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Taylor surprised the life out of me .
I thought Taylor fought a great fight his jab was great and his movement excellent that was as lucid a performence I've seen I certainly hope he keeps on fighting and can recover .
I'd pay to watch him again mos def .
Froch started slow , that's no surprise he normally does but I honestly thought he was going to take the fight to the next level technically and fight the fight of his life instead he had to dig deep like never before , we are well use to seeing him rally against good fighters and win Adamu,Woolnough,Magee,Pascal and now Taylor have felt the late powerful surges .
I think alot of people on the forum are being unfair towards both fighters , Taylor didnt run out of steam as dramtically as people say he fought in highly effective bursts right up untill the 11th and Froch showed tremendous courage and calmness above all to brilliantly win in a massive gruelling fight in which big powerful hitters connected with bombs!
What most immpressed me about Froch is even when 90% of fighters would have rushed in and tried to finish Taylor off , he displayed champions poise , he remained calm picked his shots whilst displaying a hunters caution and when all about where losing their's he kept his head !
Be fair on both fighters peeps ,if we knew the script before hand we'd have all been salivaiting , it was a seesaw battle with skill,guts,bottle,toughness.
Cant ask for more than that , 2 very good genuine world calibre fighters engaging in battle , it was a fantastic fight .
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.
Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
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Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.
Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.
Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.
Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.
It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.
He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
Taylor didn't surprise me at all. Froch is garbage. I had him winning 2 rounds out the 11. His defense is so poor, its unbelievable. Taylor looked different class at times. Let's remember he's a middleweight as well. Yet hurt and outboxed Froch throughout until the 12th. I give Froch credit for the last round and the heart shown but nothing else. He gets in with Kessler, Hopkins etc and they will brutally take him to school.
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Howlin Mad Missy
Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.
Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.
Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.
Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.
It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him,
but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.
He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.
Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.
Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
I have no idea what was surprising about Taylor's performance, he's been on TV in big fights for forever, he did what he's done forever, even barring the Winky, Hopkins fights etc. just from watching the second Pavlik fight it would be clear how this fight was going to go, Taylor dominating early but fizzling out, Froch coming on. I just thought Taylor would be able to get through the championship rounds and he didn't.
Its Froch who was more of the unknown, if anyody's performance was surprising it was it. Although even there he kind of fought like he usually fights.
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Taylor didn't surprise me at all. Froch is garbage. I had him winning 2 rounds out the 11. His defense is so poor, its unbelievable. Taylor looked different class at times. Let's remember he's a middleweight as well. Yet hurt and outboxed Froch throughout until the 12th. I give Froch credit for the last round and the heart shown but nothing else. He gets in with Kessler, Hopkins etc and they will brutally take him to school.
Taylor won championship belts at middlweight, but he is a super-middleweight now. He himself said he feels better at that weight. He was weight drained for Pavlik I and he has fought at 168 ever since.
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
The fight was always going to be a complete pick`em
I was confident all along that froch would have too much for taylor but typical froch always has to chase a fight as he starts sooooo slowly.
Anyone who hasnt seen froch without his career would of been completely disheartened when he was 2nd to every punch early on and even i was a tad worried when he got knocked down as it was a genuine KD.
But froch was always going to be too clever a boxer for taylor and the 106-102 from the 2 judges was complete bullshit as i had it dead level going into the last.
Will froch get any credit for an awesome performance on here??? No, mainly because of the fact he`s another brit whos gone over to america and once again shown their man how to fight, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here other than the last round this was indeed a pick`em contest!
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Howlin Mad Missy
Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.
Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.
Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.
Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.
It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him,
but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.
He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.
Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.
Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.
Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.
To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.
Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.
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miles
Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.
Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.
It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.
He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.
Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.
Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.
Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.
To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.
Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.
Good post.
To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.
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I think Froch fans are being accused a little bit of saying he gave Taylor a boxing lesson, no one here is saying Froch is the prettiest of boxers but the whole point of boxing is that different styles will always emerge and thats what makes it so interesting.
Froch gave Taylor a lesson in determination and heart, and as has been said before, you can't learn that, you've either got it or you haven't.
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly
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Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly
No he wasnt
He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!
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ElTerribleMorales
Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly
No he wasnt
He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!
when Taylor used his jab, Froch had no answer for it
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
Taylor is one of my favorite fighters but I have to call him out on this loss.
Yes he fought great (so I've heard) and showed true heart (so I've heard). But doesn't anyone remember the rumors about him partying while in camp???? JT has to realize that his stamina is for shit, he faded vs Hopkins TWICE, he faded vs Winky Wright and Pavlik and now he fades vs Carl Froch!!!!
JT had Froch down, he had all the points he needed and he couldn't even hang on for 14 seconds.....that is a fucking shame!!!
Taylor has to realize that he needs to be in better condition and if he can't fix it he has to pace himself to have extra energy later on to work out of those championship rounds.
I had very high hopes for him early in his career and he didn't disappoint at middleweight but I thought he could be a champ at 168 and 175 for a long time and right now being a CHAMP at those weights is out of his reach and it's because he either didn't train or didn't plan well enough to win.
Props to Froch though, he's a tough cookie. Joe Calzaghe would still whip his ass but Carl definently won over a lot of fans even if he does have a big mouth (unlike all the other British fighters :rolleyes: )
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If Jermain Taylor played his cards right HE could have been the guy to beat Calzaghe...I think JT's jab and the fact he fights to the level of his opponent would have made him more difficult than anyone else Calzaghe fought/could have fought.
It is a damn shame...JT is a good fighter but he needs to train or plan his fights better
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Re: Taylor surprised the life out of me .
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Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.
Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.
It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.
He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.
Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.
Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.
Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.
To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.
Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.
Pascal is heartless. Why you think the fight with Miranda never took off ? He seen him KO Banks ringside and didn't want any part.
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leftylee
Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.
Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.
Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.
To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.
Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.
Good post.
To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.
How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.
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Rantcatrat
Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.
To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.
Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.
Good post.
To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.
How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.
His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
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Good post.
To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.
How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.
His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.
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leftylee
How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.
His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.
It was a 12x3 WBC championship fight. Not an 11x3. If you get knocked out at any point during the 12 rounds you have lost fair and square. Simple as.
The entire history of boxing would look TOTALLY different without these rules set in place.
Taylor's stamina "issues" are no different to Froch's bad defence. It's all part of boxing. All top fighters have different strong points. It doesn't make them GARBAGE!!!
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I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !
I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win
Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense
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....taylor would be great if he went back to fighting 6 rounders. Sergio mora should have took his chances and tried to quirk taylor to death.
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His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.
It was a 12x3 WBC championship fight. Not an 11x3. If you get knocked out at any point during the 12 rounds you have lost fair and square. Simple as.
The entire history of boxing would look TOTALLY different without these rules set in place.
Taylor's stamina "issues" are no different to Froch's bad defence. It's all part of boxing. All top fighters have different strong points. It doesn't make them GARBAGE!!!
i'm not calling Froch garbage but he clearly is a flawed fighter, and yes Taylor's stamina did play a part into the way the fight played out, he was dominating Froch until he started to tire, he was hurt just the same against Pavlik for the same reason, and in the first Hopkins fight (what should have been Taylor's first loss), B-Hop nearly had him out of there in the last rounds, so it's a bit of a pattern
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His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
HOW MANY MORE TIMES FOR FUUCKS SAKES!!
He has got away with being poor by not meeting any top supermiddles yet!
Taylor is a faded middle, he tried his luck at a heavier weight, he weighed in 2lbs under the limit, hes not a supermiddle.
Little fighters like Spinks did better with Taylor;D
All Froch had over Taylor here is a strength advantage, I said it before the fight that Taylor is not strong enough at this weight, he might last in to the 12th and drop, hurt and outpoint Froch but put him in with a decent supermiddle and see what happens;)
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For some ungodly reason I have watched most of Taylor's fights. I am not a fan of his style or anything, but I do think he is a decent man.
When Taylor tries to open up and punch big he loses. He is a strict reflex type boxer. JT tried to decapitate Ouma and tired out really early in that fight. If any opponent watched that tape, they'd know 2 things; Weather what he brings early and find an answer for his jab. JT gets really caught up trying to be a crowd pleaser and loses focus.
And JT complained all the time about making weight. He was a HUGE MW! I think he would have moved up around the same time regardless of his loses to Pavlik.
Having said all of this.. I look forward to JTs next fight. Hell, he brings it. What more can you ask for? He's athletic as they come, but chooses to give up a lot of his physical advantages.
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Any fighter that beat Bernard Hopkins...TWICE...deserves great credit. He has all the physical tools to be a tremendous fighter...but i just feel like he lost his way after the Hopkins fights. He has great jab...but he abandoned it for a while. One can question his stamina as well....but that was never an issue when he fought Hopkins. I think after those fights he changed his style to his detriment. He tried to bang more instead of using his great skills to box more. I also give him props from coming back from that first Pavlik knockout and fighting so well (even though he lost) in the rematch. This last loss will sting...simply because he let it get away. But he has the tools...just needs to sharpen his mind.
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I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !
I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win
Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense
Taylor got shit stamina. He threw away that fight because he's stupid. I'm not trying to take anything from Froch.
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I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !
I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win
Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense
Taylor got shit stamina. He threw away that fight because he's stupid. I'm not trying to take anything from Froch.
He went the distance in hard fights against Winky Wright ,Hopkins and Pavlik but got bombed out late by an average Britsh fighter I suppose.
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Big Dick Whittington
I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !
I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win
Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense
Taylor got shit stamina. He threw away that fight because he's stupid. I'm not trying to take anything from Froch.
He went the distance in hard fights against Winky Wright ,Hopkins and Pavlik but got bombed out late by an average Britsh fighter I suppose.
He faded and lost. 14 Seconds and Froch loses the title. That's where it stands. As it was the ref stepped in.
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His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.
Taylor is "half decent", no?
He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.
If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?
HOW MANY MORE TIMES FOR FUUCKS SAKES!!
He has got away with being poor by not meeting any top supermiddles yet!
Taylor is a faded middle, he tried his luck at a heavier weight, he weighed in 2lbs under the limit, hes not a supermiddle.
Little fighters like Spinks did better with Taylor;D
All Froch had over Taylor here is a strength advantage, I said it before the fight that Taylor is not strong enough at this weight, he might last in to the 12th and drop, hurt and outpoint Froch but put him in with a decent supermiddle and see what happens;)
err what? Losing to a guy is better than knocking him out?
Froch's defence hasn't stopped him from winning. That's a fact.
Taylor went the distance with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy and Joppy. That's a fact.
Froch knocked Taylor out. That's a fact.
It doesn't matter how shit Froch is, it doesn't matter that he was being outboxed - he WON!!! He bettered a whole host of world-class fighters.
And that's another fact. ;)
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;D
It's all about the facts. (This time real ones. ;))
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There's a lot of factual stuff going on around here!
Taylor is a decent fighter, and Froch knocked him out. I don't see what the argument is here. Froch did what he needed to do.
I think his style will see him falter sooner rather than later, but that argument is neither here nor there.
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It is the same argument I was making about Arreola, his weight hasn't made him lose thus far. And he knocks people out routinely. But, at the end of the day, Arreola's weight issues, Froch's defense issues, probably catch up to them.
Speaking of Froch, Boxing: Froch: I want Kessler in Denmark | Setanta.
