Does Chris Rock tell non-race related jokes??

I know the guy is huge in america and amongst black communitys all over the world but having just watched back to back "everybody hates chris" episodes ive come to the conclusion the guy either has one massive chip on his shoulder that he just cant shake or exploits peoples racist indescretions to make a profit.

Every single gag within the show is either making fun at white people for working too hard or black people for being too lazy. Isnt america post obamas win supposed to be this now liberated country free of racial stereotypes :-(

What pisses me off even more is that though he commonly accepts within his show that the black men within his area were lazy bums the white overacheiver gets the biggest rap for.....well doing too well for himself.

I also find that the whole ethos of the show is based around a young black kid being held back at every single turn by the white man yet his endless racial slurs leave you wondering how the hell someone so god-damn racist can complain.

Now before any of you crazy crackers (see what i did there) come off all preachy with me about it just being a show let me please refer you to every other bit of comedy this guy has every performed and how he clearly has no racial tolerance whatsoever!!!





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Don't get me started, the double standard is ridiculous....A white guy makes a comment about black people and if it's anything that could be percieved as negative then that white guy is a "racist" or a "bigot".....however a black guy can drop the n-word 50 times during a comedy bit or a rap song and calls white people "whitey" or "cracker" and everything is ok.

Chris Rock, although he can be funny is hung up on race and politics


This is why I think this is funnier than Chris Rock....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRK5rU1ZPJc

In comedy I think anything should go. I think there is too much PC bullshit generally and a free language is better than one that is constantly policed for correctness. I see nothing wrong with racial jokes.

Mate, I'm sorry but you should see some of the jokes that white comedians make at black comedy shows, they would be construed as very racist by some, but guess what? A room FULL of black people is pissin themselves laughin at dem. By and large, we're not the ones gettin over-sensitive about jokes about us. All we ask is that they're actually funny, & not just weak & crude. The Bernard Manning style 'there was a black bloke then he ran in an alley & I couldn't see him' shit is just old.

With the Chris Rock thing, its comedy, its not like there isnt SOME truth to the things he says, and I think it could seem like you have a chip on your shoulder the way you bring this 'black people are racist' stuff up. Seriously, I've heard some racist jokes that I thought were fuckin hilarious, all it ha to be is actually clever. Chris Rock's stuff is clever, and I certainly see some characters in that show who are just like people I've met in real life.

Lyle

If it makes you feel better you can call ME a n*gga, coz it seems you have some kind of need to want to get out the words. Yes, there is a double standard, but there isn't really a word for white people that makes them feel so denigrated & worthless as slurs like nigger, paki or half-breed do for ethnic minorities. Also the context of words is important, the Real Madrid fans who were makin monkey chants at me as I went to a football match over there were clearly doin it because of my race. When Howard Cosell called the NFL player a monkey in that incident that lost him his job, he was NOT bein racist, as he had said the same about white players. That was political correctness gone too far, and most black people don't like it when that happens, but if there's a word you're not sure if its ok to say, the easiest thing to do is to NOT say it. Then no one can accuse you of anything. No one can control what you think. Also Lyle it seems Chris Rock's favourite topics for comedy are quite closely alligned with your own interests ;)

I normally don't like to get involved in these thread coz they just piss me off & that ain't why I come here, but honestly when comedians can't have license to offend then shit has gone too far. I never gave a shit about Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson makin their jokes, I just chose to think they were cunts & not bother to watch them, I don't want them banned.

Jaz, I don't mean to piss you off or anything , I just (like most people) want some clarification and some of the same standards set for all PEOPLE regardless of race, ethnicity, culture, religion, etc.

While I like politics and I like to laugh at cultural differences every now and then I don't usually try and mix them...I liked Birbiglia's stuff because it's making light of a situation white people are put in when they laugh at stuff that comedians like Chris Rock put out, it's ridiculous and doesn't seem to make sense when put into the context of every day life and that makes me laugh, it's pointing out the double standard and how ridiculous it is.

I can't watch youtube at work so I can't comment on that videa, and Lyle despite your views, I actually don't think you're one of the posters I would consider racist as I think you're just honest with your opinions. To be honest, I don't like affirmative action programs or anything like that even though I do think ethnic minorities find it more difficult getting a job because of their background. The fact is those programs too often punish the wrong people & create a prejudice in their minds that never existed.

I prefer Chris Rock's stuff as he has situations that can be related to. He also is aware that black people can be racist as shown in one of his shows where he talks about his racist uncle. One thing I really can't stand is black comedians doing sketches that have a lot of racism that people (often ultra-leftwing white people) would consider racist were it a white comedian doing it.

Like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2D-WPRYwF0

if u dont like it dont watch it , personally i couldnt give a fuck who says wot about who.

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In comedy I think anything should go. I think there is too much PC bullshit generally and a free language is better than one that is constantly policed for correctness. I see nothing wrong with racial jokes.

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mate i own every single chubby brown, bernard manning dvd there is to own and they are just about the 2 sickest comedians out there who go out of their way to offend everyone......and i love the fat fuckers for it.


But if chris rock is allowed to make a racial slur or connatation about white people on a regular and consistent basis that gets aired on prime time tv to women, men and children alike then how the hell can someone complain when the guy from seinfield gets a little bit too carried away at a live show??

thats just double standards!!!

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In comedy I think anything should go. I think there is too much PC bullshit generally and a free language is better than one that is constantly policed for correctness. I see nothing wrong with racial jokes.

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mate i own every single chubby brown, bernard manning dvd there is to own and they are just about the 2 sickest comedians out there who go out of their way to offend everyone......and i love the fat fuckers for it.


But if chris rock is allowed to make a racial slur or connatation about white people on a regular and consistent basis that gets aired on prime time tv to women, men and children alike then how the hell can someone complain when the guy from seinfield gets a little bit too carried away at a live show??

thats just double standards!!!

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I agree completely. There are double standards and I think it's bollocks. I think that ALL comedians should be able to make the jokes they want. Unfortunately the media and television is controlled by a bunch of PC wankers who will dictate what is considered as acceptable or appropriate. They are hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by miles

In comedy I think anything should go. I think there is too much PC bullshit generally and a free language is better than one that is constantly policed for correctness. I see nothing wrong with racial jokes.

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mate i own every single chubby brown, bernard manning dvd there is to own and they are just about the 2 sickest comedians out there who go out of their way to offend everyone......and i love the fat fuckers for it.


But if chris rock is allowed to make a racial slur or connatation about white people on a regular and consistent basis that gets aired on prime time tv to women, men and children alike then how the hell can someone complain when the guy from seinfield gets a little bit too carried away at a live show??

thats just double standards!!!

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He started callin an audience member a nigger that is totally different to making a witty play on how we all react to race. Do you think kids really watch Chris Rock & go join the Nation of Islam. :rolleyes:

That show makes fun of a lot of stereotypes about black people as well. You have all the Bernard Manning dvds but obviously can't stand it when the shoe is on the other foot. Seriously, you can't say that Bernard Manning's comedy is ok, but for some reason Chris Rock's isn't.

Here is more on the Michael Richards incident to show it was not him taking any kind of comedic license rather just bein racially abusive to audience members who responded to him takin da piss

Michael Richards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only 2 stand up comedians to receive widespread backlash in the last 40 years due to their 'material' were Andrew Dice Clay and Eddie Murphy, and in Clay's case it was for jokes pertaining to sexism and not racism, and Eddie it was simply for his vulgar language. As Miles pointed out, in comedy, anything goes. Nick DiPaulo, Jim Norton, and the legendary Don Rickles are three of the funniest comedians in comedy and they make Black jokes all the time, and it's accepted just as when Chris Rock makes White jokes, because they're all funny, so if anyone can please give me an example of a white comedian being crucified for making black jokes please do so, otherwise please get your facts straight, thanks;)

It must be pretty fun being Chris rock.

Every time I see him in a film he seems to spend the vast majority of it being amazed by the fact that he is black.

I'm guessing he must have been this way since birth... must never be a dull moment for him.

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a white comedian being crucified for making black jokes please do so, otherwise please get your facts straight, thanks;)

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Put it this way - how many top white comedians make black jokes?
Do you think there's possibly a reason for that? It's not like there isn't a wealth of material and opportunities for them to do so.... proven by the fact that the majority of black comedians make up the majority of their work from just that.

I have no problem with race jokes at all, don't care who makes them as they are they are in good humour... Love Richard Pryor, my favourite comedian (because he also talks about other things... race/sex jokes are so easy... pryor will make you laugh talking about drowning/jogging/a monkey) but don't think for a second that there isn't a double standard on who can perform them.

You'll never hear a top white comedian getting ripped for a race joke because the seldom do them, their material isn't made up from it other wise they would not have made it big. There's plenty of low time comedians who try and pull it off but can't get a way with it

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Originally Posted by match

a white comedian being crucified for making black jokes please do so, otherwise please get your facts straight, thanks;)

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Put it this way - how many top white comedians make black jokes?
Do you think there's possibly a reason for that? It's not like there isn't a wealth of material and opportunities for them to do so.... proven by the fact that the majority of black comedians make up the majority of their work from just that.

I have no problem with race jokes at all, don't care who makes them as they are they are in good humour... Love Richard Pryor, my favourite comedian (because he also talks about other things... race/sex jokes are so easy... pryor will make you laugh talking about drowning/jogging/a monkey) but don't think for a second that there isn't a double standard on who can perform them.

You'll never hear a top white comedian getting ripped for a race joke because the seldom do them, their material isn't made up from it other wise they would not have made it big. There's plenty of low time comedians who try and pull it off but can't get a way with it

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Actually put it this way, how many black comedians have reached the Rock/Murphy/Prior iconic type status? Only a handful. Of the countless other black comedians who beat the race horse to death, almost none of them reach any type of stardom, because people are bored to death with the race topic, unless, as has been stated, they are FUNNY. You answered your own question, there's plenty of people who try to pull it off but can't get away with it. The comedians I mentioned, along with your favorite Pryor, made it to the top because of one reason above all else; they're funny.

Murphy and Pryor both have much more than race jokes... that's why they are basically legends... Chris Rock hasn't done too bad but isn't on eithers level if we're honest.
He may be relevant to a lot of young people and the black community him but he's not what you would call a house hold name. If I told my dad Murphy was doing acts again he'd probably get a ticket... if I said Chris Rock was in town he'd ask who the fuck he was.

Like you said Murphy and Pryor were big draws because they could connect with a wide audience on all sorts of levels... not because they told funny race jokes. I never said that they got big because the told a lot of race jokes.

That doesn't change the fact that they can get away with saying things that somebody like Robin Williams etc couldn't.

The proof is right there, race dominates a lot of black comedy, why doesn't it with white? Murphy etc will talk about race (black and white) because it's funny and he won't get chastised for it. Can you think of a reason why top white comedians don't, if they have the potential to say something funny about a subject that a lot of people are going to get then they're not just going to leave it out of their material.

My favorite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZY6D...eature=related

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Murphy and Pryor both have much more than race jokes... that's why they are basically legends... Chris Rock hasn't done too bad but isn't on eithers level if we're honest.
He may be relevant to a lot of young people and the black community him but he's not what you would call a house hold name.

Like you said Murphy and Pryor were big draws because they could connect with a wide audience on all sorts of levels... not because they told funny race jokes. I never said that they got big because the told a lot of race jokes.

That doesn't change the fact that they can get away with saying things that somebody like Robin Williams etc couldn't.

The proof is right there, race dominates a lot of black comedy, why doesn't it with white? Murphy etc will talk about race (black and white) because it's funny and he won't get chastised for it. Can you think of a reason why top white comedians don't, if they have the potential to say something funny about a subject that a lot of people are going to get then they're not just going to leave it out of their material.

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That's all very true, but ask yourself this, how many big name comedians of ANY race have emerged the past 10 years? Not many. You know why? Because comedy is alot like the dunk contest, everything has already been done. If I asked you, or anyone to name their top 10 comics of all time, at least 9 would be from 15 years ago or earlier. All race jokes have been done, and the only way to make them funny is to tell them in a new observant light, which few can do. And let's not forget, Robin Williams didn't harp on race because he didn't have to, just as Bill Cosby didn't have to harp on race. He dealt with family issues that all could relate to, another reason the Cosby Show was as successful as it was. And lastly, Chris Rock is not as iconic as Pryor or Murphy, but to say he's not a household name is way off. You don't get asked to host the Oscars if your not a household name.

ps-as I stated before, white comedians will joke about race if they have something funny to say about it, a good comedian knows nothing is off limits, so if they refuse to put something in their act for fear of offending someone they're a p@ssy, and I don't think their are too many top white comics who are afraid of anything.

Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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That maybe true, but the fact is the majority of white comedians who do race jokes generally work most on the 'black' comedy circuit. By and large its not black audiences who get offended & say I won't see any of their shows again, some of the most successful young comedians in the UK do a load of race jokes. Also just one example of an successful white comedian who does race jokes - Sarah Silverman. Oh but that must be because she's a woman right :rolleyes:

Unless the stuff is actually malicious as it was in the Michael Richards case, then its very unlikely it would hurt their career. Comedy operates a system by which as long as you aren't trying to hurt someone, pretty much EVERYTHING goes.

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Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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For the second time, can you please give me an example of a white comedian who's career 'took a hit' from doing black jokes? Thank you;)

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Originally Posted by miles

In comedy I think anything should go. I think there is too much PC bullshit generally and a free language is better than one that is constantly policed for correctness. I see nothing wrong with racial jokes.

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mate i own every single chubby brown, bernard manning dvd there is to own and they are just about the 2 sickest comedians out there who go out of their way to offend everyone......and i love the fat fuckers for it.


But if chris rock is allowed to make a racial slur or connatation about white people on a regular and consistent basis that gets aired on prime time tv to women, men and children alike then how the hell can someone complain when the guy from seinfield gets a little bit too carried away at a live show??

thats just double standards!!!

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So you like comedians when they are being racists towards black people but you feel the need to complain on a boxing forum when a black man makes a joke about a white man?

You've said it yourself......thats just double standards!!!

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Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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For the second time, can you please give me an example of a white comedian who's career 'took a hit' from doing black jokes? Thank you;)

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No because you can't tell me one who has.

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Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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That maybe true, but the fact is the majority of white comedians who do race jokes generally work most on the 'black' comedy circuit. By and large its not black audiences who get offended & say I won't see any of their shows again, some of the most successful young comedians in the UK do a load of race jokes. Also just one example of an successful white comedian who does race jokes - Sarah Silverman. Oh but that must be because she's a woman right :rolleyes:

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They're generally Jew jokes... because she's Jewish she can get away with it and I'd hardly call her a comedian but that's another story.

Take for example Goodness Gracious me, Indian made program... if it was white people joking about those stereotypes then their would be an outcry.

Really the only 'white' comedy I have seen that even attempts to joke about black stereotypes is family guy. Can't think of anything else.

South Park has dabbled a bit...it's funnier than anything Seth Macfarlane has ever done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7b2o...eature=related

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Except people not going to their shows.

You piss off a small minority group... disabled, elderly etc then you'll get minor out cry but it's not like it's going to put a lot of people off buying your tickets/dvds.

Piss of a race and you're going to take a hit from it.

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For the second time, can you please give me an example of a white comedian who's career 'took a hit' from doing black jokes? Thank you;)

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No because you can't tell me one who has.

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Dude, I already gave you three, try to keep up here:rolleyes:

You didn't tell me any... I've just had to back track through the whole entire thread to find you listing people back before I'd even started posting in it. I replied to the first post and went from my reply.

Not heard those guys doing it but I'll take your word for it. It's still true that it is prominent in almost all black stand up whilst I've heard little to none of it from other comedians but if these guys do do it as much as black comedians do to as big an audience then I guess there is no double standard.

Still don't know why it's such dominent topic in black stand up but maybe you could shed some light on that also? ;)
I'm getting the feeling you know a few more comedians than I do... :p

edit: Oh and for the record I hope I don't come off as being bothered about race jokes - they're funny. these are just the conclusions I've came to as to why it is so much more common in black comedy

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You didn't tell me any... I've just had to back track through the whole entire thread to find you listing people back before I'd even started posting in it. I replied to the first post and went from my reply.

Not heard those guys doing it but I'll take your word for it. It's still true that it is prominent in almost all black stand up whilst I've heard little to none of it from other comedians but if these guys do do it as much as black comedians do to as big an audience then I guess there is no double standard.

Still don't know why it's such dominent topic in black stand up but maybe you could shed some light on that also? ;)
I'm getting the feeling you know a few more comedians than I do... :p

edit: Oh and for the record I hope I don't come off as being bothered about race jokes - they're funny. these are just the conclusions I've came to as to why it is so much more common in black comedy

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My bad, didn't know you didn't see my first post. You are correct, racial topics are more prevalent among black comics, but I'm merely stating that in stand up comedy, there are no double standards. In society, there are DEFINATELY the double standards you speak of, but all barriers come down in stand up because true stand up (most notably from the greats like Carlin and Pryor) is considered art and nothing is off limits or out of bounds. But again, back to your first observation, you're right, racial topics are more common in black comedy, it's just that no comedian, regardless of race, will face any real backlash for it.

No mate, my bad... I shouldn't skim read threads ;)
Would of cut to the chase if I'd read that in the first place wouldn't it? :p