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Should winner celebrate while opponenent is out KO'd?
I watched Pac Hatton on HBO etc and thought nothing of how it ended etc.... But a couple of weeks later I watched the Setanta coverage I think, and after Hatton went down and the ref called an end to the fight, Manny obviously throws his hands up and goes and stands on the ropes in the corner etc...
But the comentators are looking at Hatton and going.. "oh my god this is bad (fair enough... BUT, then they say...) Pac should not be celebrating right now.."
What's your opinion... I just thought it was a typical response of the UK commentary when their guy went down, and I am positive if Hatton KO'd Pac in the same manner, the commentators would have been celebrating furiously as well and not said that Hatton should be celebrating on account of Pac still on the canvas....
I don't want this to be a Pac or Hatton issue, just a general discussion....
I do like the respect of people like Shane Mosley who have on more than one occassion celebrated, but then gone to pat the other guy on the head and see if they are okay while they are still laying there on the ground.... I wouldn't suggest every fighter to do this as it's good to kind of have no love lost between fighters..
And Pac is one of the most respectful fighters there are as well.. The fact he didn't go check on Hatton takes nothing away...
But I don't think their should be call for a fighter to not celebrate because he just scored a brutal KO in one of the biggest fights of their career....
If their was real genuine concern after a few minutes with stretcher and neck brace and shit coming out, then it would be fair to stop celebrating... But otherwise it's a bit precious of a comment by the commentators on that broadcast..
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You can't really control the actions of a boxer after knocking out his opponent cold... They go into a fight with the objective of winning and once they attained that, their very first reaction is to celebrate... Tho if the opponent was badly hurt, there were boxers who showed real concern over their fallen opponent...
I observed PAC taking a concern look on the flatten Hatton when he was told by the referee to go to the neutral corner... PAC did console Hatton when Hatton was already on his stool...
http://xs539.xs.to/xs539/09223/h818.jpg
When PAC flatten David Diaz, he tried to help Diaz stand up which I think is not the right thing to do... There are medical personnel around the ring that will be tasked to do these things...
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SaddoBoxer
When PAC flatten David Diaz, he tried to help Diaz stand up which I think is not the right thing to do... There are medical personnel around the ring that will be tasked to do these things...
http://xs539.xs.to/xs539/09223/z521.jpg
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That's like mom trying to get me up to go to school back in the day..
No, I just want to sleep! Thanks for the help, but i'm right to stay here for another 10 minutes..
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I remember Benn taking alot of flack,in the immediate aftermath he jumped on the ropes in celebration,and then you could as it all started to sink in as McClellan lay there.Benn talking to commentators.Sort of a cruel irony and rollercoaster of instant emotions,not knowing in some cases exactly what the toll is.
One that has always stuck for some reason was a Teddy Reid fight with Amirilano (sp?) Valdez some time ago.Reid strikes me as a headcase,but he was a classless and crass fool,was clubbing Valdez,think he had a late shot mixed in.Guy went down in a bad way,obviously in distress,Reid strutting around,acting the f!!!!g jerk.Pretty sure he lapsed into a coma that night.
Remember Tyson doing the whole "Let me help you up" thing lol.Quite often.Knock your head off...and then goes running after it for the poor guy sprawled on the deck.
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Spicoli
I remember Benn taking alot of flack,in the immediate aftermath he jumped on the ropes in celebration,and then you could as it all started to sink in as McClellan lay there.Benn talking to commentators.Sort of a cruel irony and rollercoaster of instant emotions,not knowing in some cases exactly what the toll is.
One that has always stuck for some reason was a Teddy Reid fight with Amirilano (sp?) Valdez some time ago.Reid strikes me as a headcase,but he was a classless and crass fool,was clubbing Valdez,think he had a late shot mixed in.Guy went down in a bad way,obviously in distress,Reid strutting around,acting the f!!!!g jerk.Pretty sure he lapsed into a coma that night.
Remember Tyson doing the whole "Let me help you up" thing lol.Quite often.Knock your head off...and then goes running after it for the poor guy sprawled on the deck.
was just typing the exact same thing about Benn when my PC crashed, good call on that one. Same with Tyson, always thought that was funny too.Frank Bruno was like that too.Could probably count on one hand the number of real shits that would do it deliberately, usually big grudge matches or re matches. For the most point IMO it's all heat of the moment and what happens ten minutes after or at the presse conference counts more.I think you are entitled after sweating your balls off for months and then landing a KO to celebrate.
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jamiebhoy
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
I remember Benn taking alot of flack,in the immediate aftermath he jumped on the ropes in celebration,and then you could as it all started to sink in as McClellan lay there.Benn talking to commentators.Sort of a cruel irony and rollercoaster of instant emotions,not knowing in some cases exactly what the toll is.
One that has always stuck for some reason was a Teddy Reid fight with Amirilano (sp?) Valdez some time ago.Reid strikes me as a headcase,but he was a classless and crass fool,was clubbing Valdez,think he had a late shot mixed in.Guy went down in a bad way,obviously in distress,Reid strutting around,acting the f!!!!g jerk.Pretty sure he lapsed into a coma that night.
Remember Tyson doing the whole "Let me help you up" thing lol.Quite often.Knock your head off...and then goes running after it for the poor guy sprawled on the deck.
was just typing the exact same thing about Benn when my PC crashed, good call on that one. Same with Tyson, always thought that was funny too.Frank Bruno was like that too.Could probably count on one hand the number of real shits that would do it deliberately, usually big grudge matches or re matches. For the most point IMO it's all heat of the moment and what happens ten minutes after or at the presse conference counts more.I think you are entitled after sweating your balls off for months and then landing a KO to celebrate.
Thats it,the heat of the moment.Also in the manner you know?Like when a guy is clearly in command but its an accumulation leading to KO or a sudden shot out of know where.Its that natural instinct of realizing victory.You can also see the fighters that have beaten on a guy...but they just wont fall and they start asking the ref,motioning because they are weary of hurting someone.Sad all around really.Always talk on that Antonio Tarver/Harding rematch......I literally thought Tarver was going to rough that ref up after the fight,he was yelling in his face "What the hell is wrong with you".Ref was not fit to be in their.Harding took a horrific beating,but just wouldn't quit.
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There is no better feeling than knocking out your opponent, it's only natural to throw your arms up and take it all in. I don't think Pac knew how bad Hatton was hurt, he was just celebrating with his fans.
I remember a black female boxer knocking out an opponent and dancing about like a complete fucktard, I just cringed watching her, I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about I did a quick google but found no name or video.
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That was Jim Watt from the Sky commentary team. I can confidently say he would have said the same thing had the roles been reversed. I can recall him making similar comments many times over the years.
I too thought Manny should have cooled the celebration until Hatton was at least sitting up.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
That was Jim Watt from the Sky commentary team. I can confidently say he would have said the same thing had the roles been reversed. I can recall him making similar comments many times over the years.
I too thought Manny should have cooled the celebration until Hatton was at least sitting up.
Agree mate, Jim Watt would say that regardless of who it was , so his comments wouldn't have been biased, I think he has been more like that since the Benn fight when he ironically was the one excusing Benn by saying he was unaware of what was happening to McClellan.
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I think it's too big of an adrenalin rush to simply stop to celebrate for a second. If you're at a football (soccer) match and your team scores a goal, no one in the crowd bothers to check if the goal has been allowed, they just go crazy, it's natural human instinct.
Saying that, pac man did initally go to offer Hatton help or even see if he was ok, but Kenny pushed him out of the way and sent him back to his corner if I remember rightly.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
That was Jim Watt from the Sky commentary team. I can confidently say he would have said the same thing had the roles been reversed. I can recall him making similar comments many times over the years.
I too thought Manny should have cooled the celebration until Hatton was at least sitting up.
I agree with this.
I Don't hold anything against Manny for celebrating but still think he should have cooled it a bit.
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I seem to vaguely recall seeing Roach in an aftermath interview and he said one think that the cameras didn't. And that is that Pacquiao when to the hospital to check on Hatton before he did anything else, it could have been De La Hoya. I didn't read or hear that anywhere else. He was making a comment on the man and not the fighter.
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I would celebrate.....I'd go over to my opponent and do this while he was sleeping:tease-new: :woot22::tease-new: :woot22::tease-new: :woot22:
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Kel
There is no better feeling than knocking out your opponent, it's only natural to throw your arms up and take it all in. I don't think Pac knew how bad Hatton was hurt, he was just celebrating with his fans.
I remember a black female boxer knocking out an opponent and dancing about like a complete fucktard, I just cringed watching her, I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about I did a quick google but found no name or video.
You're thinking of Anne Wolf after taking out Vonda Ward. She was doing the pelvic thrust while Ward was getting oxygen.
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Kel
There is no better feeling than knocking out your opponent, it's only natural to throw your arms up and take it all in. I don't think Pac knew how bad Hatton was hurt, he was just celebrating with his fans.
I remember a black female boxer knocking out an opponent and dancing about like a complete fucktard, I just cringed watching her, I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about I did a quick google but found no name or video.
You're thinking of Anne Wolf after taking out Vonda Ward. She was doing the pelvic thrust while Ward was getting oxygen.
Yeah that's the one killersheep, it was a good KO I remember that, devastating in fact but the way she acted was terrible to watch.
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You can't stop a victor from celebrating, it is by nature a reflexive and instinctive reaction.
Having said that, there are many ways and many levels of this exercise that can be viewed as excessive. In this, as per the case on hand, I would say it as justified and none of the callous variety as insinuated.
When the celebratory actions were made, the extent and severity of the KO have yet to fully manifest itself . And when done so, it was only as a "reaction", and only a short and brief exclaim then afterwards a prayer. This was on top of Manny Pacquiao's prayers in every pre-fight for the safety and deliverance of them both.
To see this as anything else, as a slight or an insensitive display of behavior is parallel to seeing beyond what is really there.
We should know better!
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I agree with most of the posts so far.. KO'ing your opponent is the ultimate victory..
They stepped in the ring knowing that they could be knocked out cold, it's not like KO'ing someone is something that rarely happens in boxing..
With that said, most boxers have enough class to show some attention to the opponent that they just knocked out shortly after their celebration.
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I'm relieved to see some of the posts and agree with most of them. C'mon... fighters are going 100 miles an hour in there, trying their hardest to do just that... KTFO the other guy. To ask them to instantly stop all celebrations to tend to the other guy is unreasonable. But once the initial euphoria subsides, and it's clear that the other guy is still out... yeah, it's not only good sportsmanship, but common human decency to show some genuine concern.
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Look; I'm just a fan. I get amped up waiting months for a fight; so when a fighter I root for KTFO the other guy I'm doing cartwheels around my house. That's just from a observationists point of view. Now I can't imagine how it must feel to be the guy who trained like a maniac and gets the ko; too much adrenaline and relief and pride to just shut all that down and expect him to want to hold the guy's hand who is sleeping on the canvas. This combat, not knitting competition.
Wit that said; I think any decent human will calm down after a minute and could show some concern. I worry more about it when a guy takes a sustained beating and the fight has to be stopped. Kind of like Oscar Diaz getting brutalized by Delvin Rodriguez. I wouldn't celebrate knowing the other guy was like that.
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absolutly not !!!! After the sometimes two to three weeks these guys spend shadowboxing, talking shit, showing off thier bling, families, cars, where they hang out at, threating the opponet blah blah etc....when they get ko'ed (when half the time the only reason people watch is to see it) they shoud black out the arena play soft barney re-runs on the monitior and swiftly before the fighters head lands on a soft pillow slid under his head by the ref immediatly after the blow be rushed out under the cover of darkness where he can heal
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Meh, this is a sport where we celebrate and encourage people to knock other people out cold. Knocking someone unconscious is THE BEST thing you can do in this sport, so How can we tell them not to celebrate it?
I've seen a lot of celebrations that I thought were very tasteless (Ann Wolfe after her brutal KO of Vonda Ward comes to mind), but thats the name of the game.
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Pac did nothing wrong...
Pac usually goes to his corner kneels down prays.
I'm certain he thanks god for everything and prays that all is well. :)
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Alright gonna bring this one up cause it sticks out to me.
I remember when I was watching the fight, I thought it was cool and I laughed and I cheered and I yelled at the TV...
But seeing it now years later it's not the same and it does look shitty to be honest and tasteless.
This is Erik Morales after defeating Bobby Velardez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnXzwgnTD4
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CutMeMick
Alright gonna bring this one up cause it sticks out to me.
I remember when I was watching the fight, I thought it was cool and I laughed and I cheered and I yelled at the TV...
But seeing it now years later it's not the same and it does look shitty to be honest and tasteless.
This is Erik Morales after defeating Bobby Velardez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnXzwgnTD4
I believe Velardez insulted Morales prior to the fight and was really talking thrash againts Erik and his brother Diego.
It doesnt justify it though
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You really cant blame a young prospect for celebrating after a big KO :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3YTAGhWCtw
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Well I'd rather celebrate after a knokout, rather than celebrate and then get KTFO;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3D7h5yxOs
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miron_lang
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CutMeMick
Alright gonna bring this one up cause it sticks out to me.
I remember when I was watching the fight, I thought it was cool and I laughed and I cheered and I yelled at the TV...
But seeing it now years later it's not the same and it does look shitty to be honest and tasteless.
This is Erik Morales after defeating Bobby Velardez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnXzwgnTD4
I believe Velardez insulted Morales prior to the fight and was really talking thrash againts Erik and his brother Diego.
It doesnt justify it though
Erik did that because Bobby had beaten his brother Diego.
It was more of payback...
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SaddoBoxer
He was looking at Ricky, is that bad or good? I don't understand the point of that post......unless.........have you just cracked one off?
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Kel
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SaddoBoxer
He was looking at Ricky, is that bad or good? I don't understand the point of that post......unless.........have you just cracked one off?
The 2nd picture tells it all on how PAC felt for the flatten Hatton...
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Alright gonna bring this one up cause it sticks out to me.
I remember when I was watching the fight, I thought it was cool and I laughed and I cheered and I yelled at the TV...
But seeing it now years later it's not the same and it does look shitty to be honest and tasteless.
This is Erik Morales after defeating Bobby Velardez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnXzwgnTD4
Which is why, although I respect Morales the fighter, I can't stand him as a person. I've rooted against him every time, and always favored an all-time favorite of mine, Barrera, in his feuds against Morales.
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Erik's deal wasn't so bad...
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I always though it showed a lot of character when a fighter went over to his fallen opponent to see if he was ok. Thats one one the reasons I liked Tyson of all people. But on the other hand, this is a business, and it is the nature of the sport. You knock a guy out cold and you are rewarded. After, the fight is over though, yeah I do like to see good sportsmanship and an itiatial celebration is ok as long as the fighter goes over to see his opponent when he cools down a bit. The thing about a fight though is that your mind i still racing and adrenaline is still flowing after the fight for a few minutes. I rarely even remember my reaction after a fight. In the amateurs if im working a corner we always remend the fighter after the fight to go shake his opponents hand, not because the wouldnt anyways, they just usually just too wound up to think about it.