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Pacquiao-Cotto update!
By Nick Giongco, FightNews.com, Sun, 19 Jul 2009
Reports from Team Pacquiao say that Canadian advisor Mike Koncz is on his way to the US to relay a message to Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum that Manny Pacquiao has agreed to face Miguel Cotto of Puerto Rico on Nov. 14 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. The fight will be at 145 lbs.
Funny thing is they might have as well taken the fight to 147 lb limit, Miguel made 146 the last time, 1 lb will not make any difference here:-\
Manny will be outweighed by atleast 10 pounds come fight night.
If PAC wins, hopefully there is no excuses.
there will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
It would have been smarter to take it at 147 so nobody could complain. Pac still beats him there IMO
Is that like a new modern interpretation of carrier pigeon, maybe they could have put a message in a bottle. ha..... Surely they would just pick up the phone these days..... I say they're fightin when they are actaully in the ring.... I'm not 100% that they actually want a Cotto fight, but i guess we'll see....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Damn! at fight night Pacquiao will only weigh 148-149 lbs. That's the highest weight Pacquiao can make. While Cotto can go up in weigh at fight night at 160 -170lbs. That's 10 to 20 lbs different.
Cotto have the advantage at weight
and
Pacquiao have the advantage on speed
:)
this fight will be huge i cant wait for it to happen;D
dunno who i will be rooting for maybe pacman cos of giving away so much weight;D
Cool; can't wait for this one. Should be a helluva' fight; but I'm going with Pac to win.
pac needs to pack on more weight & sort out the heavyweights after cotto thenQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by Dragopac needs to pack on more weight & sort out the heavyweights after cotto thenQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Lol. I'd still take Wlad in 12.
Pac could always fight Pavlik;D He's in a lonely division.
:cool:
I'd rather it be at 147 but this is fine. Never once bought into the 143 thing.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I was complaining; but fukk it if Cotto isn't bothered with it then who am I to complain? I just want to see it. This board will be fun in the buildup:blahbla:
Where's Bilbo to give his self-aggrandizing speech:confused:
He's busy declaring Khan can beat Marquez & Mayweather within a year ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I was complaining; but fukk it if Cotto isn't bothered with it then who am I to complain? I just want to see it. This board will be fun in the buildup:blahbla:
Where's Bilbo to give his self-aggrandizing speech:confused:
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's busy declaring Khan can beat Marquez & Mayweather within a year ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I was complaining; but fukk it if Cotto isn't bothered with it then who am I to complain? I just want to see it. This board will be fun in the buildup:blahbla:
Where's Bilbo to give his self-aggrandizing speech:confused:
Oh brother:rolleyes: Well I doubt he'll miss the opportunity to come in and stomp his furry feet in this thread.
What, hes sending his silk adorned emissaries now lol.Think Arum will kiss his ring when he receives him :cwm13:
I think Manny will cause many cuts.I just dont like Cottos bad habit of backing to the ropes.Enough math tutorials and calculating fractions.Just box.Going with Pacquiao.
Great news may the best man win, not rooting for anyone here.
lol he won't fight Mayweather but Marquez a year from now is realistic, maybe not exactly 12 months, but say by the end of 2010. I see no reason why Khan, as long as he continues to improve won't be too fast, young and even smart for Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's busy declaring Khan can beat Marquez & Mayweather within a year ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I was complaining; but fukk it if Cotto isn't bothered with it then who am I to complain? I just want to see it. This board will be fun in the buildup:blahbla:
Where's Bilbo to give his self-aggrandizing speech:confused:
People seem to assume Marquez would just open up and blow him away but Khan WON'T be fighting like that any more. Against Marquez, Roach would have it ingrained into him more than ever to just get in and out and keep away.
Marquez isn't hard to hit and he'll be in his late thirties and probably coming off a loss to Floyd so the tide will shift. Who would have thought 18 months ago that Khan could beat Marco Antonio Barrera?
Nobody stays at the top for ever and Khan will have a decent chance at upsetting him by the end of 2010 imo.
PS. I'm NOT saying Khan could beat Marquez right now, I'm talking end of next of year. All you who scoff who would thought a couple years ago that Carl Froch could ko Jermain Taylor?
He could have made sure of that fighting at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I stop reading when i saw too smart for JMM. Thats what i assumed you meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolol he won't fight Mayweather but Marquez a year from now is realistic, maybe not exactly 12 months, but say by the end of 2010. I see no reason why Khan, as long as he continues to improve won't be too fast, young and even smart for Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's busy declaring Khan can beat Marquez & Mayweather within a year ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
People seem to assume Marquez would just open up and blow him away but Khan WON'T be fighting like that any more. Against Marquez, Roach would have it ingrained into him more than ever to just get in and out and keep away.
Marquez isn't hard to hit and he'll be in his late thirties and probably coming off a loss to Floyd so the tide will shift. Who would have thought 18 months ago that Khan could beat Marco Antonio Barrera?
Nobody stays at the top for ever and Khan will have a decent chance at upsetting him by the end of 2010 imo.
PS. I'm NOT saying Khan could beat Marquez right now, I'm talking end of next of year. All you who scoff who would thought a couple years ago that Carl Froch could ko Jermain Taylor?
Sorry why would it make him severely weight drained?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthere will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
145 is a perfect weight imo, both fighters can make that easily enough and in forcing Cotto to be just a little tight Pacquaio isn't putting himself at too much of a size disadvantage.
As I see it 145 is the best possible weight limit. If Manny lost at 147 people would say he was too small. At 145 neither fighter is really having to compromise too much.
I hope the much coveted WBO strap is on the line too, if only to antagonise the purists who will see great insult in the fact that a former flyweight and p4p best fighter in the world, arguably the most exciting fighter in the world could win this prized belt by forcing Cotto to weight an entire pound less than he did against Joshua Clottey.
No doubt they would rather the WBO vacated the belt and awarded it to the winner Antonin Decaire and Rafal Jackiewicz :rolleyes:
He's being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSorry why would it make him severely weight drained?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthere will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
lmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSorry why would it make him severely weight drained?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
;D
Are you actually being serious about Amir Khan ? because lately i've been gobsmacked by some of your comments regarding Amir Khan :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
;D
A few years ago who the hell knew Carl Froch was?? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolol he won't fight Mayweather but Marquez a year from now is realistic, maybe not exactly 12 months, but say by the end of 2010. I see no reason why Khan, as long as he continues to improve won't be too fast, young and even smart for Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's busy declaring Khan can beat Marquez & Mayweather within a year ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
People seem to assume Marquez would just open up and blow him away but Khan WON'T be fighting like that any more. Against Marquez, Roach would have it ingrained into him more than ever to just get in and out and keep away.
Marquez isn't hard to hit and he'll be in his late thirties and probably coming off a loss to Floyd so the tide will shift. Who would have thought 18 months ago that Khan could beat Marco Antonio Barrera?
Nobody stays at the top for ever and Khan will have a decent chance at upsetting him by the end of 2010 imo.
PS. I'm NOT saying Khan could beat Marquez right now, I'm talking end of next of year. All you who scoff who would thought a couple years ago that Carl Froch could ko Jermain Taylor?
I think if Khan beats Marquez, it will be because JMM is finished & I say that as a Khan fan. Even coming off a Floyd loss, I reckon JMM goes back down to 135 & is comfortable for a while.
I was also joking in the original post, partly in the hope Missy & Miles would see it & start raising hell ;)
I think he's a very talented fighter. Do I think he's on the level of Marquez, Pacquaio, Mayweather right now? Absolutely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBAre you actually being serious about Amir Khan ? because lately i've been gobsmacked by some of your comments regarding Amir Khan :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
;D
Do I think that by the end of 2010 that Marquez will have slipped enough and Khan improved to make it a real 50/50 fight? Absolutely!
In all honesty if I would have said just prior to Ricky Hatton facing Floyd Mayweather that I believed that Amir could beat him, I would have been laughed off the forum.
What about if Khan and Hatton were to fight next? Now people arn't going to be nearly so confident, in fact Khan might even start as the slight betting favourite.
Calzaghe according to you is not a fraction of the fighter that Hopkins and Roy Jones are yet he beat both of them, Steve Collins beat both Eubank and Benn twice each yet few will rate Collins as highly as either.
The fact is timing plays a large part, Khan is on the way up, Marquez is on the way down, how long it takes before the pendulum shifts in the favour of Khan I'm not sure but I'd imagine a fight 18 months from now would certainly be interesting.
If Cotto looks fresh... which he should at 145, then how can there be any excuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthere will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I've been one of his biggest critics for the catchweights and I don't think 145 is that big a deal for cotto :rolleyes:
Fair play to Roach and arum... by flirting with 142 etc they've made 145 seem like a really good deal... probably the plan all along :D
it still does baffle me why they've asked for him to shave 1 pound off ??? either they think they're being clever or it's just Diva behaviour... Cotto feels comfortable at Welter... he has a pound to play around with on the scales... so there's no stress for him. Now he's lost that pound and will have to be more stringent.
All I can think of is that he's only going to be very very slightly more stressed about making the weight.... but that's it... Just seems like Pac has wanted to throw his weight around (pun unintended) and dictate things for the sake of dictating them. I'm sure his fans will call it mind games or some shit... :vd: Personally I think if thats why he's asked for it then the effect will be negligable anyway... he would have been better off going for 147 so nobody can make any excuses.
Credit to Pac for almost stepping up in weight properly though... (lol the 142 bluffs/shit even make me happy with a catchweight)
I'd love to see him fight Mosely at 145... if Mosely can do the weight fine then I don't think Pac would stand a chance... Mosely's too smart and his chin's too good... that fight will never happen for that reason though.
Nice to see you on board now Adam and are finally agreeing with me that a 145 catchweight was no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIf Cotto looks fresh... which he should at 145, then how can there be any excuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthere will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I've been one of his biggest critics for the catchweights and I don't think 145 is that big a deal for cotto :rolleyes:
Fair play to Roach and arum... by flirting with 142 etc they've made 145 seem like a really good deal... probably the plan all along :D
it still does baffle me why they've asked for him to shave 1 pound off ??? either they think they're being clever or it's just Diva behaviour... Cotto feels comfortable at Welter... he has a pound to play around with on the scales... so there's no stress for him.
All I can think of is that he's only going to be very very slightly more stressed about making the weight. Just seems like Pac has wanted to throw his weight around (pun unintended) and dictate things for the sake of dictating them. I'm sure his fans will call it mind games or some shit... :vd:
Credit to Pac for almost stepping up in weight properly though... (lol the 142 bluffs/shit even make me happy with a catchweight)
Rains was being sarcastic though, he was rolling his eyes at the likes of you who in the past made posts telling us that even a single pound was critical and that Cotto would be a shell of a fighter if he fought at anything less than welterweight ;)
Now you're even hoping for more catchweight fights with Mosely at 145, interesting turn around.
I'll reply to this later.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think he's a very talented fighter. Do I think he's on the level of Marquez, Pacquaio, Mayweather right now? Absolutely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBAre you actually being serious about Amir Khan ? because lately i've been gobsmacked by some of your comments regarding Amir Khan :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Do I think that by the end of 2010 that Marquez will have slipped enough and Khan improved to make it a real 50/50 fight? Absolutely!
In all honesty if I would have said just prior to Ricky Hatton facing Floyd Mayweather that I believed that Amir could beat him, I would have been laughed off the forum.
What about if Khan and Hatton were to fight next? Now people arn't going to be nearly so confident, in fact Khan might even start as the slight betting favourite.
Calzaghe according to you is not a fraction of the fighter that Hopkins and Roy Jones are yet he beat both of them, Steve Collins beat both Eubank and Benn twice each yet few will rate Collins as highly as either.
The fact is timing plays a large part, Khan is on the way up, Marquez is on the way down, how long it takes before the pendulum shifts in the favour of Khan I'm not sure but I'd imagine a fight 18 months from now would certainly be interesting.
the world awaits ;D
I understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
;D
Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.
It did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveawayQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethI understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbolmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
;D
Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveawayQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethI understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
I see it as a genuine toss up. I think this is easily Manny's biggest challenge to date.
Cotto is a DANGEROUS fighter, he's got a great shot at winning this, I don't understand how quickly people have written him off.
When has Pacquiao slowed down late? Even in Pacquiao-Marquez I, and Pacquiao-Morales I he finished up pretty strong considering the beating he took over the middle rounds. He also stayed strong against De La Hoya, David Diaz, Barrera, in the second Marquez fight where both of them were absolutely amazing coming down the stretch. IMO Manny starts strong, but he finishes stronger, and for Cotto it depends on the fight, if he is sustaining a lot of damage and/or pressure he usually fades, but he still stays mentally sharp, and he stayed strong against Judah.
Don't start with me... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNice to see you on board now Adam and are finally agreeing with me that a 145 catchweight was no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIf Cotto looks fresh... which he should at 145, then how can there be any excuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I've been one of his biggest critics for the catchweights and I don't think 145 is that big a deal for cotto :rolleyes:
Fair play to Roach and arum... by flirting with 142 etc they've made 145 seem like a really good deal... probably the plan all along :D
it still does baffle me why they've asked for him to shave 1 pound off ??? either they think they're being clever or it's just Diva behaviour... Cotto feels comfortable at Welter... he has a pound to play around with on the scales... so there's no stress for him.
All I can think of is that he's only going to be very very slightly more stressed about making the weight. Just seems like Pac has wanted to throw his weight around (pun unintended) and dictate things for the sake of dictating them. I'm sure his fans will call it mind games or some shit... :vd:
Credit to Pac for almost stepping up in weight properly though... (lol the 142 bluffs/shit even make me happy with a catchweight)
Rains was being sarcastic though, he was rolling his eyes at the likes of you who in the past made posts telling us that even a single pound was critical and that Cotto would be a shell of a fighter if he fought at anything less than welterweight ;)
Now you're even hoping for more catchweight fights with Mosely at 145, interesting turn around.
Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?
I was saying that even a pound COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.
my point was not too say that an individual fighter can't possibly lose a single pound... but that each one can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.
All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.
There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?
Possibly
(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent ???)
But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.
And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly :vd:) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... :rolleyes:) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.
Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that 145 would definitely be too much for cotto.
It would also be nice if you told me why you think Pac wants him at 145 and not 146.
I think it's pointless mind games/diva like behaviour but I'd like to hear your views.
just pointless speculation but maybe he threw out 143 with a certain purse split then said well I'll give you 145 but I want a little more money?
That may be wildly inaccurate but I always thought 143 was some kind of a ploy.
;D maybe it was a ploy to make people happier with 145, I don't know.
Lol! Poor Shane. All those begging for nothing. I think this news has something to do with now Roach turning his full attention on Pac after his well done job with Khan.
Its not as much about writting Cotto of as a fighter in general, put him in with Mosley, Berto, Collazo, Quintana, Khan, etc, etc. I would favor Cotto to win, but Pacquiao is the ony guy IMO that is all wrong for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveawayQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
I see it as a genuine toss up. I think this is easily Manny's biggest challenge to date.
Cotto is a DANGEROUS fighter, he's got a great shot at winning this, I don't understand how quickly people have written him off.
Cotto is wide up to the left cross or uppercut, IMO Pacquiao definitely has the power to hurt him, if not with one shot than with an acculation effect, and while Cotto has great timing and good handspeed, I don't think his timing is as good as Pacquiao's, and he doesn't have the footspeed to close the gap.