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Best thing that could have happened to him was the beating he took from Prescott imo.
Never did David Haye any harm at all losing to the Cat a few years back and he went on to Unify the Cruiser division and now has a shot at the Heavyweight title.
Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants.
Daily Express | Other Sport :: Ringside: Khan ready to rule the world
The timing is right now that Hatton is about to retire...
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I'm a fan of the guy unlike many on here & am gonna go see him against Kotelnik, but the fact is he's in what could become the deepest division in boxing over the next couple of years, what with Pacquiao & Bradley already there, Ortiz & Alvarado coming up, as well as the number of Lightweights who may move up. He's got the talent but I would be amazed if he can dominate these divisions (LWW/WW) at this time. Also have to say that his rematch with Kindelan was one of the most poorly judged amateur bouts I've seen (and that is saying something) because Kindelan won it handily in my eyes.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That Kindelan rematch was blatantly "Fixed" imo and was a mere launch pad for Amirs pro career.;)
Agree it's a strong division but the facts are Amir made Barrera look like nothing and would have stopped him sooner or later regardless of that cut
Roach has got him bang on it and the difference was obvious to see (hands up high, in out style, fast feet etc...remind you of anyone?) and saprring with Pac is obviously going to pay off and to me it looks like it has already has.
Think he'll have fun with Kotelnik and get the strap but we'll have to see about some other bigger hitting fighters when the time comes.
Sad thing is it's only gonna take one Bomb bang on the jaw or temple and it's good night Khan again.
Shame really as he has every other tool in the box in abundance imo.
you mean like the one hatton took by getting ktfo?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Nah Khan got up;D
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Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That Kindelan rematch was blatantly "Fixed" imo and was a mere launch pad for Amirs pro career.;)
Agree it's a strong division but the facts are Amir made Barrera look like nothing and would have stopped him sooner or later regardless of that cut
Roach has got him bang on it and the difference was obvious to see (hands up high, in out style, fast feet etc...remind you of anyone?) and saprring with Pac is obviously going to pay off and to me it looks like it has already has.
Think he'll have fun with Kotelnik and get the strap but we'll have to see about some other bigger hitting fighters when the time comes.
Sad thing is it's only gonna take one Bomb bang on the jaw or temple and it's good night Khan again.
Shame really as he has every other tool in the box in abundance imo.
based on what? His massive punching power? Sorry Smash that is laughable.
He may have gone back to focusing on speed but as I said elsewhere, he doesn't have the chin or the punch of Pac so it's silly to think he is any kind of second coming to save British boxing now that Hatton has bit the dust at elite level.
just about :cool: against the massive world class fighter, er, what'sisname, who is no where near a world title fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That Kindelan rematch was blatantly "Fixed" imo and was a mere launch pad for Amirs pro career.;)
Agree it's a strong division but the facts are Amir made Barrera look like nothing and would have stopped him sooner or later regardless of that cut
Roach has got him bang on it and the difference was obvious to see (hands up high, in out style, fast feet etc...remind you of anyone?) and saprring with Pac is obviously going to pay off and to me it looks like it has already has.
Think he'll have fun with Kotelnik and get the strap but we'll have to see about some other bigger hitting fighters when the time comes.
Sad thing is it's only gonna take one Bomb bang on the jaw or temple and it's good night Khan again.
Shame really as he has every other tool in the box in abundance imo.
based on what? His massive punching power? Sorry Smash that is laughable.
He may have gone back to focusing on speed but as I said elsewhere, he doesn't have the chin or the punch of Pac so it's silly to think he is any kind of second coming to save British boxing now that Hatton has bit the dust at elite level.
Come off it he was boxing Barreras head off and had him on the back foot throughout the entire fight.
Thats what i saw anyway.
Barrera said himself he was Hungry,trained well and wanted to school him so that was a good MAB who walked to the ring that night and by his own admission too.
Think the ref would have saved marco as he offered absolutely nothing back at all and was shell shocked by Khans speed.
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That Kindelan rematch was blatantly "Fixed" imo and was a mere launch pad for Amirs pro career.;)
Agree it's a strong division but the facts are Amir made Barrera look like nothing and would have stopped him sooner or later regardless of that cut
Roach has got him bang on it and the difference was obvious to see (hands up high, in out style, fast feet etc...remind you of anyone?) and saprring with Pac is obviously going to pay off and to me it looks like it has already has.
Think he'll have fun with Kotelnik and get the strap but we'll have to see about some other bigger hitting fighters when the time comes.
Sad thing is it's only gonna take one Bomb bang on the jaw or temple and it's good night Khan again.
Shame really as he has every other tool in the box in abundance imo.
based on what? His massive punching power? Sorry Smash that is laughable.
He may have gone back to focusing on speed but as I said elsewhere, he doesn't have the chin or the punch of Pac so it's silly to think he is any kind of second coming to save British boxing now that Hatton has bit the dust at elite level.
agreed
I still just cannot get over the fact that people are ready to overlook 2 years of amir being knocked out by prescott knocked down by gomez and various other ordinary boxers just because he managed to outbox a hall of famer for 5rounds who is 13 years his junior and was cut to ribbons within 5minutes.
I see in khan amazing hand speed, good foot movement and the ability to counter both on the front and back foot. But those same old doubts about the guys chin and durability still remain more than ever and while roach can teach him to high heaven not to get hit as often as he did he cannot teach amir how to take a punch or improve the durability of his chin!!
I agree Khan beat Barrera in every department. But Khan to rule the world is laughable. Even Freddie Roach cant do jack shit with that china chin of his.
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Originally Posted by leftylee
You saying Khan won't win a World title against Kotelnik?
He will and he'll make it look easy;)
As for World Domination.... i don't see it! i just posted an article of the possibility
I wish he'd leave the Barrera thing alone now. He got a bad cut. I expected Khan to win quite handily even without the cut on the assumption that Barrera is long gone as a fighter. So imo it's even less impressive to boast about beating him when he only really had one eye.
Other than that, i like him - and good luck to him. Rarely in a dull fight anyway.
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Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You saying Khan won't win a World title against Kotelnik?
He will and he'll make it look easy;)
As for World Domination.... i don't see it! i just posted an article of the possibility
i dunno about that
khan has to start as red hot fave but having seen kotelniks last fight a few months back he can definitely dish it out as well as take it.
Got caught with a fair few big shots that night that he seemed to just be able to walk through..an easy nights work for khan it certainly isnt going to be!
When did I say he wouldn't beat Kotelnik ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You saying Khan won't win a World title against Kotelnik?
He will and he'll make it look easy;)
As for World Domination.... i don't see it! i just posted an article of the possibility
You implied that he would rule the world, to me that suggets he will beat everybody out there and win multiple world titles.
There's a difference between that and winning an alphabet title against the worst world champion at the weight class Andriy Kotelnik.
If your theory is that you "Rule the world" when you win an alphabet title all I can do is this.....:vd:
I saw a 3" flesh wound that poured of blood for five rounds....being on the back foot 'may' have had something to do with that :detective:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
based on what? His massive punching power? Sorry Smash that is laughable.
He may have gone back to focusing on speed but as I said elsewhere, he doesn't have the chin or the punch of Pac so it's silly to think he is any kind of second coming to save British boxing now that Hatton has bit the dust at elite level.
Come off it he was boxing Barreras head off and had him on the back foot throughout the entire fight.
Thats what i saw anyway.
Barrera said himself he was Hungry,trained well and wanted to school him so that was a good MAB who walked to the ring that night and by his own admission too.
Think the ref would have saved marco as he offered absolutely nothing back at all and was shell shocked by Khans speed.
The ref should have saved him in the 1st round.
but you know, keep on talking up Khan's amazing speed. All the funnier when he gets knocked out. Badly.;)
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI saw a 3" flesh wound that poured of blood for five rounds....being on the back foot 'may' have had something to do with that :detective:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Come off it he was boxing Barreras head off and had him on the back foot throughout the entire fight.
Thats what i saw anyway.
Barrera said himself he was Hungry,trained well and wanted to school him so that was a good MAB who walked to the ring that night and by his own admission too.
Think the ref would have saved marco as he offered absolutely nothing back at all and was shell shocked by Khans speed.
The ref should have saved him in the 1st round.
but you know, keep on talking up Khan's amazing speed. All the funnier when he gets knocked out. Badly.;)
I've seen those many a time:-X
Course he'll end up splattered over the canvas sooner or later but all i'm saying is i think he'll beat Kotelnik convincingly and win the belt.
No one knows how far he'll go in between.
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Originally Posted by leftyleeWhen did I say he wouldn't beat Kotelnik ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You saying Khan won't win a World title against Kotelnik?
He will and he'll make it look easy;)
As for World Domination.... i don't see it! i just posted an article of the possibility
You implied that he would rule the world, to me that suggets he will beat everybody out there and win multiple world titles.
There's a difference between that and winning an alphabet title against the worst world champion at the weight class Andriy Kotelnik.
If your theory is that you "Rule the world" when you win an alphabet title all I can do is this.....:vd:
I implied this...
"Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants."
Nothing more
Fair enough. In the wider (world) scene that doesn't mean a whole lot. If was anyone but Khan people (not just me;D) would be saying 'so what.' It's a nothing title.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI saw a 3" flesh wound that poured of blood for five rounds....being on the back foot 'may' have had something to do with that :detective:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The ref should have saved him in the 1st round.
but you know, keep on talking up Khan's amazing speed. All the funnier when he gets knocked out. Badly.;)
I've seen those many a time:-X
Course he'll end up splattered over the canvas sooner or later but all i'm saying is i think he'll beat Kotelnik convincingly and win the belt.
No one knows how far he'll go in between.
I'd like to be 5'8". I don't think I'll get it:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWhen did I say he wouldn't beat Kotelnik ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
You implied that he would rule the world, to me that suggets he will beat everybody out there and win multiple world titles.
There's a difference between that and winning an alphabet title against the worst world champion at the weight class Andriy Kotelnik.
If your theory is that you "Rule the world" when you win an alphabet title all I can do is this.....:vd:
I implied this...
"Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants."
Nothing more
Rule the world ? You've got to be joking. Let me know when he fights someone decent. And I'm not counting a 100 year old Barrera in that. I see he's fighting another bum hand fed to him by Frank Warren in his next fight.
Which is why you named the title of the thread, "Khan-Ready to rule the world" did you not ? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWhen did I say he wouldn't beat Kotelnik ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
You implied that he would rule the world, to me that suggets he will beat everybody out there and win multiple world titles.
There's a difference between that and winning an alphabet title against the worst world champion at the weight class Andriy Kotelnik.
If your theory is that you "Rule the world" when you win an alphabet title all I can do is this.....:vd:
I implied this...
"Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants."
Nothing more
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Originally Posted by leftyleeWhich is why you named the title of the thread, "Khan-Ready to rule the world" did you not ? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I implied this...
"Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants."
Nothing more
Why are you hiding behind your hand:confused:
And Yeah i did because it's the name of the "article" i posted............
Nothing more
No he used the title that the paper headlined with as to introduce the articleQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWhich is why you named the title of the thread, "Khan-Ready to rule the world" did you not ? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I implied this...
"Khans impressed me the way he's bounced back and under Roach i think he'll get the title he so badly wants."
Nothing more
:vd:
i think he will beat Kotelnik too
But he has pissed me off even more with his statement.....
Similar to Express, in Sun this morning "who would thought I would get this far so soon............It took David Haye 7 years to win a title, Carl Frcoh 8 years....I will have done it in half the time"
Yes and it will take Prescott longer.
So why will he have managed to do it in half the time.........
And didn't you say you wanted a rematch with Prescott before you challenged for a world title...:rolleyes:
Haye rebounded from defeat to win the LINEAL title in his 5th year after "earning" his WBC shot through the European title route.
That's a bit different to getting an alphabet shot because you have a big fish promoter.
Kudos to Warren then;D
If i was Khan i'd be VERY happy to have any sort of title shot within 4 years plus a high profile fight with Barrera and after such a brutal loss to Prescott.
Fact is if he beats Kotelnik he's right up there for a crack at a real title.
I'd be happy as with that if i were him:cool:
never thought of it that way, very true - kudos to Warren ;-)
It's Khan annoying me talking as if it was all him who got him this far - and not Warren or the silver medal
He's fighting Kotelnik for the WBA title. That is a REAL "world" title if you take any notice of the big four alphabets.
Warren is quite brilliant at what he does... contrary to what many fans think. ;)
Part of it is also how popular Khan is. The fact is he and Haye remain the only active boxers (assuming Hatton retires) who have names are recognizable to the casual sports fan. Carl Froch may get there after another fight, but the fact remains that his last fight's delayed screening had no publicity behind it and he remains a bit of a no-mark to your average non-boxing fan. Haye is everywhere on Setanta & in the press for the past few months, and Khan is probably the most well-known of recent years after Hatton & Calzaghe because of his Olympic exploits & his initial fights being on ITV
Could you not argue that everything he has got so far has been down to his Silver Medal? Like that's the reason he's supposedly had it all his own way and in a way cheated the system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
But then you could argue that it was he who actually put the graft in to win the medal. There was no promotional bullshit going on. He won the medal which paved the way for this route to the title, so kudos to Khan aswell i say.
I suppose
But Audley got gold !!
Even though I don't like him I will give him kudos when he impresses and beats a top guy between the ropes
What youve got to remember though is Amir is despised in this Country . Even the Brits booed him off the stage in Vegas at the Pac weigh in. This stuff he says does him no favours either so atleast we know he suffers with not being accepted.He is made to feel uncomfortable where ever he goes and he suffers the feeling of rejection at home or abroad :cool: GREAT STUFF! Hope it keeps upQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Think thats a bit harsh GAME, he talks some total crap when it comes to what he's achieved but I think its more the people around him that are milking him for everything he is worth and making him believe. He's a nice guy, a tremendously talented boxer, but he will get stopped again sooner or later. Unless, boilin down to lightweight affected his punch resistance, which i doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWhat youve got to remember though is Amir is despised in this Country . Even the Brits booed him off the stage in Vegas at the Pac weigh in. This stuff he says does him no favours either so atleast we know he suffers with not being accepted.He is made to feel uncomfortable where ever he goes and he suffers the feeling of rejection at home or abroad :cool: GREAT STUFF! Hope it keeps upQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
He'll beat kotelnik, but he won't beat a world class operator. My only worry is he could sneak around people for ages fightin the likes of Urango who he could just outbox for 12 rounds. Surely, as he's got a title fight so early in his career he can't avoid people for ever.
That's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Would you give him credit if he beats Kotelnik? I think there's a chance Khan could go in this fight if he is tagged by a few accurate shots. I'd still pick him to win...probably on points.
Be interesting to see if he opts to fight Ortiz who would be his madatory i think. He stopped Ortiz in the ams so he'd be confident i reckon. Ortiz has developed quite a lot since then though.
It may be viewed as harsh but I just want him to experience some severe pain thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianThink thats a bit harsh GAME, he talks some total crap when it comes to what he's achieved but I think its more the people around him that are milking him for everything he is worth and making him believe. He's a nice guy, a tremendously talented boxer, but he will get stopped again sooner or later. Unless, boilin down to lightweight affected his punch resistance, which i doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWhat youve got to remember though is Amir is despised in this Country . Even the Brits booed him off the stage in Vegas at the Pac weigh in. This stuff he says does him no favours either so atleast we know he suffers with not being accepted.He is made to feel uncomfortable where ever he goes and he suffers the feeling of rejection at home or abroad :cool: GREAT STUFF! Hope it keeps upQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
He'll beat kotelnik, but he won't beat a world class operator. My only worry is he could sneak around people for ages fightin the likes of Urango who he could just outbox for 12 rounds. Surely, as he's got a title fight so early in his career he can't avoid people for ever.
I dont like him and I look forward to watch him suffering. I didnt like Harrisson either and dont think much of De Gale. Its their attitude that pute people off. Ive grown to respect Carl Froch and Calzaghe cuz they are true world class fighters. They started off abit lippy too.
Khan needs to serve his apprenticeship 1st before getting all these underserved opportunities
Amir Khan isn't even the best prospect at 140, i'd put money on young upcoming fighters like Victor Ortiz, Devon Alexander, beating Amir Khan at 140. Instead Amir Khan is probably fighting one of the worst title holders in boxing with no real power what a suprise.Quote:
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Funniest thread title ever! ;D
like when Pacquiao fought Julio Diaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBAmir Khan isn't even the best prospect at 140, i'd put money on young upcoming fighters like Victor Ortiz, Devon Alexander, beating Amir Khan at 140. Instead Amir Khan is probably fighting one of the worst title holders in boxing with no real power what a suprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestylike when Pacquiao fought Julio Diaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBAmir Khan isn't even the best prospect at 140, i'd put money on young upcoming fighters like Victor Ortiz, Devon Alexander, beating Amir Khan at 140. Instead Amir Khan is probably fighting one of the worst title holders in boxing with no real power what a suprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup