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What a useless religion.
have you watched the kite runner?
No more useless than the other ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
No, they ARE more useless than all other religions combined. Christians, hindus, buddhists, etc, don't go around killing those who don't share the same views and beliefs.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Tell that to the victims families of the Atlanta bombing,or the Chicago Shootings,or the Jewish Day Care shootings
And thats just off the top of my head in America
Well I agree completely with Von the Muslims are completely nuts. Did you even read the article? :confused:
Since when has a US man been sentenced to death by the United States government for converting to Islam or a student tried for his life becuase he questioned womans rights under Christianity?
These hard line fundamentalist Arabic countries are fucking loons and are far worse than any other religion.
None of those killings were sanctioned and organised by the US governement and the head of the Christian churches in the US though Monkey and THAT'S the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Tell that to the victims families of the Atlanta bombing,or the Chicago Shootings,or the Jewish Day Care shootings
And thats just off the top of my head in America
There are nutters in every religion sure, but in Islam the nutters also rule those countries.
We're just getting over that here,thank you,because Mr Crusade has finally gotten tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNone of those killings were sanctioned and organised by the US governement and the head of the Christian churches in the US though Monkey and THAT'S the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Tell that to the victims families of the Atlanta bombing,or the Chicago Shootings,or the Jewish Day Care shootings
And thats just off the top of my head in America
There are nutters in every religion sure, but in Islam the nutters also rule those countries.
Replaced by another Christian in point of fact,but a slightly less nuts one.
Quick,name a non-Christian American President
How many US citizens did George Bush sentence to death because they converted to Islam or made a translation of the Bible into anoter language?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWe're just getting over that here,thank you,because Mr Crusade has finally gotten tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNone of those killings were sanctioned and organised by the US governement and the head of the Christian churches in the US though Monkey and THAT'S the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
There are nutters in every religion sure, but in Islam the nutters also rule those countries.
Replaced by another Christian in point of fact,but a slightly less nuts one.
Quick,name a non-Christian American President
You seriously cannot even compare the two. What about that British woman school teacher late last year who was sentenced to 40 lashes becuase she named a school teddy bear Muhammad?
You are defending an undefendable point the differences between Christian tolerance (in fact any religion) and Islamic tolerance is night and day.
Trainer would you for one fucking second just take a good hard look at W and tell me he is more evil than a culture that stones rape VICTIMS to death?!?!?!
It's not like Pat Robertson was President or Jerry Falwell or those sorry ass motherfuckers who think we got attacked on 9/11 because America doesn't try to punish homosexuals or teach them to be not gay.....even those assholes don't compare to the hardcore muslims....maybe if they had total power somewhere then yeah but right now it's not even close. America isn't even in the same freaking Universe as those crazy bastards.
And I tend to agree with the dude from Generation Kill..."All the world's problems are caused by a lack of people getting laid"
Someone with common sense :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You mean carpet bombing an entire country of people that had never attacked us isnt evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
What an interesting definition of evil you have
Really,you mean like forcing children to handle poisonous snakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHow many US citizens did George Bush sentence to death because they converted to Islam or made a translation of the Bible into anoter language?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWe're just getting over that here,thank you,because Mr Crusade has finally gotten tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Replaced by another Christian in point of fact,but a slightly less nuts one.
Quick,name a non-Christian American President
You seriously cannot even compare the two. What about that British woman school teacher late last year who was sentenced to 40 lashes becuase she named a school teddy bear Muhammad?
You are defending an undefendable point the differences between Christian tolerance (in fact any religion) and Islamic tolerance is night and day.
Because thats quite common in the south
All based on one obscure tract in the Bible,if your morally righteous the logic goes,god will protect you,if you get bit,something was wrong with you.
Or do you mean forcing women to wear face covering hoods,and allways keep your eyes downcast like the Amish do?
Maybe the multiple wives of the Mormons upset you
Trainer you are a fucking moron.....I'm from the South, I haven't seen ANYONE be forced to handle poisonous snakes! Sure there are crazy ass people who speak in tongues and all that crap but NEWSFLASH they aren't the majority and they don't hold control of large geo-political areas unlike our buddies the sharia law practicing muslims.
As for bombing a country....that's war, it's political and not in the name of God on our side maybe because that is blasphemy to most folks
Well first off the carpet bombing of a country might be evil but its nothing to do with religion whatseover. Bush didn't go to war for Christ so why is that even relevent? All the churces were opposed to the war as I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyReally,you mean like forcing children to handle poisonous snakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHow many US citizens did George Bush sentence to death because they converted to Islam or made a translation of the Bible into anoter language?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
You seriously cannot even compare the two. What about that British woman school teacher late last year who was sentenced to 40 lashes becuase she named a school teddy bear Muhammad?
You are defending an undefendable point the differences between Christian tolerance (in fact any religion) and Islamic tolerance is night and day.
Because thats quite common in the south
All based on one obscure tract in the Bible,if your morally righteous the logic goes,god will protect you,if you get bit,something was wrong with you.
Or do you mean forcing women to wear face covering hoods,and allways keep your eyes downcast like the Amish do?
Maybe the multiple wives of the Mormons upset you
As for your other frankly ridiculous comments since when has the compulsary handling of deadly snakes been an official part of US law?
And since when have the Amish killed and imprisoned their fellow Americans for not following the Amish traditions?
Actually your stupid examples in fact only go to highlight how America is MORE tolerent becuase these fringe minority groups are allowed to carry out their lives and live their religious beliefs unmolested by the American government.
If the Amish moved into Iran they would all be rounded up, tortured, stoned and then killed for their beliefs which differed from the Quran.
How can you not see the sheer insanity of what you are saying ;D
Funny because thats not what Bush said,what Bush said was we were "On a crusade" and that "God chose me for this job"Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell first off the carpet bombing of a country might be evil but its nothing to do with religion whatseover. Bush didn't go to war for Christ so why is that even relevent? All the churces were opposed to the war as I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyReally,you mean like forcing children to handle poisonous snakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Because thats quite common in the south
All based on one obscure tract in the Bible,if your morally righteous the logic goes,god will protect you,if you get bit,something was wrong with you.
Or do you mean forcing women to wear face covering hoods,and allways keep your eyes downcast like the Amish do?
Maybe the multiple wives of the Mormons upset you
As for your other frankly ridiculous comments since when has the compulsary handling of deadly snakes been an official part of US law?
And since when have the Amish killed and imprisoned their fellow Americans for not following the Amish traditions?
Actually your stupid examples in fact only go to highlight how America is MORE tolerent becuase these fringe minority groups are allowed to carry out their lives and live their religious beliefs unmolested by the American government.
If the Amish moved into Iran they would all be rounded up, tortured, stoned and then killed for their beliefs which differed from the Quran.
How can you not see the sheer insanity of what you are saying ;D
Those are tiny groups of people.....and you know maybe if the Amish used buttons they wouldn't be so irrationalQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
And since I know you dont know Bilbo,if you break Amish law,your "Shunned" it means with no training on how to deal with the real world,your cut off from everyone youve ever known,forever.All your friends,all of your family,you cease to exist.
All things considered,stoning might be kinder,at least it doesnt last as long,same result,shorter duration of punishment
Tiny groups?most of Pennsylvania and a good chunk of Ohio is owned by the AmishQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleThose are tiny groups of people.....and you know maybe if the Amish used buttons they wouldn't be so irrationalQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Yep they take the cake these days for sure. Behind in so many ways, not all are nuts but we know where Tm is comming from, we all share the death before dishoner thing and it has spilled over into every religion.Religions usually turn on their own for being slightly different,most have, except a few loverly southwest aisian and some Indian ones.
Christain comes a close second today but probably has the numbers to be the all time winners for over all kills from the Roman take over of it.They didnt fuk around either for centuries they killed hundreds of thousands of people who were of any threat to thier power through their Chirstian religious means. The modern day Christian church and its book is built on mass murder. Moses culled people too.
Muslims are now like that same ancient mentality that the leading Christains once had. Now they too also want to spread it through the world at the expense of all others;they dont realise it is at their own ultimate expence because they havent spiritually matured enough to be living outside of their thoughts and fears yet so they are miles behind in any religious game.
We cull in different ways now,we cant afford to be blatent i front of world courts and the freedom we purport to uphold.
It has nothing to do with religion any more though,the leaders of our countries go to church and say they act in faith and for man kind and blah blah blah but its false, they are demons in the making.
Its power over others and power over the nature of planet earth is what they crave under the guise of serving a few in the name of freedom.
World banking funds allow nations to starve and go banckrupt ; until they sign over their natural resourses and sign for overseas takeovers in industry etc then the money and power brokers that really stand behind the puppets we all vote in, form a bail out package so that the front shop look like they are Christian in their deeds. Hahaha.You wouldnt belive what they will get up to next.
Musilums are the least of our worries.
And my main point was,obviously missed,if your going to climb up on your high horse in a religious dispute,best to make sure there arent any slips on your climb up.
We have numerous Islaam allies,and we have some muslims that cant stand us.
Feeling is obviously mutual,judging from this thread.
And its stupid,its a minor schism from the same religion,Muslims claim their lineage from Abraham,same as Jews and Christians
And all three have done some seriously screwed up stuff in the name of god.
And until some religion actually claims the moral higher ground in deeds,all three are full of shit,but wallowing in the same level of muck.
I dont want to be doing care work in Gaza and hit by an Israeli missile(jews) going to work when a plane hits the building(muslim) or enjoying the Olympics when the bomb goes off(Christian)
Until all three religions get way better aim,and leave those of us who are out of it alone,knock it the fuck off.
It's also funny that you omitted that he said "Death to the infidels" oh wait those were the muslims......also I bet you could ask a million Americans about the Crusades and none of them could name a participant or a battle that was fought in any of them.....as opposed to the culture of the Middle East where they go to their hooka bars and drink coffee and tell tales of how King Richard slaughtered hundreds at Acre.....oh Islam is just oppressed by everyone boo fucking whoo....you know even before Islam those Middle Easterners were a bellicose society but are we allowed to talk about that??? NOOOOOO because people like Trainer here think that WE the western world are ALWAYS the problem and never the solution and I beg you to look across history and prove me wrong....prove that we the western world picked these fights....because as far back as you can go, I can go a little farther and show that THEY have always started shit no matter their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
You could come up with a moment when we were the solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleIt's also funny that you omitted that he said "Death to the infidels" oh wait those were the muslims......also I bet you could ask a million Americans about the Crusades and none of them could name a participant or a battle that was fought in any of them.....as opposed to the culture of the Middle East where they go to their hooka bars and drink coffee and tell tales of how King Richard slaughtered hundreds at Acre.....oh Islam is just oppressed by everyone boo fucking whoo....you know even before Islam those Middle Easterners were a bellicose society but are we allowed to talk about that??? NOOOOOO because people like Trainer here think that WE the western world are ALWAYS the problem and never the solution and I beg you to look across history and prove me wrong....prove that we the western world picked these fights....because as far back as you can go, I can go a little farther and show that THEY have always started shit no matter their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I could but,Im curious to see if you can
And by the way,nice set of stereotypes,Im sure you also believe all french people smoke cigarettes while eating croisantes and sipping coffee
All African Americans cant wait to get their fried chicken washed down with a 40 weight
All native americans cant weight to get their hands on some whiskey
Ireland doesnt have GDP because everybody is still sleeping it off
Poland doesnt have a GDP because nobody is smart enough to find the factory
Any other stereotypes youd like to hit while we're working at it
As I wrote above; anyone who goes for power or control over others has missed the boat in their own religion and are not of Gods doing or on the side of good or whatever you want to call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Even if they claim to be so,they are not doing work from the light side so they are the reverse.They derive power from the other side of the fence.Until they open their hearts their insane minds and egos will rule this place and take us out with their acts.
Religion is their front!
I'm going to ignore the rest of your absurd rant because I can't be bothered to argue with you and your particular brand of lunacy, but characterizing all Muslims as religious zealots who cry "death to the infidels" is ridiculous. That's like saying every African-American is a member of the Black Panthers dedicated to overthrowing the government or that all southerners are in the Klan. It's a very small percentage of their population who feel that way and those in power use religion as a political tool; it has very little, if anything, to do with the religion itself. Christians etc. have done the same thing in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleIt's also funny that you omitted that he said "Death to the infidels" oh wait those were the muslims......also I bet you could ask a million Americans about the Crusades and none of them could name a participant or a battle that was fought in any of them.....as opposed to the culture of the Middle East where they go to their hooka bars and drink coffee and tell tales of how King Richard slaughtered hundreds at Acre.....oh Islam is just oppressed by everyone boo fucking whoo....you know even before Islam those Middle Easterners were a bellicose society but are we allowed to talk about that??? NOOOOOO because people like Trainer here think that WE the western world are ALWAYS the problem and never the solution and I beg you to look across history and prove me wrong....prove that we the western world picked these fights....because as far back as you can go, I can go a little farther and show that THEY have always started shit no matter their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
This is the end of my involvement in this thread, enjoy yourselves.
Sorry again remind which Christian government it was who set off bombs at the Olympics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
If any of the three actually followed their own holy books,I wouldnt view them the way I do,a bloody fucking nuisance.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreAs I wrote above; anyone who goes for power or control over others has missed the boat in their own religion and are not of Gods doing or on the side of good or whatever you want to call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Even if they claim to be so,they are not doing work from the light side so they are the reverse.They derive power from the other side of the fence.Until they open their hearts their insane minds and egos will rule this place and take us out with their acts.
Religion is their front!
But they dont,and I do
And hearing any of them claim the moral high ground just pisses me off on the general principle of honesty
We've set off plenty in IraqQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboSorry again remind which Christian government it was who set off bombs at the Olympics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
He said enjoying the olympics nota bombing at the olympics.Figure of speach I thik.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSorry again remind which Christian government it was who set off bombs at the Olympics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Like we all have this farce of brotherly unity when competing against each other country to country but then some fukker (christain gov or muslem gov) drops a fukin bomb on their relatives heads...
Both have issues none of them is on the side of Good . really fuk if any of you belive that ...well; Im shocked for you.
Trainer, I didn't stereotype anyone, I just mentioned one (OF MANY) activities practiced by the people of this culture....an activity I actually wish more cultures participated in, just not to the extent that we wish people killed in the name of God. I just don't appreciate the stoning of victims and cutting off innocent people's heads in the name of Allah. I also don't support hanging the massacred bodies of innocent workers from a bridge....also in the name of Allah. Tell me I'm wrong TrainerQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I don't THINK the western culture has a bunch to offer, I KNOW we have a bunch to offer. I just wonder where is the outrage for these tragedies???
Also....Trainer, did I ever tell you about the War of Northern Aggression?
Where is the outrage at the absolute homicides committed by Western religions,because there's plenty of them to work with?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleTrainer, I didn't stereotype anyone, I just mentioned one (OF MANY) activities practiced by the people of this culture....an activity I actually wish more cultures participated in, just not to the extent that we wish people killed in the name of God. I just don't appreciate the stoning of victims and cutting off innocent people's heads in the name of Allah. I also don't support hanging the massacred bodies of innocent workers from a bridge....also in the name of Allah. Tell me I'm wrong TrainerQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I don't THINK the western culture has a bunch to offer, I KNOW we have a bunch to offer. I just wonder where is the outrage for these tragedies???
If some jackass hunts down an abortion clinic worker and blows their brains out,I bet you I dont hear about it 24/7 on Faux News,some jackass who happens to be muslim sends a firecracker in to Israel,I know whats going to dominate the news cycle for the next week
Lyle and Bilb, I owe you guys reps.
I'm not even sure how TM can even BEGIN to compare ANY religion to Islam. Yes there are crazies everywhere, but Muslims take the cake. They are fucking bonkers.
You're comparing guys like Eric Robert Rudolph and Muslims??? Keep going, I think you are REALLY helping their cause ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Why not,there are nut jobs on both sides of the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleYou're comparing guys like Eric Robert Rudolph and Muslims??? Keep going, I think you are REALLY helping their cause ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Im Buddhist,I could care less if all three of the perps got closed in to a stadium for a death war,and kept me the fuck out of it,but since that isnt how life works,put down your stones,the whole house is made of glass Mr Christian
But Trainer the point I think we're all trying to make to you is.....in one culture somebody like Timmothy McVeigh is seen as a complete nutter and murderer and in another culture someone who blows themself up and kills a bunch of others (infidels) in the process is a martyr.
I have little use for religion but after multiple combat tours to Afghanistan and Iraq I have found that in today's world Islam brings out the worst in humanity. Every organized religion has its fair share of crazies and zealots. The difference I've found is that the mainstream of most denounce these fringe groups and their violent or inhumane acts. I have either never or rarely heard of moderate or "good" muslims speak out against the violence and inhumane treatment of sharia law. With the growth of Islam especially in European countries where is the world wide outcry against Jihadism and Sharia Law? The international community was pretty quick to galvanize in their dislike for Bush where is the condemnation of Iran? Taliban? Shia Militias? AQI? There is no diplomacy with this kind of rational. There is no dialogue. Christianity and Judaism have found ways to make their respective religions work with todays culture. Until Islam as a whole can find away to evolve with a changing world I think I will continue to have muslims in my crosshairs.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Our former Attorney General swabbed himself with Crisco before taking the oath of Senator
And then proceeded as Attorney General to set up a way we could torture people legally
Their pissed off at us for political reasons,not religious ones. It has nothing to do with their god and our god,it has alot to do with us dropping bombs on them.
Funny the hard right has been trying to make those lunatics at Waco martyrs for years nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Trainer personally I don't think that enemy combatants deserve the same rights as US citizens nor do I think we should follow any rules of war that our adversary doesn't. I'll take torture at Gitmo over decapitation on Al Jazeera all day. And you are right to an extent. The big picture isn't always about religion. It is about power and money. But the tool used to recruit and motivate men and women to murder and commit horrible acts is religion. Islam's supreme leaders could stop this. They could be widely vocal against jihadism but they don't. The world's muslim population is woefully silent on the unattractive underside of their faith.