If Hatton beats Pac I think this would be a smashing fight.
What do you think? Hatton and Cotto in the same ring......maybe at catchweight?
I wanted it 3 years ago and I still wanna see it.
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If Hatton beats Pac I think this would be a smashing fight.
What do you think? Hatton and Cotto in the same ring......maybe at catchweight?
I wanted it 3 years ago and I still wanna see it.
I love Hatton and would want him to win but I don't see him beating Cotto - just too strong for Ricky - he can't handle any of the truly top Welters. Make Cotto drop to 140 and it might be a competitive fight. At a catchweight Cotto still has too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I also wanted this 3 years ago.
If it's at 140 I would love to see Hatton fight Cotto, but at 147 I don't want Hatton to fight Cotto. I don't really see this fight happening though. Hatton said he won't go back up to 147 and Cotto said he won't go back to 140 so something has to give. At a catchweight 143 it would be interesting, but Cotto might be a little too strong for Hatton.
Cotto's only loss was against a pressure fighter so maybe that style is his weakness. I'd pick Miguel but Hatton would have a decent chance if he can take Cotto's shots fairly well. If Ricky was as inspired as the KT fight then he'd give it a good shot.
The Ricky that beat Kostya is gone forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I think mainly because he hasnt had Dave Parris as ref again..... hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by KelThe Ricky that beat Kostya is gone forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
It would be a cracking matchup and I wouldn't rule Hatton out at all. 147 obviously favours Cotto, but I think Hatton has a style that could cause Cotto fits. Cotto would be forced to work hard for 3 minutes a round and would have Hatton mauling at him in close. Cotto has a lot of great skills but I think his weakness is stamina and punch output, he can be lazy and gets tired. He can be outworked. Of course, Cotto might stop Hatton, but I think Hatton has a decent shot of stopping Cotto too.
I like the clash of styles a lot.
Cotto would put a terrible beating on Hatton, it might be competitive early on, but I have no doubt that Cotto would stop Hatton in the mid/late rounds.
I have no reason to believe that Hatton has the power or the style to trouble Cotto (unless the fight is below 147, then the weight-drain will badly effect Cotto's punch resistance).
Urango was hurting Hatton to the body, imagine what Cotto would do to him.
Cotto has improved a lot against Mosley.Cotto TKOs Hatton before round 10. :cool:
I think Hatton will win against Pacman but I don't think he'd beat Cotto .
Cotto at 140 was not the fighter he is at 147 , at 140 Cotto was easily shaken by solid punchers and Hatton would definately have won handsomely in my opinion but at 147 Cotto is refreshed and stronger .
Cotto is a good,strong,well rounded Welterweight who in my eyes is still unbeaten .
Cotto versus Hatton will never happen at 140 .
At a catchweight of 143, it would be fairly even as Cotto doesn't make 147 with ease. Also as this would be assuming Hatton beat Pac, he would be the man who could call the shots. I'd still favour Cotto to win just, but at catchweight it would be more even.
No doubt though Hatton would go after a rematch with Mayweather, where he would be outboxed and out thought for another defeat. At least he might make it to the end this time ;D
To be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
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Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
No, Cotto can't make 140. He was looking like a zombie at the weigh in in his last fights at 140 and that was a long while back now. I cannot see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
Cotto @ 140 was an accident waiting to happen and it's a shame Ricky didn't get the chance to make it come true, Miguel @ 147 is a different beast and I would like to wait and see if Rick's new training and more work with Mayweather senior come the Manny fight, shows us new improvements which would suggest he may be able to tackle Cotto at the higher weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
I don't see Ricky winning this fight.. Didn't we basically see the same fight with Margarito/Cotto? Except Ricky isn't as big, has smaller arms and less power?
Definitely quicker feet, but c'mon, we saw how many times Cotto landed at WILL on Margarito. I don't see Ricky withstanding that type of beating over 8-9 rounds.
At 147 Hatton gets stopped within 6 Cotto to big and strong.At 140 i fink it favours Hatton imo but doubt Cotto can'nt make that weight now.Dont think Cotto would be willing to do a catch weight when there is big fights at welterweight still.
i don't think cotto will ever fight at 140 againQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
It's not gonna happen at 140. Cotto would surgically dismantle Hatton at 147.
Let's watch how Hatton murders Pac first, eh Trev?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
We wont see Cotto down at 140 again he was poor against Paulie Malignaggi at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22i don't think cotto will ever fight at 140 againQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
Well see. Pac destroyed your beloved MAB twice, and now he's about to destroy your homeboy Hatton too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesLet's watch how Hatton murders Pac first, eh Trev?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
I'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
Let's see how Hatton looks in his next couple of fights. I've a feeling the Cotto fight won't be so distant.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
You say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
I don't think Hatton should go to 147 to fight anybody, least of all Cotto. However, making Cotto come down to a weight where he was so weight-drained that Paulie Malignaggi was wobbling him is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifYou say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
I am of the opinion that this fight shouldn't happen at all, but if it does, it should definitely take place at, or very near, 147. I don't see why Hatton should get any credit if he beats a weight-drained and ineffective version of Cotto. Why should Cotto have to come down in weight? While I have no doubt that a fight with Hatton (provided he doesn't get absolutely destroyed by Pac) would make a lot of money, Cotto is a huge draw by himself and there are some big fights to be made at 147 that, in my opinion, negate the benefits of hurting his body and perhaps his career by dropping weight to an unsafe level to take on a very good opponent.
My sentiments exactly. A shame that there isn't a weight where it would be competitive, since Ricky has shown he does not belong in the same ring with Cotto at 147... but in boxing 7 pounds is a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
What is with these weight limits and catch weights? I just don't get it when people say Hatton is not the same at welterweight. Maybe he is not as sharp at 147 but he doesn't have to weigh exactly at 147. If the diet and training of making 140 makes him the best he can possibly then why not train like a junior welter. If he's a couple of pounds over 140 he'll still be a welterweight. In that way he will be at his best shape during weigh-ins and at fight night the weight would be pretty much the same with Cotto as Ricky gains 13-15 lbs.
Or you folks think the other way around? do you think this welters are too big for Ricky that's why they have to shed some muscles to make it a more even fight? That's just not right..I think it's just an unfair and unreasonable thing to do.,Ricky has a 7 pound margin to work with. If he wants he can drop all the way down to 140 and eat a box of pizza before the weigh-in cuz he's gonna feast himself with food after it anyway. But for Cotto to starve himself is just unfair. He wouldn't be the same fighter.
I think the best Ricky against best Cotto is a helluva match. Both has KO power but I give Cotto the advantage because he has a good jab to keep Ricky at bay.
He doesn't necessarily have to weigh 147. Again like what I said he has a margin of 7 pounds to work with. That's why there is no rule that a fighter should weigh exactly as what the limit says. It all evens out at fight night anyway. I think the problem with Ricky is that when the weight is easier to reach he would slack off. He looks sloppy, he's not that sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifYou say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
Why not train as hard as he does at 140? and I thin he should chow on 7 pounds of cheesesteak before the weigh in to shut the 'narrow minded' fans who would surely say he overtrained or he came in too small.
Good point.. This is what Mayweather did against Oscar.. he weighed in at 149 or 150 for the 154 limit.. just because you're moving up doesn't mean you have to meet the limit.. Granted if you are a fighter with a decent enough sized frame that you can gain some muscle and use it to your advantage, then that's what you would want to do.. but the smaller guys who need speed, have to be smart about it. YES, you're fighting someone who is probably in general a bit bigger than you, but bulking up and losing speed is not the way to put yourself in the best position to win the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_PRODIGY
I'd say the lowest Cotto would ever go would be 145 for a catchweight.. That would be more than reasonable i would think.. You would still hear the Hatton fans saying, "Hatton just wasn't big enough!! Give him a break" As if the entire universe didn't know that BEFORE the fight..
True..But I don't agree with the catch weight thing. 145 would take hell for Cotto to make. I mean, I think he's starving himself bigtime to make 147.. I just think there's not much size difference between Hatton and Cotto. Only that Ricky is able to reach his peak physically at the training he gets at 140. While Cotto having a bigger skeletal frame its much harder for him to shed weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33Good point.. This is what Mayweather did against Oscar.. he weighed in at 149 or 150 for the 154 limit.. just because you're moving up doesn't mean you have to meet the limit.. Granted if you are a fighter with a decent enough sized frame that you can gain some muscle and use it to your advantage, then that's what you would want to do.. but the smaller guys who need speed, have to be smart about it. YES, you're fighting someone who is probably in general a bit bigger than you, but bulking up and losing speed is not the way to put yourself in the best position to win the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_PRODIGY
I'd say the lowest Cotto would ever go would be 145 for a catchweight.. That would be more than reasonable i would think.. You would still hear the Hatton fans saying, "Hatton just wasn't big enough!! Give him a break" As if the entire universe didn't know that BEFORE the fight..
I will say it again..all that matters is the weight at fight night. Remember it's the weight you put into your punches. If they weigh the same that night, there's not much to complain about the size difference.
Cotto would smash the fuck out of hatton as he would pacquiao and any other light welter/welter around at the moment
Hatton would have beaten the light welter version of Cotto but would get beat by any decent Welterweight.
He should fight mayweather at 140lb this time.
Not this again. Mayweather would beat Hatton handily at any weight class. I've yet to see a single reasonable explanation for why the fight would be any different at 140 (unless making weight completely drained Mayweather).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I disagree. Take off that 3 and a half kilos and you are seeing a different fight. Even then Mayweather had the refs luck to help him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHNot this again. Mayweather would beat Hatton handily at any weight class. I've yet to see a single reasonable explanation for why the fight would be any different at 140 (unless making weight completely drained Mayweather).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
IMO there is no way Hatton would beat Mayweather. Just take it out of your head. He just said that he wants a career finish "open-air" rematch with Floyd at Wembley....LOL... for what??? so Floyd smashes his big ass noggin into the post even harder and a louder OOOOHHHHH from ya'll.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI disagree. Take off that 3 and a half kilos and you are seeing a different fight. Even then Mayweather had the refs luck to help him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHNot this again. Mayweather would beat Hatton handily at any weight class. I've yet to see a single reasonable explanation for why the fight would be any different at 140 (unless making weight completely drained Mayweather).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yeah, like most, I'm not crazy about seeing this fight go down. But on the other hand, if Hatton gets this fight because he had put away Pacquaio, I wouldn't count him out of beating Cotto.
If Hatton puts Manny away it would be a huge fight, massive pay day for both guys, Cotto is the bigger man but he is one of the smaller Welters out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by body head banger
Hatton and Cotto would be a great fight with the edge going to cotto IMO
with the whole margarito debachal going on i think cotto confidance is up
maby margarito had plasterd his hands vs cotto we will never know but the beating he gave to him might suggest that but who knows. but i think cotto will hang in there for a close sd win