Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

Taylor is the mandatory but theres Bute and Kessler out there for him.
I personaly want to see hime smash up Taylor in the US and make a big statement then take it from there:cool:
I have no doubt he'd take Taylor inside the distance and the fact he fought Pascal with a cracked rib and had just got over a perforated ear drum and was cut a week ago in sparring just makes me think he can do it even more.
Froch/Hennessey want Calzaghe at catchweight but i'd forget all about that as he (Froch) to be fair still isn't box office in the eyes of Calzaghe (£$£$£$£) which is a shame as it'd be one hell of a tear-up and imo the toughest test Joe has out there at any weight.
What do you think..?

i hope he fights all the best guys out there , i mean hes already 31 ,
bring on Kessler etc , im not sure he can beat him but it should be exciting.

froch is in a great postion now. He has some great fights to make.. I agree he should go to the states and smash Taylor, that would give him the exposure. He then has a number of big fights which could be made, and with he size it would be no problem for him to step up to LH and fight Dawson at some point in his career..

He should fight Taylor at Madison Square Garden and the match should be televised on HBO.

Froch hasn't seen Taylor type speed.

Too early to predict a winner in that fight.

I don't see Taylor taking a fully fit Froch's power and Froch is a great finisher when he's got his man wobbled.
Gonna be interesting to see just how far he can go and i agree with Vienna that he could easily make the jump up in weight if he chose too as he's a big super middle.
Great times again for the UK scene:cool:

Froch could easily have a better record than calzaghe at SMW if he goes for the big fights in the next few years. I mean JC just didnt have the competition there, but now froch has got Kessler, Taylor, Bute, Andrade, Pavlik, Mundine all as possible oppenents.. Good times ahead..

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Taylor is the mandatory but theres Bute and Kessler out there for him.
I personaly want to see hime smash up Taylor in the US and make a big statement then take it from there:cool:
I have no doubt he'd take Taylor inside the distance and the fact he fought Pascal with a cracked rib and had just got over a perforated ear drum and was cut a week ago in sparring just makes me think he can do it even more.
Froch/Hennessey want Calzaghe at catchweight but i'd forget all about that as he (Froch) to be fair still isn't box office in the eyes of Calzaghe (£$£$£$£) which is a shame as it'd be one hell of a tear-up and imo the toughest test Joe has out there at any weight.
What do you think..?

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Smashup no offense but i don't get what you see in Carl Froch, that makes you think he could beat Jermain Taylor ETC. I like Carl Froch and im rooting for him all the way.

But he has a horrible defense his power isn't as good as everyone thought, and his speed is just mediocre. Yes he has a good chin and yes he showed a championship heart.

But his flaws are alarming and i think he would get whooped by Joe Calzaghe, and i think he would lose to Lucian Bute, Jermain Taylor ETC.

I just don't see anything special in him, of course im going to be rooting him all the way. But honestly i think he loses to most of the top boys, lets just remember Jean Pascal isn't no world beater.

Even though Jean Pascal himself showed a good chin and a championship heart, like Carl Froch. He is still limited himself and its not like he can hit as dangerous as some of the top Super Middleweights.

And he had Carl Froch in trouble many times, unless Carl Froch seriously improves on his defense then were going to have another British fighter. Losing his belt very shortly.

I would like to see Froch fight Andrade, Bute or Kessler

Ice....i just think Froch has a Naz like style that fighters hate to face and agree that Calzaghe would ruin him but Calzaghe would ruin anyone as he's on another level fitness,speed,recovery,skill and the ability to adjust to any style mid fight when needed BUT Taylor has either bored me silly (B-Hop snoozefests) or been exposed as a chinny charlatain.
The Pavlik fight proved this and Pavlik is predictable and fights in straight lines whereas Froch throws from all angles and would find taylor a sitting Duck and the word Duck springs to mind when mentioning some of the SM's in the division that were lined up to face Froch;)
Froch def has flaws and needs to fire off the jab way more but to be fair he was nursing a cracked rib and clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Bare that in mind and i think he looked v impressive.
I honestly think the two men who would test him the most are Calzaghe and Kessler.
All the rest i see Froch beating and the good news is that we WILL see him against some of these fighters next year!!
can't wait and there are some cracking bouts to be made for 2009 at SM!

I'd like to think that Froch will perform better next time out, dont get me wrong was a great tearup but as a performance it was far from what he and McCracken would have wanted. He got a bit excited in there and was blowing out of his arse after a few rounds, he settled down and boxed nicely at times but Pascal was always there and ready to crack him on the chin.

He wont get to fight Calzaghe so lets forget that, he'd get a lesson anyway ;D everyone else mentioned would make for good fights.

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Ice....i just think Froch has a Naz like style that fighters hate to face and agree that Calzaghe would ruin him but Calzaghe would ruin anyone as he's on another level fitness,speed,recovery,skill and the ability to adjust to any style mid fight when needed BUT Taylor has either bored me silly (B-Hop snoozefests) or been exposed as a chinny charlatain.
The Pavlik fight proved this and Pavlik is predictable and fights in straight lines whereas Froch throws from all angles and would find taylor a sitting Duck and the word Duck springs to mind when mentioning some of the SM's in the division that were lined up to face Froch;)
Froch def has flaws and needs to fire off the jab way more but to be fair he was nursing a cracked rib and clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Bare that in mind and i think he looked v impressive.
I honestly think the two men who would test him the most are Calzaghe and Kessler.
All the rest i see Froch beating and the good news is that we WILL see him against some of these fighters next year!!
can't wait and there are some cracking bouts to be made for 2009 at SM!

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Can't really argue with that solid post except i think your being a bit unfair to Jermain Taylor. I still think he would be a very hard test for Carl Froch. Jermain Taylor is highly skilled, has a solid jab. And is pretty fast.

He does have bad stamina problems which i think are caused, by nervous energy. I wouldn't really call him chinny, Kelly Pavlik no matter if he was exposed by Bernard Hopkins.

Doesn't change the fact he can still bang, and it was an accumulation of punishment that finished off Jermain Taylor.

I'll tell you who i am also a fan of in the Super Middleweight division. And thats Lucian Bute i think he is very highly skilled, and he just made a mistake trying to exchange with Librado Andrade in the last round.

But don't let that fool you, he was the first man to stop Kabary Salem. Who knocked down Joe Calzaghe heavily. He also handled Sakio Bika quite comfortably.

I think he would be a even tougher test for Carl Froch than Jermain Taylor would, i also would like to see how Carl Froch would handle an aggressive tough fighter like Sakio Bika or Librado Andrade.

But whoever he picks he really has a ton of names too choose from. All i know is that all his fights now must be of the highest quality, because he hasn't got time to waste his career fighting shit fighters, at 31.

Lastly i don't mind the low hand style some of my favorite fighters, used that style. But i think Carl Froch should hold his hands up a little higher, because he isn't quick enough to use that style against top quality opposition IMO.

To be honest I wasn't that impressed with Froch on Saturday. It was a great fight, but I had him just shading it at 115-113 against a guy who didn't look the finished article, whereas I'm not sure just how much he can improve. I think he would beat Mundine & I think he could pull it off against Taylor, if he follows what Pavlik did & punches him relentlessly.

However, all this talk of him against Calzaghe is stupid. Joe is only interested in big name fights, which is why he's not even sure about fighting Dawson, & I think Dawson & maybe Hopkins agen are the only fights there for him. I think he would beat Froch very comfortably.

Back to Froch, between him & Bute it just depends where it's fought, of course assuming it went the distance. UK = Froch win, Canada = Bute. I don't think Froch can beat Kessler simply because Kessler does things that little bit better. The one fighter I think he would struggle with the most is Andrade because I think that once he saw a guy walking through his punches, his gameplan would falter a bit as it did on saturday, & I'd fancy Andrade to knock him out.

another thing Froch really wants to unify the division, i think he will chase only the big fighs as he knows he's left things late.

I wasn't sure but recently have really began to click with Froch.

Forget the defence, he has that warrior-like will to win.

The eye of the tiger ! lol

Jermain Taylor-If he agrees to it.

My ranking of the current top super middleweights:

1. Kessler.
2. Bute
3. Taylor
4. Andrade
5. Bika
6. Froch
7. Mundine

Credit to Froch for his win this weekend. Pascal may not be at the top of the division, but he is no slouch. With that said, Froch has difficulty with anyone ranked above him.

Kessler is the best by a decent margin, but I want to see Kessler in the ring with a titlist to confirm that assessment. Bute is highly skilled, but I'm curious whether Andrade took something out of him. Taylor is coming off a good win over Lacy and has the most experience of the list, but the experience is at middleweight. Andrade has limited talent, but is relentless and has a granite chin. Bika is a proven warrior and is steadily improving, but he has a record of losing against top competition (Calzaghe, Bute, and Soliman). Froch is the newcomer of the bunch on the world stage, and is coming off a great win, but he has yet to prove himself as an elite. Mundine may move down to middleweight and I doubt he is sincerely interested in stepping up his level of competiton.

As of now, Taylor is Froch's mandatory, but for some odd reason Taylor is looking north to Bute rather than across the pond to Froch for his next match (Carl Froch Defends in April, Against Jermain Taylor? - Boxing News).

Froch should fight Bika if Taylor fights Bute. Bika is a legitimate challenge and holds the IBF strap. Froch isn't ready for Kessler - at least not with his hands down style. If he gets by Bika, which I doubt, he holds two major belts, and has a rightful claim to a big match against the winner of Taylor v. Bute or Kessler.

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

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What is Jermain's style of fight?

I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

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Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

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What is Jermain's style of fight?

I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

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carls predominently a slow starter that takes time to work his opponent out.

But as soon as he realised taylors method of fighting straight lines Froch would box taylors head off and maybe even force a late stoppage.

That win saturday was one of the most impressive performances from a british fighter this year and froch is worthy of the kudos he`ll rightfully receive for it.

To be honest next for the cobra should be get back to the gym and work on his defence, I was surprised at how easy a slow Robin Reid could tag him and Pascal had no trouble finding the target either. As much as I loved saturdays fight I can't see him beating Kessler or Taylor, Pavlik stopped Taylor but Taylor learned his lesson and has improved, also Im not convinced Frochs power is all its made out to be, I think he should go for Bute next, this would be a huge win for him IF he could pull it off...

I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

Miranda?
Berrio?
Lacy?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

Miranda?
Berrio?
Lacy?

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Oh, please, let it be Miranda!!!! Pretty Please!!!

Left Hand that hangs by the knee. Fighter is slow to get up hand and doesn't roll his shoulder properly. Puncher with huge overhand right. Hmmm....see where this is going. ;D

I want to see carl move onto a unification, he needs big names as quick as possible. the fight was awesome, i do admit carl needs to work on his defence, but hes always throwing one back. I think he was always in control in the Pascal fight and he looked like he really does belong at the 168 elite.

I want to see him fight Bute or Kessler next, both would be very entertaining fights and I would back my man the whole way !

the Taylor vs Lacy fight was a WBC eliminator so i guess we should be seeing a Taylor. fight though i wouldnt mind a Kessler fight but i doubt he (kessler) would take it.

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I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

Miranda?
Berrio?
Lacy?

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Oh, please, let it be Miranda!!!! Pretty Please!!!

Left Hand that hangs by the knee. Fighter is slow to get up hand and doesn't roll his shoulder properly. Puncher with huge overhand right. Hmmm....see where this is going. ;D

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As Miranda has neither a granite chin nor impenetrable defense, that would be a compelling fight. The only thing I'd be certain of would be that it would not go the distance.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

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Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

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I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

Miranda?
Berrio?
Lacy?

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Oh, please, let it be Miranda!!!! Pretty Please!!!

Left Hand that hangs by the knee. Fighter is slow to get up hand and doesn't roll his shoulder properly. Puncher with huge overhand right. Hmmm....see where this is going. ;D

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As Miranda has neither a granite chin nor impenetrable defense, that would be a compelling fight. The only thing I'd be certain of would be that it would not go the distance.

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Froch could certainly spark Miranda if he lands first. This fight would be over in three rounds. I would actually give a slight edge to Froch. Froch is a better boxer by a good amount, but his bigger flaw playing right into Miranda's greatest strength. That makes it interesting, and Froch find himself sparked very easily.

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Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

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Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

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Taylor completely outworked Bhop in that 1st fight and yet only took a close decision because he failed to impress the judges later on in the rounds.

You dont see that with froch, he doesnt have to throw it all out their during a contest because he`s able to pick his moments consistently well and force mistakes out of his opponents rather than go looking for them as taylor does.

ok so everyday of the week may of been a bit harsh on my part. I just think if the fight was ever going to happen unless it was under a cortez type ref who would wanna break up frochs work pattern whenever possible carl would do enough to ensure he doesnt get himself caught on the ropes or forced into an all out slugout which taylor would win 9/10

He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

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He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

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you dont think much of our english boy do you???

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Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

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What is Jermain's style of fight?

I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

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carls predominently a slow starter that takes time to work his opponent out.

But as soon as he realised taylors method of fighting straight lines Froch would box taylors head off and maybe even force a late stoppage.

That win saturday was one of the most impressive performances from a british fighter this year and froch is worthy of the kudos he`ll rightfully receive for it.

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don't mistake entertaining for impressive. Defensively he was awful, and couldn't counter the wild shots coming his way. He showed OK stamina, a good chin, decent (but in no way devastating) power.

The question is whether this is enough to compete with the top guys, Taylor at 168 is still an unproven commodity so hard to say. Bute may be fragile enough to get to, but he's a decent boxer and could easily UD Froch in Canada. Bika and Andrade are interesting, guys with similar attributes to Froch. Andrade may be an even worse boxer, but has better stamina, it should be fun finding out.

Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it ;D

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Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

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How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

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Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

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How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

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I'm holding you to the comparison with Joe Calzaghe. :o Froch is no Joe.

I'm curious - besides being British, in what other ways are they comparable?

Pascal is no journeyman. He is a top twenty/thirty smw in a pretty deep division. But, he is Froch's biggest victory.

Taylor has a more proven record...at middleweight. Still, some of that experience has to translate to 168. Froch is untested - he hasn't been in the ring with Winkie, Bhop, or Pavlik. In addition, as expected, Taylor dominated Lacy in his last fight. Thus, I don't see the "steady decline." He lost to Pavlik twice. But, that's it. So what, he lost to the middleweight champion of the world. At this moment, my money is on Taylor if they fight.

I'd like to see Froch fight Bika. My gut tells me Bika would light him up, but Froch fought a good fight this last weekend and I may be way off the mark.

Froch may outbox Andrade. Outbox him in a different way than Bute, but outbox him much the same, and unlike Bute, Froch's chin would hold up.

As long as Bute isn't negatively affected by the knockout in his last fight, Bute would box circles around Froch.

Kessler would dominate Froch.

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Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

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How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

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Why the allegiance to Mundine? The guy is a c*nt.

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I don't see Taylor taking a fully fit Froch's power and Froch is a great finisher when he's got his man wobbled.
Gonna be interesting to see just how far he can go and i agree with Vienna that he could easily make the jump up in weight if he chose too as he's a big super middle.
Great times again for the UK scene:cool:

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You and Tam need to calm down on Froch, his power looked meicocre on Saturday, he landed alot of his big shots on Pascal and Pascal fought wreckless and very open for someone with a poor chin against a supposed power puncher.

Also I dont see him being anywhere near the threat that Dawson is for Joe, in and around Joes weight, at least Dawson can fight at a pace with speed and accuracy, something Froch lacks.

I dont see Taylor as a threat to any of the top super middles, hes not strong enough, Cory spinks and Kasim Ouma both gave him a tough fight and both are light hitting welters;D

If Froch wants to make a statement he should fight kessler.

If he was nevous fighting the untested at world level with a shaky chin and open defence Pascal, hed be shiitting a brick V Kessler;D

If Joe had fought Pascal and looked like Froch did, wed all be saying its deffinitly time for Joe to retire but this is the best that Frcoh can hope for at 31 I spose;D

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Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it ;D

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I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

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Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it ;D

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I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

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Are you taking the piss? ;D

You're classing unbeaten prospects as journeymen?

A journeyman is a fighter that has failed at top level - to make it to the top - and spends his career racking up losses against unbeaten prospect types.

Amost EVERY fighter on the way up builds their record on nobodies/journeymen. Their standing in boxing is determined by what happens when they get to the top.

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I don't see Taylor taking a fully fit Froch's power and Froch is a great finisher when he's got his man wobbled.
Gonna be interesting to see just how far he can go and i agree with Vienna that he could easily make the jump up in weight if he chose too as he's a big super middle.
Great times again for the UK scene:cool:

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You and Tam need to calm down on Froch, his power looked meicocre on Saturday, he landed alot of his big shots on Pascal and Pascal fought wreckless and very open for someone with a poor chin against a supposed power puncher.

Also I dont see him being anywhere near the threat that Dawson is for Joe, in and around Joes weight, at least Dawson can fight at a pace with speed and accuracy, something Froch lacks.

I dont see Taylor as a threat to any of the top super middles, hes not strong enough, Cory spinks and Kasim Ouma both gave him a tough fight and both are light hitting welters;D

If Froch wants to make a statement he should fight kessler.

If he was nevous fighting the untested at world level with a shaky chin and open defence Pascal, hed be shiitting a brick V Kessler;D

If Joe had fought Pascal and looked like Froch did, wed all be saying its deffinitly time for Joe to retire but this is the best that Frcoh can hope for at 31 I spose;D

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Some good points, especially the last one.