates Williams victory. It isn't like Margarito was some green prospect when they fought.

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He never knocked out Cotto before fighting Williams ;)

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Margarito wasn't top ten P4P when he fought Williams.

NO WAY Williams is P4P top ten now.

Maybe in terms of "Ducked" but not in achievement thus far in his career.

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Why does it matter if Margarito was regarded as top 10 at the time? He was an established fighter who proved his worth by knocking out Cotto. That elevates Williams victory. It isn't like Margarito was some green prospect when they fought.

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He never knocked out Cotto before fighting Williams ;)

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Why does it matter if Margarito was regarded as top 10 at the time? He was an established fighter who proved his worth by knocking out Cotto. That elevates Williams victory. It isn't like Margarito was some green prospect when they fought.

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He never knocked out Cotto before fighting Williams ;)

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Let me ask you this.

PW beat Antonio Margarito. He never entered P4P top 10 status.

Antonio Margarito all of a sudden beats Miguel Cotto.

Now PW enters the top 10 ?

It doesn't make sense because PW is entering on behalf of Margarito's win over Cotto.

Not because Paul Williams has followed up on that win, hell no. Being took to school by Carlos Quintana is hardly following up.

It's just stupid IMO.

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He never knocked out Cotto before fighting Williams ;)

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Let me ask you this.

PW beat Antonio Margarito. He never entered P4P top 10 status.

Antonio Margarito all of a sudden beats Miguel Cotto.

Now PW enters the top 10 ?

It doesn't make sense because PW is entering on behalf of Margarito's win over Cotto.

Not because Paul Williams has followed up on that win, hell no. Being took to school by Carlos Quintana is hardly following up.

It's just stupid IMO.

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How is it stupid to give Williams credit for beating a prime Margarito? You have a point about the Quintana loss, but he avenged that loss by demolishing Carlos in the rematch, so I'd say it's fair to put him in the top 10.

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Let me ask you this.

PW beat Antonio Margarito. He never entered P4P top 10 status.

Antonio Margarito all of a sudden beats Miguel Cotto.

Now PW enters the top 10 ?

It doesn't make sense because PW is entering on behalf of Margarito's win over Cotto.

Not because Paul Williams has followed up on that win, hell no. Being took to school by Carlos Quintana is hardly following up.

It's just stupid IMO.

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How is it stupid to give Williams credit for beating a prime Margarito? You have a point about the Quintana loss, but he avenged that loss by demolishing Carlos in the rematch, so I'd say it's fair to put him in the top 10.

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Doesn't matter about the rematch. Quintana is only a contender anyway.

My point is beating Antonio Margarito last year and not following it up shouldn't make you P4P worthy IMO (And everyone else almost agrees on this thread).

Antonio Margarito has never been P4P worthy only untill after he beat Cotto recently.

Another example.

Vic Darchinyan hasn't been put in the P4P top ten by many.

Yet he knocked out and dominated a P4P prime top 5 Christian Mijares and has good wins before that fight. Who did PW beat before Margarito? Vic is also a 2 weight world champion.

So why should Paul be put above him when Margarito was lower than Mijares in the P4P rankings ?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Apparently he's been at #10 for 3 weeks now...

WTF? Seriously?

I hope this is a typo on the site...

Do ANY of these names mean ANYTHING to whomever votes on the rankings?
Hozumi Hasegawa
David Haye
Vic Darchinyan
BCD
Nonito Donaire

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Well he does hold a win not that long ago over the P4P#6 Margarito.

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Let me ask you this.

PW beat Antonio Margarito. He never entered P4P top 10 status.

Antonio Margarito all of a sudden beats Miguel Cotto.

Now PW enters the top 10 ?

It doesn't make sense because PW is entering on behalf of Margarito's win over Cotto.

Not because Paul Williams has followed up on that win, hell no. Being took to school by Carlos Quintana is hardly following up.

It's just stupid IMO.

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How is it stupid to give Williams credit for beating a prime Margarito? You have a point about the Quintana loss, but he avenged that loss by demolishing Carlos in the rematch, so I'd say it's fair to put him in the top 10.

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Fair maybe, but there are other more deserving candidates.

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While Williams may not have dominated Margarito, it was a clear 8-4 type of win and I think that proves he is deserving of top 10 status.

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But other then Quintana who has he really beaten?....Of worth to be in the P4P....Many of the other names mentioned have defeated top ranked fighters again and again

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So? He was the same quality of fighter at the time, unless you think at 30 years of age he all of sudden had a big improvement over the year that past between the Williams and Cotto fights.

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Let me ask you this.

PW beat Antonio Margarito. He never entered P4P top 10 status.

Antonio Margarito all of a sudden beats Miguel Cotto.

Now PW enters the top 10 ?

It doesn't make sense because PW is entering on behalf of Margarito's win over Cotto.

Not because Paul Williams has followed up on that win, hell no. Being took to school by Carlos Quintana is hardly following up.

It's just stupid IMO.

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How is it stupid to give Williams credit for beating a prime Margarito? You have a point about the Quintana loss, but he avenged that loss by demolishing Carlos in the rematch, so I'd say it's fair to put him in the top 10.

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Antonio Margarito was probably just about top 20 P4P when Paul Williams beat him if that. What Antonio Margarito has done recently should not give Paul Williams a free pass in the top 10 P4P.

Like Leftylee just said Vic Darchinyan just dominated a top 6 P4P fighter, so why isn't he in the top 10 ? or why isn't Chad Dawson in the top 10 ? he has solid wins over Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, Eric Harding, Tomasz Adamek.

I'd like to know what Paul Williams has done to deserve to be rated above. Chad Dawson or Vic Darchinyan.

i think hes good

future p4p
but there are more ppl with better resume then he has and deserve it more and they aint even close the p4p list, he might even stay up there if he wins aganist phillps which wuold make him a two division champ.lol

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Vic doesn't deserve it more than him
Paul beat one of the p4p guys right now convincingly. He ko'ed Quintana in one round, he went up and ko'ed a middleweight in one round, he deserves a p4p ranking as much as any of the young guys, and more than Antonio.

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

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Because those guys (Hatton, Pavlik) got totally thrashed in one-sided affairs.. whereas Cotto was always in the fight with Margarito (he was clearly the more skillful fighter).

If Cotto rematched Margarito there's a chance he could win with slight alterations. NO-one could ever see Pavlik beating Hopkins and Ricky beating Floyd after their fights.

Cotto looks a much more talented fighter than either of those two as well. I think he deserves to be top 10 P4P.

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First, I don't think you keep a person in the top ten p4p because of how well they looked losing a fight unless you last 12 rounds and fight competitively and end up losing a very close decision to a top ten p4p fighter. I don't really know what is redeemable about getting knocked the f*ck out, losing by submission, or losing every single round.

Second, Cotto didn't look good losing. He submitted to Margarito; Margarito looked as if he hadn't even been in a fight afterward ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3UMnJqHba8 ). That's an argument for another day, however.

Third, PBF and Bhop were each in the top ten p4p when they fought; Margarito wasn't in the top ten when he fought Cotto. PBF was ranked #1 p4p when he beat Ricky. Bhop was ranked #5 when he beat Pavlik. Ricky and Pavlik lost to top ten p4p fighters and Cotto lost to an unranked fighter.

The point is there are fighters more deserving of top ten p4p status than Cotto or Pwill. As I mentioned earlier, two that come to mind are Vic and BCD.

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

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Because those guys (Hatton, Pavlik) got totally thrashed in one-sided affairs.. whereas Cotto was always in the fight with Margarito (he was clearly the more skillful fighter).

If Cotto rematched Margarito there's a chance he could win with slight alterations. NO-one could ever see Pavlik beating Hopkins and Ricky beating Floyd after their fights.

Cotto looks a much more talented fighter than either of those two as well. I think he deserves to be top 10 P4P.

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First, I don't think you keep a person in the top ten p4p because of how well they looked losing a fight unless you last 12 rounds and fight competitively and end up losing a very close decision to a top ten p4p fighter. I don't really know what is redeemable about getting knocked the f*ck out, losing by submission, or losing every single round.

Second, Cotto didn't look good losing. He submitted to Margarito; Margarito looked as if he hadn't even been in a fight afterward ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3UMnJqHba8 ). That's an argument for another day, however.

Third, PBF and Bhop were each in the top ten p4p when they fought; Margarito wasn't in the top ten when he fought Cotto. PBF was ranked #1 p4p when he beat Ricky. Bhop was ranked #5 when he beat Pavlik. Ricky and Pavlik lost to top ten p4p fighters and Cotto lost to an unranked fighter.

The point is there are fighters more deserving of top ten p4p status than Cotto or Pwill. As I mentioned earlier, two that come to mind are Vic and BCD.

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What Tony did to Cotto is just a testament to what he really has inside him...No one will ever mistake Tony for a master boxer...But his ability to take a punch, give a punch and just plain out fight is at times amazing.....

Doesn't matter how much more skill you have then the other guy technically...if you can not avoid him...and can not hurt him...you can not beat him.....

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I must disagree. Paul beat Margarito. Convincingly is very debatable and since that victory he lost to Quintana. The second time around, he beat Quintana convincingly, but Quintana is nowhere near a p4p fighter. He then moved up to middleweight and beat a glorified club fighter.

Vic just beat Mijares who was #7 on the p4p list (I think). By beating Mijares, he unified the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts in the 115 pound class. Vic deserves it more than Paul.

BCD has beat Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, and Tomaz Adamek (who is fighting for the CRUISER weight championship in December. BCD deserves it more than Paul.

Now, I don't understand why Cotto is still in the Ring list. Nothing against Cotto, I am a big fan, but Hatton's loss to PBF knocked him off the list and Pavlik's loss to Hopkins knocked him off the list - why didn't Cotto's loss to Margarito knock him off the list?

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Because those guys (Hatton, Pavlik) got totally thrashed in one-sided affairs.. whereas Cotto was always in the fight with Margarito (he was clearly the more skillful fighter).

If Cotto rematched Margarito there's a chance he could win with slight alterations. NO-one could ever see Pavlik beating Hopkins and Ricky beating Floyd after their fights.

Cotto looks a much more talented fighter than either of those two as well. I think he deserves to be top 10 P4P.

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First, I don't think you keep a person in the top ten p4p because of how well they looked losing a fight unless you last 12 rounds and fight competitively and end up losing a very close decision to a top ten p4p fighter. I don't really know what is redeemable about getting knocked the f*ck out, losing by submission, or losing every single round.

Second, Cotto didn't look good losing. He submitted to Margarito; Margarito looked as if he hadn't even been in a fight afterward ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3UMnJqHba8 ). That's an argument for another day, however.

Third, PBF and Bhop were each in the top ten p4p when they fought; Margarito wasn't in the top ten when he fought Cotto. PBF was ranked #1 p4p when he beat Ricky. Bhop was ranked #5 when he beat Pavlik. Ricky and Pavlik lost to top ten p4p fighters and Cotto lost to an unranked fighter.

The point is there are fighters more deserving of top ten p4p status than Cotto or Pwill. As I mentioned earlier, two that come to mind are Vic and BCD.

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First off.. fighters enter the top 10 P4P (using The Ring) without BEATING P4P fighters all the time. Examples in recent times - Pavlik, Calderon, Mirjares, Vasquez, Rafael Marquez and now currently Williams has sneaked on the list. Clearly.. you can become top 10 WITHOUT beating a top 10 fighter. SO.. losing to a fighter ranked outside the ten shouldn't really be a factor - depending on the performance and circumstances. Especially when that fighter is then put straight into the top 10 (Margarito-Cotto case).

Imagine the P4P in 1985 - Hagler-Hearns? Would Hearns be booted out for losing a GREAT three round fight?

In the first half Cotto was fighting well against Margarito. Unfortunately, for him, Margarito was too strong physically and mentally which overrode his apparent skill advantage. Cotto still left his mark on the contest. It was a great fight.

Finally.. there's no right or wrong with P4P. If you believe there's currently guys that are more deserving than, and would beat in a mythical match, Cotto/Williams - no one can PROVE you wrong. ;)

p4p rankings are a load of nonsense anyway but ofcourse Paul should be top 10. If you rate cotto and Margarito then for consistancys sake you have to rate Paul

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Margarito wasn't top ten P4P when he fought Williams.

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You guys realize leftylee pretty much shut down the;
PW has a win over Margarito theory when he posted the above?

You can't count the win over Margarito as a win over a P4P fighter because Margarito was NOT a p4p fighter when they fought.

I would def. have Vic or Haye at #10.

Vics captured titles on 2 div. and just beat a P4P fighter.
Haye was the universally recognized unified champ at cruiser.

They have both fought better opposition then PW.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Apparently he's been at #10 for 3 weeks now...

WTF? Seriously?

I hope this is a typo on the site...

Do ANY of these names mean ANYTHING to whomever votes on the rankings?
Hozumi Hasegawa
David Haye
Vic Darchinyan
BCD
Nonito Donaire

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I agree 100%

Paul Williams hasn't got the resume to be in the top 10 yet.

I feel Dawson, Haye and Vic are more deserving of the spot.