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Margarito vs Baldomir?


What exactly is Bob Arum trying to prove by making this fight? A win over Baldomir means absolutley nothing!!!! ( considering plaster hands wins ). Is Bob Arum trying to pove a point of some sort to the CSAC by hosting these worthless fight cards in Tijuana of all places? Nothing against Tijuana itself but I mean come on this is really getting rediculous now. Of all people, he decides to match him up with Baldomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet the only reason Baldomir took this fight is because he desperate for money. I really hope that when the suspension is up nobody in Cali will fight plaster hands. He screwed up in my opinion and should never be allowed to fight ever again in California. Hell he can stay in T.J. and beat on chumps like Baldomir for all I care.:pointlol:( Arum n plaster hands )

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Originally Posted by scraptime

Margarito vs Baldomir?


What exactly is Bob Arum trying to prove by making this fight? A win over Baldomir means absolutley nothing!!!! ( considering plaster hands wins ). Is Bob Arum trying to pove a point of some sort to the CSAC by hosting these worthless fight cards in Tijuana of all places? Nothing against Tijuana itself but I mean come on this is really getting rediculous now. Of all people, he decides to match him up with Baldomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet the only reason Baldomir took this fight is because he desperate for money. I really hope that when the suspension is up nobody in Cali will fight plaster hands. He screwed up in my opinion and should never be allowed to fight ever again in California. Hell he can stay in T.J. and beat on chumps like Baldomir for all I care.:pointlol:( Arum n plaster hands )

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he'll get plenty of of fights when the suspension is over, mainly cause he'll still sell fights due to the controversy, and can't rag Baldomir that much he's a decent fighter, he beat Judah, and pushed Forrest, he's far from great but he's at least willing to trade, and has a cast iron chin

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by scraptime

Margarito vs Baldomir?


What exactly is Bob Arum trying to prove by making this fight? A win over Baldomir means absolutley nothing!!!! ( considering plaster hands wins ). Is Bob Arum trying to pove a point of some sort to the CSAC by hosting these worthless fight cards in Tijuana of all places? Nothing against Tijuana itself but I mean come on this is really getting rediculous now. Of all people, he decides to match him up with Baldomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet the only reason Baldomir took this fight is because he desperate for money. I really hope that when the suspension is up nobody in Cali will fight plaster hands. He screwed up in my opinion and should never be allowed to fight ever again in California. Hell he can stay in T.J. and beat on chumps like Baldomir for all I care.:pointlol:( Arum n plaster hands )

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he'll get plenty of of fights when the suspension is over, mainly cause he'll still sell fights due to the controversy, and can't rag Baldomir that much he's a decent fighter, he beat Judah, and pushed Forrest, he's far from great but he's at least willing to trade, and has a cast iron chin

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My first thought is that Margarito is giving Arum the go ahead to set up a fight to make money. I don't know if he needs the money or just wants it.

The next thing that comes to mind is that he is jeopardizing his reinstatement. If I were on the commission, I would look at this refusal to abide by the suspension decision as a slap in the face regardless of whether or not, he is ignorant of wrong any doing. I would think that this lack of respect to the commission would only propagate time to the suspension.

And if I were Baldomir, I would be concerned if Margarito is still using protective gause pading. ;D

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by scraptime

Margarito vs Baldomir?


What exactly is Bob Arum trying to prove by making this fight? A win over Baldomir means absolutley nothing!!!! ( considering plaster hands wins ). Is Bob Arum trying to pove a point of some sort to the CSAC by hosting these worthless fight cards in Tijuana of all places? Nothing against Tijuana itself but I mean come on this is really getting rediculous now. Of all people, he decides to match him up with Baldomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet the only reason Baldomir took this fight is because he desperate for money. I really hope that when the suspension is up nobody in Cali will fight plaster hands. He screwed up in my opinion and should never be allowed to fight ever again in California. Hell he can stay in T.J. and beat on chumps like Baldomir for all I care.:pointlol:( Arum n plaster hands )

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he'll get plenty of of fights when the suspension is over, mainly cause he'll still sell fights due to the controversy, and can't rag Baldomir that much he's a decent fighter, he beat Judah, and pushed Forrest, he's far from great but he's at least willing to trade, and has a cast iron chin

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My first thought is that Margarito is giving Arum the go ahead to set up a fight to make money. I don't know if he needs the money or just wants it.

The next thing that comes to mind is that he is jeopardizing his reinstatement. If I were on the commission, I would look at this refusal to abide by the suspension decision as a slap in the face regardless of whether or not, he is ignorant of wrong any doing. I would think that this lack of respect to the commission would only propagate time to the suspension.

And if I were Baldomir, I would be concerned if Margarito is still using protective gause pading. ;D

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very true, i think they should let the whole incident die out abit

the messed up thing is apparently Capetillo may be kept as his trainer, not certain about that but if he is that's basically just thumbing your nose at the commission, boxing in general.

Bob Arum who use to promote Lard ass Butterbean and charges PPV for fight cards that are headlined by bums like JCC Jr has some balls trash talking Arreola. At least Arreola gives the fans some action not like Jr. who puts you to sleep with his predictable style. LMAO! Well I'm glad that Goosen had this to say to Bobby;


Goossen Rips Arum Over Arreola, Williams Comments - Boxing News

I'm no defender of Arum but he is right in critisizing the condition of Arreola and McCline. They were like whales marooned on a beach. Ugly stuff.

The Wright: Williams fight was a good one though so he should keep quiet about that. I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to watch it.

Miles - it may have been ugly, but do you prefer watching Klitschko v. Ibragimov or Valuev v. Holyfield or Chambers v. Peters? I don't.

Forget pound-for-pound -- These guys are the most exciting - ESPN - Arreola listed as one of the most exciting fighters to watch (the only heavyweight on the list).

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Miles - it may have been ugly, but do you prefer watching Klitschko v. Ibragimov or Valuev v. Holyfield or Chambers v. Peters? I don't.

Forget pound-for-pound -- These guys are the most exciting - ESPN - Arreola listed as one of the most exciting fighters to watch (the only heavyweight on the list).

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Arreola is more interesting to watch than most of them others, for sure. My gripe is just that he looked so out of condition. He could be better with a bit of a trim off the waistline. All that wobbly stuff is worrying. Otherwise, he does throw punches and comes to fight, so not all bad. Just the weight issues for me.

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Originally Posted by scraptime

Bob Arum who use to promote Lard ass Butterbean and charges PPV for fight cards that are headlined by bums like JCC Jr has some balls trash talking Arreola. At least Arreola gives the fans some action not like Jr. who puts you to sleep with his predictable style. LMAO! Well I'm glad that Goosen had this to say to Bobby;


Goossen Rips Arum Over Arreola, Williams Comments - Boxing News

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JCC Jr might not be a world beater or anything, but when is he in a boring fight? it's not worth PPV, but he's by no means boring, Arum does start with stupid shit every once in a while, but to be honest he does more good than bad, he has a great eye for talent and when it comes to getting fights made 9 times out of 10 he goes all out to get them made

here's a list of fighters that Top Rank has promoted

Muhammad Ali
Alexis Arguello
Iran Barkley
Michael Carbajal
Roberto Duran
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ray Mancini
Carlos Monzon
Terry Norris
Gabriel Ruelas
Rafael Ruelas
James Toney
Oscar De La Hoya
Jorge Arce
Jose Luis Castillo
Martin Castillo
Joshua Clottey
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Nonito Donaire
Juan Manuel Lopez
Steven Luevano
Antonio Margarito
Kelly Pavlik
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Brian Viloria

pretty damn good names

I think Arum had a valid point with Arreola and McCline.Think hes more or less voicing frustration as American Heavys have been slim pickings last number of years.Maybe slims a bad choice.Not a fan of JCC jr but his last fight was pretty damn exciting.

I dont mind Arum, hes worth ten of Franky boy.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think Arum had a valid point with Arreola and McCline.Think hes more or less voicing frustration as American Heavys have been slim pickings last number of years.Maybe slims a bad choice.Not a fan of JCC jr but his last fight was pretty damn exciting.

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agree, not to sound completely negative, but the truth is American Heavies for the most part now are crap, and i think that it's due to more interest in other sports, such as football and basketball

There is a point about how out of shame American HWs are, but his comments in general just showcase what a gigantic piece of shit, who is he to try play down Paul Williams & Winky Wright? Good on Goosen for telling it how it is

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Originally Posted by miles

I'm no defender of Arum but he is right in critisizing the condition of Arreola and McCline. They were like whales marooned on a beach. Ugly stuff.

The Wright: Williams fight was a good one though so he should keep quiet about that. I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to watch it.

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Agreed Wright/Williams was a quality bout between two top quality fighters, nothing to criticize,

As for Arreola not much you can do about that but I cant give Chris too much credit for beating McCline, look at the shape Jameel was in, self admited he was retired and they offered him a decent payday that had a big reward and little risk

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

here's a list of fighters that Top Rank has promoted

Muhammad Ali
Alexis Arguello
Iran Barkley
Michael Carbajal
Roberto Duran
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ray Mancini
Carlos Monzon
Terry Norris
Gabriel Ruelas
Rafael Ruelas
James Toney
Oscar De La Hoya
Jorge Arce
Jose Luis Castillo
Martin Castillo
Joshua Clottey
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Nonito Donaire
Juan Manuel Lopez
Steven Luevano
Antonio Margarito
Kelly Pavlik
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Brian Viloria

pretty damn good names

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Good Research on the list...Top Rank has promoted some quality fighters over the years

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

here's a list of fighters that Top Rank has promoted

Muhammad Ali
Alexis Arguello
Iran Barkley
Michael Carbajal
Roberto Duran
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ray Mancini
Carlos Monzon
Terry Norris
Gabriel Ruelas
Rafael Ruelas
James Toney
Oscar De La Hoya
Jorge Arce
Jose Luis Castillo
Martin Castillo
Joshua Clottey
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Nonito Donaire
Juan Manuel Lopez
Steven Luevano
Antonio Margarito
Kelly Pavlik
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Brian Viloria

pretty damn good names

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Good Research on the list...Top Rank has promoted some quality fighters over the years

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thanks, goldenboy seems to be onto a good start as well

Oscar De La Hoya
Bernard Hopkins
Shane Mosley
Marco Antonio Barrera
Librado Andrade
Jorge Barrios
Rey Bautista
Joel Casamayor
Hugo Cazares
Juan Diaz
Jhonny Gonzalez
Joan Guzman
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
David Haye
Rocky Juarez
Michael Katsidis
Abner Mares
James Kirkland
Victor Ortiz
Rock Allen
Carlos Hernandez
Robert Guerrero
Oscar Larios
Daniel Ponce DeLeon
Z Gorres
Juan Lazcano
Kassim Ouma
Gerry Penalosa
Israel Vazquez
Winky Wright

This is not in defense of Arum for I generally consider promoters as a bunch of greedy pimps... Arum criticized Goosen promoted fights and we realized he has some good points and also just being an a$$ on some points...

But to be fair, Arum has some of the best boxers around and promoted some of the great cards in recent memories... Just like this weekend's fight between Donaire-Martinez and Viloria-Solis, it's a very good card but unfortunately HBO and Shotime didn't pick it up... Arum once again, come out on his own and offer this card to the American public as a PPV priced at $24.95 using his own resources...

Sometimes he's a "disgrace" and sometimes he does some good things for boxing...
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

here's a list of fighters that Top Rank has promoted

Muhammad Ali
Alexis Arguello
Iran Barkley
Michael Carbajal
Roberto Duran
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ray Mancini
Carlos Monzon
Terry Norris
Gabriel Ruelas
Rafael Ruelas
James Toney
Oscar De La Hoya
Jorge Arce
Jose Luis Castillo
Martin Castillo
Joshua Clottey
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Nonito Donaire
Juan Manuel Lopez
Steven Luevano
Antonio Margarito
Kelly Pavlik
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Brian Viloria

pretty damn good names

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some fighters i left out were
Anthony Peterson
Lamont Peterson
Demetrius Hopkins
Kendall Holt
Fernando Montiel
Marco Antonio Rubio
Ulises Solis
Ricardo Torres

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

This is not in defense of Arum for I generally consider promoters as a bunch of greedy pimps... Arum criticized Goosen promoted fights and we realized he has some good points and also just being an a$$ on some points...

But to be fair, Arum has some of the best boxers around and promoted some of the great cards in recent memories... Just like this weekend's fight between Donaire-Martinez and Viloria-Solis, it's a very good card but unfortunately HBO and Shotime didn't pick it up... Arum once again, come out on his own and offer this card to the American public as a PPV priced at $24.95 using his own resources...

Sometimes he's a "disgrace" and sometimes he does some good things for boxing...
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i wouldn't say he's a disgrace, just at his age he does get a bit bitter at times, you gotta remember he is the founder of one of the oldest promotion companies to still be running, and younger guys like Goosen and GBP are making a lot of noise, plus a lot of Arums biggest names have either left him or retired, or both, such as Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Floyd Mayweather Jr., he still puts on great cards, and knows what fans want, and gotta give him credit for going out of his way most of the times to get the biggest fights made, DLH/Pacquiao and Pacquiao/Hatton are 2 good examples

slow-motion battle :D

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Originally Posted by scraptime

Margarito vs Baldomir?


What exactly is Bob Arum trying to prove by making this fight? A win over Baldomir means absolutley nothing!!!! ( considering plaster hands wins ). Is Bob Arum trying to pove a point of some sort to the CSAC by hosting these worthless fight cards in Tijuana of all places? Nothing against Tijuana itself but I mean come on this is really getting rediculous now. Of all people, he decides to match him up with Baldomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet the only reason Baldomir took this fight is because he desperate for money. I really hope that when the suspension is up nobody in Cali will fight plaster hands. He screwed up in my opinion and should never be allowed to fight ever again in California. Hell he can stay in T.J. and beat on chumps like Baldomir for all I care.:pointlol:( Arum n plaster hands )

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Its rubbish fight and i couldn't care at all for Antonio Margarito, i won't be watching the fight.

It is a rubbish fight and I hope people ignore it the best they can. Baldomir is old and done, and Margarito shouldn't be boxing anywhere.

Baldomir is a good , solid fighter. He was champion for a reason, and it will be no easy fight for Margarito. I hope Baldo shocks him.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

slow-motion battle :D

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Sal that is exactly what I thought! :)