V. Klitschko, Haye reach deal
Vitali KO 5th round
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V. Klitschko, Haye reach deal
Vitali KO 5th round
It's Hayemaker time!
Haye KO 6.
i cant see Haye winning this one. He doesnt have the power to push Vitali off and Vitali has never been ko'ed yet. Haye will be worn down and his stamina will give him away half way down the fight. Haye vs Wlad would be better but this will be interesting too. I dont think Haye will pull off another Lennox.
Vitali ko 6
Glad to see Haye is trying to get a fight in before the year is out.
Vitali seems a tougher nut than Wlad IMO. Haye needs to hope that Vitali is getting a bit old and worn. If not, Vitali will most likely just bully him down over several rounds.
I wish Haye well and hope he can pull off the shock, but it's a tough ask.
Vitali inside 3 rounds
Not a prayer. Vitali will win this. I'm gutted really, because I honestly believed that if Haye fought Wladimir, he'd knock him out. But Vitali won't drop and is likely to land enough significant blows to end it. As much as I appreciate what Setanta brought to the sport in the UK, I am so pissed they ruined the Wlad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
David Haye by TKO due to Vitali Klitschko not being able to continue based on injuries :-\
i agree, i thought haye would have wlads number, but vitali is another kettle of fish all together, i always give haye a chance with his power tho, give him his due hes one seriously brave dude. can only see a vitali ko in this one, but stranger things have happened in boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnNot a prayer. Vitali will win this. I'm gutted really, because I honestly believed that if Haye fought Wladimir, he'd knock him out. But Vitali won't drop and is likely to land enough significant blows to end it. As much as I appreciate what Setanta brought to the sport in the UK, I am so pissed they ruined the Wlad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
In the middle of first round, Haye will be thinking "how did I get myself into this? wtf was I thinking? This guy is strong". Vitali by brutal and inhumane 2nd round KO.
I think it mite go very similar to how Vitali - Herbie Hide went.Haye is a small heavyweigh with speed and power much like Hide and get ko ktfo in 2rounds.I do see Haye lasting abit longer.
I do live in hope that Haye can use his speed to dash in and out of range with out been hit by Vitalis sledgehammers.
If Haye wins how much credit would he get? I would give him all the credit in the world. going after the most dangerous fighter in the division and getting the win.Iam sure some people would just say Vitali has aged and has only fought once in the last few years.
I think people are underrating David Haye a little bit, and overrating Vitali Klitschko, infact i've always thought Vitali Klitschko is a bit overrated. So he gave a good effort against an overweight/old Lennox Lewis.
Hell Ray Mercer done better against a younger Lennox Lewis, and Zeljko Mavrovic. Didn't do bad either so who else has Vitali Klitschko really beaten ? because the fact is and this is quite a sad comment, is that this could be the best opponent Vitali Klitschko has ever fought, except for Lennox Lewis.
A part time police officer and a man who takes golf more serious than boxing, AKA Corrie Sanders don't really cut it. Neither does the whale Kirk Johnson, or the mis-match fight with Danny Williams. Or quitting on a injury against Chris Byrd when many fighters have got through worse, hell Danny Williams won with a dislocated shoulder.
Im not saying David Haye will win, but i think people are far too much on the Vitali Klitschko band-wagon. Just because he gave a good effort against an overweight Lennox Lewis, outside of that who has he really beaten ? and he's so injury prone that theres no way i would 100 percent pick Vitali Klitschko.
What a birthday present for me....I get to witness the destruction of David Haye!
Good points. I agree this is the toughest opponent he has faced barring Lennox.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I keep seeing people predicting a second round KO for Vitali. Now I think Haye has got one hell of a fight on his hands here but 2nd round? No way I see it going to around the 7-8th round. There is no way in hell either man is going to stand in front of the other and let his opponent unload. Both WILL rspect the others power and I see Haye taking the first few rounds on his speed. It just depends how much damage he can do in the early going because eventually he will get caught and then we will find out whether or not he can take a HW's punch. We know Vitali can.
I'am not sure Vitali will respect Haye's power i think he might recon he is just a blown up cruiserweight that wont hurt me!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuGood points. I agree this is the toughest opponent he has faced barring Lennox.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I keep seeing people predicting a second round KO for Vitali. Now I think Haye has got one hell of a fight on his hands here but 2nd round? No way I see it going to around the 7-8th round. There is no way in hell either man is going to stand in front of the other and let his opponent unload. Both WILL rspect the others power and I see Haye taking the first few rounds on his speed. It just depends how much damage he can do in the early going because eventually he will get caught and then we will find out whether or not he can take a HW's punch. We know Vitali can.
What? That is ridiculous! David Haye hasn't proven anything at heavyweight other than he likes to talk. He hasn't taken a punch from a heavyweight puncher and he hasn't KO'd a fighter who has never been down/hurt/KO'd before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I guess David Haye has A chance but it's not a very good one...Vitali has KO'd all but 1 of the fighters he has beaten, he's lost 2 times due to injury/doctor intervention (both times he was up on the cards), and other than that he hasn't had any trouble at all with any fighters. Vitali has the height, reach, power, and experience over Haye and don't think he won't use all of them.
P4P this is easily the best fighter Vitali Klitschko has fought, except for Lennox Lewis of course. We don't know how David Haye will take a punch off a Heavyweight true. But i think in the fights we have seen he has kept all his other attributes and he's a very dangerous opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWhat? That is ridiculous! David Haye hasn't proven anything at heavyweight other than he likes to talk. He hasn't taken a punch from a heavyweight puncher and he hasn't KO'd a fighter who has never been down/hurt/KO'd before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I guess David Haye has A chance but it's not a very good one...Vitali has KO'd all but 1 of the fighters he has beaten, he's lost 2 times due to injury/doctor intervention (both times he was up on the cards), and other than that he hasn't had any trouble at all with any fighters. Vitali has the height, reach, power, and experience over Haye and don't think he won't use all of them.
Lyle i know you like the Klitschko brothers which is fine i got nothing against that, but i do think Vitali Klitschko is overrated sorry i do. People overrate him because he gave a good effort against a bad version of Lennox Lewis.
Outside of that is his career that impressive ? quitting against a very undersized Heavyweight in Chris Byrd. Makes me question his heart because many fighters have gotten through worse. Yes you will say well he showed heart against Lennox Lewis, but fighters can show heart in some fights then completely do a U-Turn in other fights, depending on the situation.
And his victories over Corrie Sanders, Samuel Peter, Kirk Johnson, ETC. Just aren't that impressive, he has a high KO record because he's fought fighters like those. Corrie Sanders don't even take boxing seriously, Samuel Peter is a plodding joke, and Kirk Johnson was an overweight whale, who didn't even train for his fight with Vitali Klitschko.
Is Vitali Klitschko a good fighter ? yes he is but i think his brother shits all over him in every department, except for the chin department. I don't really think Vitali Klitschko is that good of a boxer, he relies alot on his leaning back style and his toughness.
Haye by KO, Vitali's breaking down, its gonna happen at some point even if it doesn't happen here.
I'd like to see Haye win and would give him a chance against Wlad because of
Wlads week chin, but unless Vitali has lost his punch resistance over night
I don't give Haye much of a chance, Hayes chin is poor and unless he can
catch Vitali early, Vitali will stop him early...
ICB, I have seen any number of really strong cruiserweights come to heavyweight and look less than average, I have a feeling that David Haye is one of those guys simply because he didn't want to really test himself before getting the title shots. Sure people can say "Well the Klitschko's gave him the shot" but in all honesty he talked his way into them and he's going to get flattened.
Vitali's chin is pretty solid, I've only seen him slightly hurt by Corrie Sanders and Lennox Lewis, both guys were really big punchers at heavyweight....David Haye isn't in their league. And the only times Vitali has lost have been because of a really bad cut and a torn rotator cuff.
To beat Vitali, given what we have seen of Haye's chin, David can't afford to get hit at all...do you think this is possible? All Vitali has to do is drop 1 power punch on him, get him in danger and then the fight is over, it's just as simple as that. It's not about Vitali being overrated it's about Haye being overmatched
It pains me to say it but I agree with Lyle on this one. Vitali is way more difficult to beat than Wlad, the man's fucking granite!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If Lennox Lewis couldn't knock him out then how the hell will David Haye? :o:confused:
This will be Vitali's third fight in nearly 4 years. Peter stood there and acted as a punching bag and lasted 8 rounds before he quit. Gomez lasted 9 rounds before he was "tko'd" but in reality it looked to me like he gave up. Gomez also gave Vitali a few good looks during the fight, but couldn't maintain it. I think in both these fights Vitali was breathing out of his mouth by the 4th round or so.
Vitali's right hand doesn't have the powerof Wlads and his jab isn't as good.
Don't think this is going to be a shut out by Vitali by any means. Both guys get cut. the one who gets cut first and worst will probably end up as the loser.
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Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
Agreed. ;)
very good post! i always thought haye should keep away from viatli but who knows maybe it should be the other way roundQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
because he was allowed to :rolleyes:. If he's flirting with Vitali and Wlad then I seriously doubt that he would have been afraid of all of the bums in the top 10. He didn't HAVE TO fight them else he probably would be... and who are the reasons he hasn't had to fight them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I keep telling you calling out other fighters isn't exactly anything new... if the Kilitschos accept than that's their done deal... it' also not rare for a champion to move up straight into a title fight.
That being said although I think that Vitali was less than impressive last time out I still suspect that he will be too strong... unless he has gotten seriously old over night I can't see Haye wearing him down and I can't see him flattening the guy either... not with out getting caught.
Wlad is definetly the more vunerable of the too, somebody who fights terrifed of smaller guys than Haye was his best shot. Vitali won't be afraid to mix it up and will probably be too strong.
It seems like when god made the two of them he took Wla's chin and added onto Vitalis instead.
I always thought Haye's chance for beating a Klitschko was by fighting Wlad. Now he chooses to fight the one with the chin. Let's see if this fight even makes it. Vitali might get hurt or Haye might fake one again.
Wlad's the better Klitschko now, I think people are living in the past with Vitali. At least somebody's trying to rid the world of the curse, its like that Edmund Burke quote about evil flourishing because of the Klitchko's.
Haye is the man and will knock out the fragile one. :mad:
Haye's best chance against any of the Klitschkos was always Vladimir's somewhat suspect chin. Replace that with Vitali's considerably stronger chin, and you have a steeper uphill climb for Haye. 'Cause inactivity aside, Vitali's as heavyweight as they come. Haye had better bring his running shoes... he's gonna need them.
Haye is going to get slaughteredQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I say Haye has some success in the first 3 rds but Vitaly once he gets into the bout will beat him brutally, Vitaly has a real personal dislike for Haye and Vitaly has a hell of a mean streak for guys he doesnt like.
Anyone remember Sanders and Williams?
Haha I smell a name change bet. What do you say groupie ? Haye massacres big Bitchsko.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleHaye is going to get slaughteredQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
no but i remember chris byrd & lennox lewis;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I remember him winning against Byrd until the injury....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragono but i remember chris byrd & lennox lewis;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Lets not be silly Haye has power but he is in no way the puncher Lennox was
would it of been impossible for vitali to of continued against Bryd?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI remember him winning against Byrd until the injury....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragono but i remember chris byrd & lennox lewis;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Lets not be silly Haye has power but he is in no way the puncher Lennox was
i agree Lewis hits harder than haye but haye should be more aggressive
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Originally Posted by Dragowould it of been impossible for vitali to of continued against Bryd?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI remember him winning against Byrd until the injury....Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Lets not be silly Haye has power but he is in no way the puncher Lennox was
i agree Lewis hits harder than haye but haye should be more aggressive
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
i know danny williams popped his shoulder out & still continued & knocked the other guy out! i really think vitali would of quit against lennox if hadnt been stopped as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragowould it of been impossible for vitali to of continued against Bryd?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
i agree Lewis hits harder than haye but haye should be more aggressive
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
Hell mate I could not hold it against him if he did in that one, another round or two if Lennox did not drop from exaustion Vitaly would have went blind for certainQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi know danny williams popped his shoulder out & still continued & knocked the other guy out! i really think vitali would of quit against lennox if hadnt been stopped as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
I agree to an extent with you, Byrd physically is barely even a cruiser weight so he could of probably continued to boss him using the other arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi know danny williams popped his shoulder out & still continued & knocked the other guy out! i really think vitali would of quit against lennox if hadnt been stopped as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
On the other hand a shoulder injury can have serious long term reprecusions so maybe he did the sensible thing when trying not to be a hero. Williams really couldn't afford the loss on his record as I recall.
I am just starting to fully understand the extent of how injury prone Vitali is looking back at this though... 0_o
Haye has a good couple of opening rounds, getting our hopes up, but Vitali starts to take control in the 4th & KO's him in the 7th.
Vitali gets injured before the fight even takes place and Haye goes a whole year without having a fight and then maybe we can actually get Chambers or Arreola and Haye to fight. Can we act like there are other heavyweights besides Vitali and Wladimer. Everyone is in a rush to fight them for the pay day but what about fighting each other. Those brothers are too much too soon for a lot of up and coming heavweights yet you have fighters with 15 fights calling them out its unbelievable. Why don't they all fight each other first.
Haye's stamina and boxing skills are pretty much shit and Vitali has a cast iron chin and punches to match IMO that'll be the big factor of this fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragowould it of been impossible for vitali to of continued against Bryd?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI remember him winning against Byrd until the injury....Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Lets not be silly Haye has power but he is in no way the puncher Lennox was
i agree Lewis hits harder than haye but haye should be more aggressive