Pwill v. PBF - Who wins and why?

After defeating Winky and moving into many top five p4p lists, Pwill declared that he would fight anyone from 147-160. At the same time, former #1 p4p PBF has hinted at coming back from retirement.

Pwill v. PBF is a logical fight for p4p supremacy although a fight pitting PBF/Pwill against Mosley would be equally significant. As seen in his negotiations with Marquez, PBF doesn't want to fight at below 147 and has indicated that he also doesn't want to fight Mosley. Pwill's name recognition increased dramatically after his near shut out of Winky. Both fighters bring a lot to the table - a fight between the two makes sense.

Who do you think would win the hypothetical fight?

Upon first glance, I may lean toward Pwill because of his height and reach advantages. Pwill also has the advantage of being a volume puncher. Then again, Quintana beat him by moving around, and some would argue that Quintana is a very poor man's PBF. On the other hand, Pwill knocked out Quintana in dramatic fashion the next time around; thus, he may have figured that style out. He also looked uncharacteristically flat in his first fight with Quintana (not to take anything away from Quintana).

I'd also rather see PBF fight Pwill than Pacman or Hatton II.

Williams. He would beat Floyd at 147+

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Originally Posted by Killa From Manila

Williams. He would beat Floyd at 147+

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depends on how Williams makes 147, if he kills himself to make weight like he did in the 1st Quintana fight i see PBF countering Williams all night for the UD, if he makes weight comfortably like he did for the Quintana rematch, i see it being a very comfortable close fight

147 Floyd.

I don't think Williams can be as effective at 147 anymore. 154 I think he has too much for Floyd with his sheer size and workrate.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

147 Floyd.

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Because PW would struggle to get to the weight?

Paul Williams is a stylistic nightmare for PBF. He doesnt have the power to stop him or back him off, and he doesnt have the workrate to decision him. He would punch between some of Williams shots and maybe win a few rounds but Paul wins this one no question in my mind.

I think PBF is the only welterweight to have a real chance at beating PWill but that freakish 82" reach coupled with his 1,000 punches are plain out nightmarish. You can not prepare for a guy like him at welterweight. You need a lot of luck. Such as him coming in feeling off, not peaking at the right time for the fight, struggling to make weight, etc. Floyd's movement would wreak havoc to PWill but he already is aware of that and so he can prepare for that. You just can not precisely prepare for a welterweight with PWill's attributes. A guy that tall, with a reach longer than almost all heavyweights, a tall guy with MASSIVE volume punching, a tall guy who fights great inside, great chin, I'm done typing. What kind of freak is this?

Williams is way too tall and far too busy for PBF. Williams pitches a shutout on this one.

There needs to be another option added to the poll of

"PBF is to attached to his 0 to ever fight someone of any risk"

That being said though, I still think Floyd would win on points... But it's not the result I would be rooting for..

Williams pitching a shut out against Floyd is a pretty ridiculous statement.

All this from Williams performance against Winky Wright who is a defensive great but has a defensive style completely different then Floyd's defensive style and movement. Wright presented the perfect style for Williams to look good against like Emanuel Stewart said it was Wrights worst matchup possible. Williams wouldnt be getting off 100 punches a round against a moving target, a stable target all day but not a mover. I think Floyd has a style to give him fits and 2 fights ago he was outboxed by Quintana, he won the rematch in a first round tko but i doubt he'd do that to Floyd.

I think at 147 Floyd can beat him on points. He wouldnt let him get off.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Paul Williams is a stylistic nightmare for PBF. He doesnt have the power to stop him or back him off, and he doesnt have the workrate to decision him. He would punch between some of Williams shots and maybe win a few rounds but Paul wins this one no question in my mind.

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Exactly how I feel about it. There isn't anything Floyd can do against the work rate. He might counter and land a few nice shots but he isn't getting Williams out of there. And he won't win rounds potshotting and throwing 40-50 punches each round.

Williams decisions him handily. A nightmare for Floyd or anyone really.

Quintana used movement and well timed counters to keep Williams off him and with this he lowered Williams workrate big time which then lead to a clear UD win.

Now i know he beat Quintana in the rematch but 1 minute of a round to me doesn't prove that he can handle slick moving counter punchers.

Mayweather is a slick moving counter puncher who is slicker, quicker, more accurate and smarter than Quintana. He would hit Williams whenever he wanted to and with is defense would frustrate Williams.

Mayweather wins a clear decision.

This is a bad matchup for Williams not the other way round.

I say Paul Williams wins by UD if he makes weight well at 147. I don't say this to discredit Mayweather as he is clearly the better boxer, but I believe PW is too big. He honestly doesn't belong in the 147lb division.

I wouldn't take this fight if I was a short welter - anything under 5' 10".

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Quintana used movement and well timed counters to keep Williams off him and with this he lowered Williams workrate big time which then lead to a clear UD win.

Now i know he beat Quintana in the rematch but 1 minute of a round to me doesn't prove that he can handle slick moving counter punchers.

Mayweather is a slick moving counter puncher who is slicker, quicker, more accurate and smarter than Quintana. He would hit Williams whenever he wanted to and with is defense would frustrate Williams.

Mayweather wins a clear decision.

This is a bad matchup for Williams not the other way round.

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I don't agree with you, but let me ask you this: would you rather see PBF fight Williams or the Pac/Hatton winner? I say Williams hands down.

Who cares. PBF is retarded.. I mean retired.

PBF would never talk this fight in a million decades. New thread.

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by skel1983

147 Floyd.

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Because PW would struggle to get to the weight?

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Not really i just think Floyd would be to clever for him at this weight, i could be wrong but id put my money on floyd at 147, i think Williams can be out boxed.

After this past Saturday I may have to change my opinion. I thought that Williams would more than likely win by decision, now I think Floyd would beat him handily. Williams would be there the whole fight, but Floyd has already fought someone like him and dominated in his victory over Diego Corrales. Williams' flaws were highlighted over and over as Martinez held his hands low and saw Williams' right hand coming a mile off. Mayweather wouldn't get tagged anywhere near as often and would make Paul pay for those awkward misses. If Paul could sustain the body attack it would be Mayweather UD.

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Originally Posted by Zilla

After this past Saturday I may have to change my opinion. I thought that Williams would more than likely win by decision, now I think Floyd would beat him handily. Williams would be there the whole fight, but Floyd has already fought someone like him and dominated in his victory over Diego Corrales. Williams' flaws were highlighted over and over as Martinez held his hands low and saw Williams' right hand coming a mile off. Mayweather wouldn't get tagged anywhere near as often and would make Paul pay for those awkward misses. If Paul could sustain the body attack it would be Mayweather UD.

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Paul Williams is a lot bigger and longer than Corrales. Corrales was 5'10 and Williams is 6'2. Corrales had a reach of 70" (Floyd's is 72") and Williams has a reach of 82". Corrales fought most of his career between 130 and 135. Williams has fought his entire career at 147 or above. Paul Williams is an entirely different animal.

Martinez laid a good blue print that Floyd could also execute, but Martinez is bigger (5'11), has longer reach (76") and is stronger than Floyd.

Also, just so you know, Floyd has said in the past that Pwill is too big for him. This fight will never happen. It would be too huge a step up in competition for Floyd. My guess is Floyd fights Pacquiao, makes a cool 50 million, and calls it a day.

I said whilst watching the fight the other day that I now think Mayweather wins. Before I thought he might struggle, but Floyd's got a good inside game & I think if Williams was troubled by Martinez' speed & athleticism on the inside then he would really be in trouble with Floyd's.

Both guy were very good the other night, but I think it showed the Quintana defeat was far from an aberration. It's by no means certain, but I do think we'd see a Mayweather victory. The most glaring thing I noticed is that whilst Williams has great punches against a guy who's not moving, he seems to lack that basic amateur pedigree to really deal with a guy who's good on the move.

Before Willims fought and lost to Quintana I said Floyd would stay low and counter over the top all night long...because Williams jab is a range finder and not meant to punish, so floyd would time it then hit him all night. paul's guard will be low because floyd will be low to the ground.

What Sergio did only makes it more evident, i mean sergio had his hands at his side the whole fight..If paul couldn't really connect flush on him..he'd look stupid against floyd.

Martinez proved he had a chin - he took some flush shots from Paul. Maybe the fact that he fights at or around 154 helped him handle those shots? Floyd has never taken shots like that. I wonder how he would handle Paul's power. With the length of Paul's arms, he would land at some point.

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Before Willims fought and lost to Quintana I said Floyd would stay low and counter over the top all night long...because Williams jab is a range finder and not meant to punish, so floyd would time it then hit him all night. paul's guard will be low because floyd will be low to the ground.

What Sergio did only makes it more evident, i mean sergio had his hands at his side the whole fight..If paul couldn't really connect flush on him..he'd look stupid against floyd.

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I have one BIG problem with this.. PWill has a spear for a double jab. I am not sure you watched the Martinez fight at all. He was snapping his head back fairly consistently in the middle rounds. He was NOT pawing with his jab.

Sergio paid for having his hands by his said plenty, but he rolled with a very large % of those shots.

I think Williams would be in big big trouble with Floyd if he head hunts all night like he did with Martinez, also. You should watch the 2nd Quintana fight again.. he set up the KO punches with great body shots to lower his hands.

I like PBF in this matchup by decision. P Will is predictable and isnt real fast and counts on breaking his opponents down and wearing them out which I dont think he can do to Floyd.....Floyd will make him pay with counter punches.

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Before Willims fought and lost to Quintana I said Floyd would stay low and counter over the top all night long...because Williams jab is a range finder and not meant to punish, so floyd would time it then hit him all night. paul's guard will be low because floyd will be low to the ground.

What Sergio did only makes it more evident, i mean sergio had his hands at his side the whole fight..If paul couldn't really connect flush on him..he'd look stupid against floyd.

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I have one BIG problem with this.. PWill has a spear for a double jab. I am not sure you watched the Martinez fight at all. He was snapping his head back fairly consistently in the middle rounds. He was NOT pawing with his jab.

Sergio paid for having his hands by his said plenty, but he rolled with a very large % of those shots.

I think Williams would be in big big trouble with Floyd if he head hunts all night like he did with Martinez, also. You should watch the 2nd Quintana fight again.. he set up the KO punches with great body shots to lower his hands.

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I don't need to watch it..i saw it enough to know that the "headsnaps' you refer two were range finders as Serdio fought with his hands at his side most of the fight. Spearing punches will anyman to bring his guard up or move his head more. Sergio roll his chin with a lot of the "Head snappers"

PBF. Paul is very hittable the awkwardness of Quintana gave him hell, Floyd is awkward in a pure boxer sort of way.