has any1 ever just said in the middle of a round fuck this and quit a no a lot of ppl have quit at the end of rounds but cant remember any1 in the middle of the round just stoping without the reffs help.
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has any1 ever just said in the middle of a round fuck this and quit a no a lot of ppl have quit at the end of rounds but cant remember any1 in the middle of the round just stoping without the reffs help.
Erm... ever heard of 'No Mas'?? ;D
Well Andrew Golota quit against Michael Grant after he was knocked down, Andrew Golota started walking around the ring. And the ref asked him do you want to fight ? and he said no, thats the first one that comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
Really Ice? Not Duran just turning round & walking away because he didn't like how the other guy was fightingQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell Andrew Golota quit against Michael Grant after he was knocked down, Andrew Golota started walking around the ring. And the ref asked him do you want to fight ? and he said no, thats the first one that comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
lol thats right remember the golota 1 also macall kind of quit in with lewis but that was not cause of the beating a think
Nonito's older brother Glenn Donaire. Darchinyan broke his jaw. He waved his hand just like Ortiz did.
Nope to be honest that wasn't on my mind at all, really strange how your brain works at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinReally Ice? Not Duran just turning round & walking away because he didn't like how the other guy was fightingQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell Andrew Golota quit against Michael Grant after he was knocked down, Andrew Golota started walking around the ring. And the ref asked him do you want to fight ? and he said no, thats the first one that comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
just watched the no mas on you tube there forgot all about that 1 it was pretty bad did he talk about why he quit after the fight
Stomach cramps supposedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
yeah thats the first one that came to my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Steelhammer
He was getting embarrassed and used a shit load of excuses like Leonard was clowning around, stomach aches, not being prepared, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
The Duran fight came into my mind first. Probably the most famous fight in boxing history where a so called Macho warrior just quits.
I remember when Benitez suffered some kind of broken leg after a flash knockdown against Davey Moore. The referee was waving the fight to continue but Benitez kept looking at the ref and pointing to his leg, so the ref finally had to wave it off. Now that's not exactly saying fuck it, but it wasn't just the ref calling it either.
As for no mas, yeah, that's about the only one that comes to mind where a guy says "fuck it" for no apparent reason at all, no knockdown, nothing. That was a big fight too. Seems to me there was some issue about whether Duran would get paid, I can't remember how that turned out.
so called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plentyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe was getting embarrassed and used a shit load of excuses like Leonard was clowning around, stomach aches, not being prepared, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
The Duran fight came into my mind first. Probably the most famous fight in boxing history where a so called Macho warrior just quits.
back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round
Yeah, I remember the cramps story coming from the Duran cramp some time after the fight, that might be part of it, more likely that the man he totally despised got inside his head in a way he couldn't deal with. But Duran gets a benefit of the doubt that few other boxers would. At the time I was not at all pleased with how this unfolded, but now I don't really care one way or another.
McCall was going through crack withdrawl in the rematch...he was still never phased by any of Lewis' punches which is surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
Michael Grant broke his foot/dislocated an ankle vs Jameel McCline and Jameel fucked his knee up vs Valuev.
Don't know if those help at all
Cintron against Margarito in their 1st fight.
You mean when he broke down and cried? Margarito beat the tears out of him in the second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I think of Oliver McCall, it was a sad sight to see the man was obviously going through a lot and withdrawls that fight should have never went on. I still wonder if McCall was in the right frame of mind if Lewis would have beat him. There should have been a third fight
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Originally Posted by MajestyYou mean when he broke down and cried? Margarito beat the tears out of him in the second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I think of Oliver McCall, it was a sad sight to see the man was obviously going through a lot and withdrawls that fight should have never went on. I still wonder if McCall was in the right frame of mind if Lewis would have beat him. There should have been a third fight
Yeah when Cintron basically sat down on the canvas; got up and walked to the corner and gave his cornerman a look and they stopped the fight with no seeming indication frm Cintron he wanted any more. Yeah, then the crying.
Yeah the McCall thing was weird; not sure he quit because I don't tink honestly he was ever in the fight to begin with, physically yeah but mentally no way. Part of me wanted a 3rd fight but part said I didn't want to see that again.
There was a fight{it' on youtube but I can't find it}with some white guy with braids and he jumped out of the ring and got punched on the way out. Not sure if he was a pro or not but that was QUIT of the century.
Here he is in all his glory;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A77xlV4U4
This guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesso called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plentyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe was getting embarrassed and used a shit load of excuses like Leonard was clowning around, stomach aches, not being prepared, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleven
The Duran fight came into my mind first. Probably the most famous fight in boxing history where a so called Macho warrior just quits.
back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round
He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.
Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.
Freitas quit against Dieago Corrales. Freitas was winning the fight, but started to tire and caught some bombs from Diego and said F-this and waved it off.
Frietas against Diego Corraleas. He was taking a beating and just upped and quit. No mas. His nickname was Popo which means mother's milk. It fit.
lol I was about to go looking for this while still on the first page. Glad I checked 2nd page first. Saved some time, "Hey look, that guy got Hackney'd!"Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
He did show great heart against Jorge Barrios though, in a great fight i don't think its fair that some fans say he has no heart. Because he showed a ton of it in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Every time I see that I think it might have been a lot more funny if his opponent stopped still and just watched where that guy ended up after that crazy jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Ha, I'm with you there. It would have been funny to watch the guy pull a punch and see the guy on the ropes fall out of the ring all on his own. You can run but you can't hide.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelEvery time I see that I think it might have been a lot more funny if his opponent stopped still and just watched where that guy ended up after that crazy jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by ICBHe did show great heart against Jorge Barrios though, in a great fight i don't think its fair that some fans say he has no heart. Because he showed a ton of it in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Yes, that was one for the ages, but that one ruined him. He also quit on his stool against Diaz. Must be something in the Conneticut water.
I'm always a little hesitant to label a guy a quitter or heartless.I dont get punched in the face for a living so its a shit thing to do hastily.There are given circumstances with different fighters.Some endure beatings and when its so late that they see no recourse or have simply taken too much punishment...some opt out.Some guys are even up or in control and then get hit right on the nose or dropped,eyes water,blood pours,doubt swirls inside of the grey matter and they fail the gut check.Each fighter is different.
One of the oddest things Ive seen is what happened at the end of the Carlos Navaroo/Bobby Pacquioa fight.The man...Navarro went down a couple of times & all but demanded to be counted out azz he sat on his backside staring at the ref.....yelling at him "count" !!He punched the canvas after the last KD and just stayed there.....counting with the ref:o
Years ago young undefeated and rising top contender Todd Foster went into a big fight/showcase with war torn and come backing former light champion Jimmy Paul out of Kronk.Paul was trailing but you could see subtle shifts and Pauls jab had Todds eyes swelling.Along comes the forth and Foster gets nailed and goes down hard.Paul knew he had the young Foster who started trying to match jabs much to his detriment.Foster got cut and dropped in the 6th with a hook and Paul wailed on him to end the round.One of his corner men asked Todd in between rounds..."Do you have your head about you" and he answered No.Asked again he responded no in a shaky voice.He got off the stool but you could see what was coming.About 20 seconds into the round after a light combination Foster turned away,waived his hand at Paul and walked away.His corner did not "help him out" so he took it upon himself.Either way he had to live with it from there on out. Shite, off on a ramble here ;D
Kennedy seemed to change his mind right here.Brutal round and even better turn around:shinner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYECYPrXj1A
Wayne Rigby-Michael Ayres
After beating the living shit out of eachother for 10 rounds they almost quit at the same time, well Ayres quit for Rigby, if you get my drift
was oliver mccall reall suffering from crack withdrawel.
the clip of the guy jumping out of the ring was funny what the hell was he thinking lol
first fight has plenty of significance, a lightweight, the greatest lightweight ever, outmuscled and pounded away at a TRUE welterweight and won using sheer force, and Leonard was a warrior when he chose to, sorry but lost plenty of respect with Ray when he did his whole "a match between me and Marvin would be legendary, but it will never happen" and even when the fight did happen, all he did was fight for the last 30 seconds of each round, Hagler won that fight and then was given the shaft, Leonard without a shadow of a doubt is an ATG, but he's done plenty of un-warriorlike things, for example waiting so long to give Duran and Hearns a rematch, Hearns getting the shaft in the rematch in a fight that Leonard clearly lost, Duran took on the best just like Leonard did, difference is he was always there to fight, and Duran/Hearns (although brutally KO'd), Duran/Hagler (against a naturally bigger man), and Duran/Barkley all clearly show thatQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThis guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesso called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plentyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round
He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.
Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.
Do you think i would be able to find any footage of it ? sounds like a closet classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You did know that Leonard was recovering from a detached retina right? You did know that he got messed up for fighting Hearns right? The Hagler fight couldn't happen for those reasons at that time. Leonard only fought 1 fight for 5 years before taking on Hagler. Everyone predicted he would get ko by what seems to be an invincible Hagler. The fight was really close and to this day it's still hotly debated who won. To say Leonard clearly lost isnt' showing any objectiveness. The only unwarrior like thing Leonard ever did was make Lalonde fight at a catchweight of 168 for his LHW title.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfirst fight has plenty of significance, a lightweight, the greatest lightweight ever, outmuscled and pounded away at a TRUE welterweight and won using sheer force, and Leonard was a warrior when he chose to, sorry but lost plenty of respect with Ray when he did his whole "a match between me and Marvin would be legendary, but it will never happen" and even when the fight did happen, all he did was fight for the last 30 seconds of each round, Hagler won that fight and then was given the shaft, Leonard without a shadow of a doubt is an ATG, but he's done plenty of un-warriorlike things, for example waiting so long to give Duran and Hearns a rematch, Hearns getting the shaft in the rematch in a fight that Leonard clearly lost, Duran took on the best just like Leonard did, difference is he was always there to fight, and Duran/Hearns (although brutally KO'd), Duran/Hagler (against a naturally bigger man), and Duran/Barkley all clearly show thatQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThis guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.
Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.
While your macho hero got outbox and outclass in that 2nd fight but yet he's the ultimate warrior right? And this was a big championship fight with people paying their hard earn money to see it on Pay Per View. What does the macho warrior do? He quits in a big championship match. And then Duran and his fans come up with lame excuses that Leonard cheated, Leonard acting like a clown, Duran was rushed into the fight, Duran had stomach cramps, I didn't say "No mas", excuses galore. Outbox and outclass and then quit.
In the eyes of the general public and casual sports fans "No mas" defined his career. The boxing fans might remember Duran fighting Hagler comfortably in that fight or him beating Moore or Barkley or being a great LW but in the eyes of the public and casual sports fans the name of Duran is associated with "No Mas" in the championship fight with Leonard.
To get back on track this thread is entitled, "Quit in the Ring". And that in my opinion is the biggest quit in a fight that was so huge and on Pay Per View.
I remember that fight, Navarro vs Bobby Pacquiao. It was odd. It was as if Navaro did not approve of the referee's ability in calling the fight that he took control and showed the referee himself how it should be handled. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The McCall fight too was, an odd and had an abrupt end to a fight. It was just a routine round winding down when without reason nor provocation whatsoever, Oliver McCall, just started crying uncontrollably and soon after a stoppage. What other recourse could there have been but stop the fight? The guy was brought down not by blows, but by his own tears. Of course at the time, little did I know that he had two bouts going on in the ring, one boxing and another for drug withrawal, LOL. Bizarre.
Speaking of bizarre, sorry to digress a bit, the parachute incident in the Bowe/ Holyfield match was one incident to remember for an aberration like situation in a bout. You cannot simply believe what is happenning right before your very eyes. You have to blink and refocus without a doubt, but odd as the picture was, it is there, reality after all.
A parachute landed in an ongoing bout. Security for the protagonists was, in a split of a second, a prime concern as any. However... for a few seconds there, after the parachute landed... everyone was just awestruck, and frozen for a second or two.
In a flash the parachute guy was subdued, was struck numerous times, beaten down with flashlights and sticks by security, and I think, members of Holyfield's corner...as I remember.... Guns could have been unholstered, I am uncertain, but as anyone can just guess could have been a given reaction by security, under those circumstances.
The odd incident though, did not abbreviate the fight. After the guy was carted away, the fight resumed, picking it up were they left off as if... announced as, "the ongoing program is now resumed" back to your seats. Business as usual. Bizarre!
Go watch how Leonard and Duran fought Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThis guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesso called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plentyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round
He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.
Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.
Then come back and tell us all who the real warrior was.
Bobby Czyz :-X.Hell of a good analyst....good fighter.
But never met a stool that he found uncomfortable. Ok that was low
HBO has had some pussys on lately not to mention guerrero, ortiz and in my eyes cintron who intentionally took a 10 count against martinez because he was getting whopped so bad.
These guys should seriously be taking up someone like barrera as a role model.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm shocked!! :-X :o