Taylor surprised the life out of me .

[Big Dick Whittington]

I thought Taylor fought a great fight his jab was great and his movement excellent that was as lucid a performence I've seen I certainly hope he keeps on fighting and can recover .
I'd pay to watch him again mos def .

Froch started slow , that's no surprise he normally does but I honestly thought he was going to take the fight to the next level technically and fight the fight of his life instead he had to dig deep like never before , we are well use to seeing him rally against good fighters and win Adamu,Woolnough,Magee,Pascal and now Taylor have felt the late powerful surges .
I think alot of people on the forum are being unfair towards both fighters , Taylor didnt run out of steam as dramtically as people say he fought in highly effective bursts right up untill the 11th and Froch showed tremendous courage and calmness above all to brilliantly win in a massive gruelling fight in which big powerful hitters connected with bombs!
What most immpressed me about Froch is even when 90% of fighters would have rushed in and tried to finish Taylor off , he displayed champions poise , he remained calm picked his shots whilst displaying a hunters caution and when all about where losing their's he kept his head !


Be fair on both fighters peeps ,if we knew the script before hand we'd have all been salivaiting , it was a seesaw battle with skill,guts,bottle,toughness.

Cant ask for more than that , 2 very good genuine world calibre fighters engaging in battle , it was a fantastic fight .

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.

Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.

[Gandalf]

Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.

Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.

Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.

Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.

It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.

He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.

[leftylee]

Taylor didn't surprise me at all. Froch is garbage. I had him winning 2 rounds out the 11. His defense is so poor, its unbelievable. Taylor looked different class at times. Let's remember he's a middleweight as well. Yet hurt and outboxed Froch throughout until the 12th. I give Froch credit for the last round and the heart shown but nothing else. He gets in with Kessler, Hopkins etc and they will brutally take him to school.

[leftylee]

Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.

Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.

Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.

Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.

It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.

He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.

Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.

Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.

[OumaFan]

I have no idea what was surprising about Taylor's performance, he's been on TV in big fights for forever, he did what he's done forever, even barring the Winky, Hopkins fights etc. just from watching the second Pavlik fight it would be clear how this fight was going to go, Taylor dominating early but fizzling out, Froch coming on. I just thought Taylor would be able to get through the championship rounds and he didn't.

Its Froch who was more of the unknown, if anyody's performance was surprising it was it. Although even there he kind of fought like he usually fights.

[Rantcatrat]

Taylor didn't surprise me at all. Froch is garbage. I had him winning 2 rounds out the 11. His defense is so poor, its unbelievable. Taylor looked different class at times. Let's remember he's a middleweight as well. Yet hurt and outboxed Froch throughout until the 12th. I give Froch credit for the last round and the heart shown but nothing else. He gets in with Kessler, Hopkins etc and they will brutally take him to school.

Taylor won championship belts at middlweight, but he is a super-middleweight now. He himself said he feels better at that weight. He was weight drained for Pavlik I and he has fought at 168 ever since.

[HattonTheHammer]

The fight was always going to be a complete pick`em

I was confident all along that froch would have too much for taylor but typical froch always has to chase a fight as he starts sooooo slowly.

Anyone who hasnt seen froch without his career would of been completely disheartened when he was 2nd to every punch early on and even i was a tad worried when he got knocked down as it was a genuine KD.

But froch was always going to be too clever a boxer for taylor and the 106-102 from the 2 judges was complete bullshit as i had it dead level going into the last.


Will froch get any credit for an awesome performance on here No, mainly because of the fact he`s another brit whos gone over to america and once again shown their man how to fight, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here other than the last round this was indeed a pick`em contest!

[Rantcatrat]

Last round. Froch went for it because he had to and it paid off. Taylor should have boxed smarter but there you go.

Shades of Mosley/Mayorga. I'm sure the fact that the guy who was ahead on points gets stopped in the last round will draw comparisons.

Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.

Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.

It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.

He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.

Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.

Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.

Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.

To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.

Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.

[Fenster]

Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.

Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.

It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.

He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.

Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.

Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.

Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.

To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.

Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.

Good post.

To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.

[clintuk]

I think Froch fans are being accused a little bit of saying he gave Taylor a boxing lesson, no one here is saying Froch is the prettiest of boxers but the whole point of boxing is that different styles will always emerge and thats what makes it so interesting.

Froch gave Taylor a lesson in determination and heart, and as has been said before, you can't learn that, you've either got it or you haven't.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

[HattonTheHammer]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

No he wasnt

He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

No he wasnt

He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!

when Taylor used his jab, Froch had no answer for it

[El Kabong]

Taylor is one of my favorite fighters but I have to call him out on this loss.

Yes he fought great (so I've heard) and showed true heart (so I've heard). But doesn't anyone remember the rumors about him partying while in camp? JT has to realize that his stamina is for shit, he faded vs Hopkins TWICE, he faded vs Winky Wright and Pavlik and now he fades vs Carl Froch!!!!

JT had Froch down, he had all the points he needed and he couldn't even hang on for 14 seconds.....that is a fucking shame!!!

Taylor has to realize that he needs to be in better condition and if he can't fix it he has to pace himself to have extra energy later on to work out of those championship rounds.

I had very high hopes for him early in his career and he didn't disappoint at middleweight but I thought he could be a champ at 168 and 175 for a long time and right now being a CHAMP at those weights is out of his reach and it's because he either didn't train or didn't plan well enough to win.


Props to Froch though, he's a tough cookie. Joe Calzaghe would still whip his ass but Carl definently won over a lot of fans even if he does have a big mouth (unlike all the other British fighters )