I was wondering if PBF, and manny dont fight shane, could the reason be that they know that fight will always be there, and if and when one of them loses again they can cash that mosely check...
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I was wondering if PBF, and manny dont fight shane, could the reason be that they know that fight will always be there, and if and when one of them loses again they can cash that mosely check...
That could be possible, but I'm not sure its actually correct.
Shane is a very advanced age for a boxer.
He's had a huge burst of motivation lately.
the only source of this motivation I can see is the forthcoming closure of his career. He wants to finish on a high.
Hmmnnn... possibly... Shane is a decent money fight for both... bigger than a JMM fight in terms of money....
Another source of motivation for Shane to chase the big fights and earn more money is his divorce expenses...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Wrong, JMM brings in Mexican fans, who are the last really big-spending group to spend money on boxing. Shane doesn't have a huge fanbase & he's not a major PPV star. JMM has a huge fanbase just by virtue of being the great Mexican fighter of the present time, & those fans are more likely to spend money on a PPV or going to a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Shane would not fighter the losers of any fight, he has only a few fights left in him and he would not take sloppy seconds.
You could be right that JMM is bigger attraction than Sugar Shane Mosley right now but I think it's still highly debatable... Years back, JMM played 2nd or 3rd billing to the likes of warriors Erik Morales, Barrera and even Jorge Arce to the eyes of Mexican boxing fans coz JMM's play safe counterpunching style is not the usual Mexican brawling warrior style of boxing... In general, boxing fans love offensive brawlers as against defensive counterpunchers... JMM was even considered "can't draw flies" at one point... But since Mexican boxing idols were falling to the wayside one by one (Morales, Castillo, Barrera, Mijares, Margacheato, Arce, Angulo, etc.), JMM might be the #1 Mexican boxer right now in terms of fans popularity tho I think Chavez Jr. has a say about that...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWrong, JMM brings in Mexican fans, who are the last really big-spending group to spend money on boxing. Shane doesn't have a huge fanbase & he's not a major PPV star. JMM has a huge fanbase just by virtue of being the great Mexican fighter of the present time, & those fans are more likely to spend money on a PPV or going to a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Why do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadBoxerYou could be right that JMM is bigger attraction than Sugar Shane Mosley right now but I think it's still highly debatable... Years back, JMM played 2nd or 3rd billing to the likes of warriors Erik Morales, Barrera and even Jorge Arce to the eyes of Mexican boxing fans coz JMM's play safe counterpunching style is not the usual Mexican brawling warrior style of boxing... In general, boxing fans love offensive brawlers as against defensive counterpunchers... JMM was even considered "can't draw flies" at one point... But since Mexican boxing idols were falling to the wayside one by one (Morales, Castillo, Barrera, Mijares, Margacheato, Arce, Angulo, etc.), JMM might be the #1 Mexican boxer right now in terms of fans popularity tho I think Chavez Jr. has a say about that...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWrong, JMM brings in Mexican fans, who are the last really big-spending group to spend money on boxing. Shane doesn't have a huge fanbase & he's not a major PPV star. JMM has a huge fanbase just by virtue of being the great Mexican fighter of the present time, & those fans are more likely to spend money on a PPV or going to a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him. :rolleyes:
Little ways to go before they should assume Mosley a stepping stone.I think in that scenario that both might run a risk of going 0-2.
Stating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milesWhy do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadBoxerYou could be right that JMM is bigger attraction than Sugar Shane Mosley right now but I think it's still highly debatable... Years back, JMM played 2nd or 3rd billing to the likes of warriors Erik Morales, Barrera and even Jorge Arce to the eyes of Mexican boxing fans coz JMM's play safe counterpunching style is not the usual Mexican brawling warrior style of boxing... In general, boxing fans love offensive brawlers as against defensive counterpunchers... JMM was even considered "can't draw flies" at one point... But since Mexican boxing idols were falling to the wayside one by one (Morales, Castillo, Barrera, Mijares, Margacheato, Arce, Angulo, etc.), JMM might be the #1 Mexican boxer right now in terms of fans popularity tho I think Chavez Jr. has a say about that...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
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I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him. :rolleyes:
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Maybe. But it could be down to how long he has left. The longer they leave it, the more likely it is that Shane fades with age. Plus he's basically waiting for a fight with one of those two or Cotto, so they don't have to rush things.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
fair play to paul williams, taking on a rather bizzarely still unknown entity in winky was pretty brave.
I consider sugar to be in the same category. The guy doesnt neccesarily do anything great, but he doesnt have a single flaw and is extremely hard to hit properly.
not when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" :rolleyes:) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handleQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerStating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milesWhy do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadBoxer
I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him. :rolleyes:
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I'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" :rolleyes:) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handleQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerStating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
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As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...
On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
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on another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerI'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" :rolleyes:) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handleQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...
On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
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I have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleson another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerI'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...
On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
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What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...;)
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knockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played outQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerI have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleson another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...;)
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Scoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesknockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played outQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerI have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...;)
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and then only managed to squeek out a draw :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerScoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesknockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played outQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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I think the KD's that keep a guy down are really the ones that keep fans talking.In the Hatton fight the 1st 2 were side notes to Pacs ability to land so easily/often......the last one will be on highlight reels for ages.Basically,If a guy is not hurt badly and the other fighter does not capitalize ....its really just a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerScoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesknockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played outQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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Well said... KDs a special experience... It's a rare occurence... Scoring a KD is a feat by itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI think the KD's that keep a guy down are really the ones that keep fans talking.In the Hatton fight the 1st 2 were side notes to Pacs ability to land so easily/often......the last one will be on highlight reels for ages.Basically,If a guy is not hurt badly and the other fighter does not capitalize ....its really just a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerScoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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I am a pac-fan but i gotta say yes i think hes not invincible but the point in my mind is that JMM was the past hes constantly evolved and add the fact the pacquiao didnt have a decent right hook when he fought JMM. The same right hook that took down the fighter known as Ricky Fatton rofl. I admit i haven't seen a JMM fight lately but i think JMM hasnt improved by leaps and bounds lately since age comes into play. But look at it this way, JMM has been KO'd by manny 3 times when he was still an unrefined brawler (IMO) and what would you think will happen when the JMM whos improved slightly fights the Pacman whos improved like he was a pokemon evolved? I dont know but we have to really see that fight to really know what will happen but in a logical point of view that wouldnt be good for JMM.
he's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/FreitasQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerWell said... KDs a special experience... It's a rare occurence... Scoring a KD is a feat by itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI think the KD's that keep a guy down are really the ones that keep fans talking.In the Hatton fight the 1st 2 were side notes to Pacs ability to land so easily/often......the last one will be on highlight reels for ages.Basically,If a guy is not hurt badly and the other fighter does not capitalize ....its really just a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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umm they just fought last year, and Manny hasn't really improved or "evolved" much since then, he's as complete as he ever is gonna get, he already had the right hook and all that in the rematch, and JMM won even clearer than in the first fight, and your reference to Manny being a Pokeyourmom, is proof enough that it's just another non-knowledgable "fighter"fan coming onto the forumQuote:
Originally Posted by hakkai999
Dude stop being so arrogant and stuck up. Thats called lightening up the mood. EVER HEAR OF IT? Its cause if Fans of Boxer X and Boxer Y collided tensions run high. Your being a moronic bastard who has a stick up your god damn a** and to your retort on my post of pacquiao having a right hook on their match - Do you even watch Pac fights? Cause i definitely see alot of changes with him since JMM. In the JMM fights he usually gets too agitated and run in unprepared for JMM's counters. Now i see him as less aggressive and more careful and his right hook is fully utilized. In the JMM fight the more dominant fist was and always was the left cause obviously hes a lefty, a southpaw.
Yeah REAL mature ETM. Minus my rep like i care. Its stuck up people like you that give this forum a distasteful name. Your as bad as manuel perez at boxingnews24.com
i watch ALL boxing fights, unlike you, who said that you haven't seen JMM's recent fights (Casamayor & Juan Diaz), when those are two of the biggest wins in his career, and both merit more praise that Pac's wins over Diaz and DLH, he already had the right hook since his rematches against Morales, way before the Marquez rematch, and JMM handled the right hooks just fine, obviously he's gonna look like a phenom when he beats a shitty fighter in David Diaz (who was never remotely close to being #1 at 135), a shot weight drained DLH, and then the win i do give him full credit for in Hatton, but Hatton is hardly a technical fighter now is heQuote:
Originally Posted by hakkai999
Spi did gave high praise for PAC's final KD on Hatton... That KD is appropriately known as one-punch KO... One-punch KO is the ultimate boxing experience that kept boxing fans mesmerized for years... As what Spi said, that KD/KO will be in highlight reels for ages...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/FreitasQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerWell said... KDs a special experience... It's a rare occurence... Scoring a KD is a feat by itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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did you not just read what i wrote? even bolded it for you if you need help :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerSpi did gave high praise for PAC's final KD on Hatton... That KD is appropriately known as one-punch KO... One-punch KO is the ultimate boxing experience that kept boxing fans mesmerized for years... As what Spi said, that KD/KO will be in highlight reels for ages...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/FreitasQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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The last KD was impressive.But to speak as if KD's are a rarity in the sport is not accurate.It can be a culmination and lead to a KD that ends matters,Hatton.....or a point at which the fight begins to turn-ebb and flow and wakes a fighter up, JMM:cwm13:.And for shite sack,at least enter the last 4 letters:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerSpi did gave high praise for PAC's final KD on Hatton... That KD is appropriately known as one-punch KO... One-punch KO is the ultimate boxing experience that kept boxing fans mesmerized for years... As what Spi said, that KD/KO will be in highlight reels for ages...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/FreitasQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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*Sigh* Im tired of arguing with someone who fails to listen. Im saying that I myself havent watched JMM's latest fights. and oh people always say crap about people who Pac faces. Like Diaz - he wasnt that good ODLH- he was weight drained Hatton- he was a bum and a no good boxer. Its always the case. And im telling yeah im a noob at this thing called boxing and im not trying to make myself knowledgeable. Im just sharing what i know and im not trying to be stuck up like you thinking your like a genius when it comes to boxing analysis.
Even if KDs are just points in the scorecards, scoring a KD is already a special feat in itself... You'll be awarded accordingly for scoring a KD, a 2 point margin and another 1 point for each additional KD within the same round...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdid you not just read what i wrote? even bolded it for you if you need help :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerSpi did gave high praise for PAC's final KD on Hatton... That KD is appropriately known as one-punch KO... One-punch KO is the ultimate boxing experience that kept boxing fans mesmerized for years... As what Spi said, that KD/KO will be in highlight reels for ages...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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David Diaz IS a bumQuote:
Originally Posted by hakkai999
De La Hoya IS shot, and at 147 IS weight drained
and i gave Pacquiao full credit for beating Hatton, i thought Ricky was going to win and Manny pulled off the win, good for him, but with that said, there's no denying that Ricky Hatton is no ring technician, nobody thought that he was going to outbox Pacquiao, and i know plenty about boxing, i'm not new to the sport, i was raised with boxing in my life, so although i don't see eye to eye with everyone, i know what i'm talking about where boxing is concerned, i have Morales' name in my screen name yet i NEVER over-praise any fighter, nor do i jump on bandwagon's like SOME do, good luck with learning more about the sport, but the best way to do it is by learning from fights in the past, and not focusing so much on the present, cause honestly boxing is still strong and still a great sport, but it's nowhere near where it used to be
not really, a shot Jones Jr dropped Calzaghe, it didn't help him one bit, and what do people remember more, the beating Calzaghe gave Jones? or the KD?Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerEven if KDs are just points in the scorecards, scoring a KD is already a special feat in itself... You'll be awarded accordingly for scoring a KD, a 2 point margin and another 1 point for each additional KD within the same round...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdid you not just read what i wrote? even bolded it for you if you need help :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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Pff heck id rather watch WWE than boring boxing matches lol and that says a lot lol not that i wanna get on any debates about wrestling but you get the point. Boxing needs fuel for it to run. I hope it doesnt run out of exciting boxers soon since MMA is still hot off its heels and boxing has to compete with basketball which is usually very popular.
yea it says that you have no place here, you're just another PacFanboyQuote:
Originally Posted by hakkai999
I remember the KD RRJ scored on Calzaghe and also the KD scored by B-Hop on Calzaghe... I also remember the butt pumping Calzaghe did on B-Hop...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, a shot Jones Jr dropped Calzaghe, it didn't help him one bit, and what do people remember more, the beating Calzaghe gave Jones? or the KD?Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerEven if KDs are just points in the scorecards, scoring a KD is already a special feat in itself... You'll be awarded accordingly for scoring a KD, a 2 point margin and another 1 point for each additional KD within the same round...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Aww mr eriknutlicker is sore again. Maybe a lick in his nuts will get you back on track for not reading my EDITED post now huh?
I don't doubt that for a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerI remember the KD RRJ scored on Calzaghe and also the KD scored by B-Hop on Calzaghe... I also remember the butt pumping Calzaghe did on B-Hop...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, a shot Jones Jr dropped Calzaghe, it didn't help him one bit, and what do people remember more, the beating Calzaghe gave Jones? or the KD?Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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Some of the time you dont know its going to be a 'boring boxing matches' until.....you know.....watch the fight actually unfold ??Quote:
Originally Posted by hakkai999
Dont worry about the MMA...Boxing has been grappling major headlines for over a century.MMA, while somewhat entertaining is basking in its shadow for the large part.
True... MMA aint THAT popular yet. Besides most people dont like MMA cause its too gory? (Most people i know anyway) They like boxing cause its less gory. but not that much like MMA.