Nacho Beristain: Marquez doesn't have the speed!

Marquez doesn't have the speed, says Nacho�Beristain - Bad Left Hook
by SC on Aug 24, 2009 10:39 PM EDT

Juan Manuel Marquez's own trainer, Nacho Beristain, is expressing great concern over his fighter's lack of speed heading into the final stages of training for his September 19 fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

From PhilBoxing.com, as reported by Hesiquio Balderas:

"Juan Manuel is very strong, he looks like a natural welterweight, but it worries me a lot that we can't get to the speed level that we are looking for, and we can't compete with a fighter of the quality of Floyd Mayweather with that f***ing lack of speed. The sparring partners are not a problem, it is the work we did to increase the muscle. He is tense and as I said he is very strong and buffed, but he has no speed at this point and that is because the weight lifting he did was excessive. It's like a soccer player after working with weights, they are strong but they lack the speed and the rhythm to compete. That is the way Juan Manuel is right now I am desperate at this point. But there is still time to get him speed, the problem is that the weight lifting is giving us a hard time."

Beristain's worry is bad news to those hoping for the Marquez upset (which is a lot of people), but it could also simply be a ploy. It adds up that Marquez would lose speed, and speed against Mayweather was going to be a problem for him even without bulking up the way he did. But they might be trying to make Floyd Jr. think this is going to be easier than they (the Marquez camp) really believe it will be. Maybe they intend to catch Floyd rusty or even napping.

But if it's legit, yes, it's a real problem. There's not much time left (about three weeks to be exact) and without being able to find Mayweather, the fight plays out with Floyd battering Marquez and probably putting him away early, which is the way a lot of people are seeing the fight in the first place.

You reckon this is just a red herring ???

I reckon they're trying to lull Floyd into being underprepared, no way would he come out with this before the fight like this. Beristain is too experienced to do that, he didn't come out talking about ODLH's weight difficulties did he??

If its true, its very bad news. But, who knows if it it a tactic or not. Beristain is a pretty serious guy though, so this is concerning. Why would his stregnth coach bulk him up in that way is my question.

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I reckon they're trying to lull Floyd into being underprepared, no way would he come out with this before the fight like this. Beristain is too experienced to do that, he didn't come out talking about ODLH's weight difficulties did he??

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That's what i though.

Then i wondered how a comment like that could affect sales/ interest/ upset networks etc and so i figured would he make such a potentially irresponisble and damaging claim for the sake of a bit of comlaintencey?

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I reckon they're trying to lull Floyd into being underprepared, no way would he come out with this before the fight like this. Beristain is too experienced to do that, he didn't come out talking about ODLH's weight difficulties did he??

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Oscar did have weight issues.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Why would his stregnth coach bulk him up in that way is my question.

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Exactly. I was reminded of Shane Mosley's comments on using weights and how it affected his performances. I really hope this isn't true...?

I'm not convinced that they would go public with something like this and it be real, but, i'm sure Mayweathers camp are far from gonna fall for a blag like that....

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I reckon they're trying to lull Floyd into being underprepared, no way would he come out with this before the fight like this. Beristain is too experienced to do that, he didn't come out talking about ODLH's weight difficulties did he??

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Oscar did have weight issues.

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I know he did, that's what I was saying, he didn't mention it even though he knew there were problems. I just think he's got too much experience to come out mentioning that without a purpose.

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I reckon they're trying to lull Floyd into being underprepared, no way would he come out with this before the fight like this. Beristain is too experienced to do that, he didn't come out talking about ODLH's weight difficulties did he??

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Oscar did have weight issues.

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I know he did, that's what I was saying, he didn't mention it even though he knew there were problems. I just think he's got too much experience to come out mentioning that without a purpose.

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Yeah, I would hope so. But Nacho just doesnt come across as the type of guy to go out of his way to play mind games either. I do think that Marquez will be a lot slower because of the weight, no matter how he put it on. I dint think his frame will carry 147 that well. Im hoping he comes in around 143.

140.5 would be ideal :rolleyes:

Its gotta be a ruse to fuck with Floyd's head. Why on earth would someone as experienced as Nacho say that?

Since when was Beristain a smart guy? He has a history of making bad decisions for Marquez (out of the ring).

Wouldn't surprise me if he was telling the truth ;D

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Since when was Beristain a smart guy? He has a history of making bad decisions for Marquez (out of the ring).

Wouldn't surprise me if he was telling the truth ;D

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Oddly enough, I agree.

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Since when was Beristain a smart guy? He has a history of making bad decisions for Marquez (out of the ring).

Wouldn't surprise me if he was telling the truth ;D

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Oddly enough, I agree.

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Whats it feel like to be right for once? ;D

What a ridiculous thing to come out and say whether it's true or whether he's playing mind games. What an idiot.

This can't be anything more than gamesmanship.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

What a ridiculous thing to come out and say whether it's true or whether he's playing mind games. What an idiot.

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Even if he's telling porkies it's pointless. What will they possibly gain? Unless the true meaning is announcing Marquez looks a "strong natural welter"... maybe he thinks that will make Floyd shit it?

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Since when was Beristain a smart guy? He has a history of making bad decisions for Marquez (out of the ring).

Wouldn't surprise me if he was telling the truth ;D

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Oddly enough, I agree.

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Whats it feel like to be right for once? ;D

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Seeing as you've yet to find out I'll explain it to you later.




btw, you have become infected with the pacland smilie ;D

Sort it out.

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Oddly enough, I agree.

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Whats it feel like to be right for once? ;D

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Seeing as you've yet to find out I'll explain it to you later.




btw, you have become infected with the pacland smilie ;D

Sort it out.

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Since when was that the pacland smiley?

Try this one - :beat:

Better?

I don't believe this article for second.

Odd thing to say. Sucks either way for me because I won't be able to this fight!!!

I thnk there are 2 possibilities to Beristain's crazy comments either
A) They're trying to give Floyd yet another distraction to deal with (Police searching his home, Roger's case, Floyd Sr possibly coming in as trainer)
B) They're admitting defeat and thereby decreasing the value of a Floyd victory and setting up Juan's move back to a lower weight class
C) Most likely someone made this up
Look at these pics of Marquez he looks huge :: Golden Boy Promotions Inc. ::

Slip of the tongue? Complete fabrication? I don't see the purpose otherwise - Floyd will train just as hard either way.

Maybe he's just trying to psyche up JMM...what's a pro like Juan going to do when he hears his trainer slag him off like that? He's going to step his game up!

For whatever reason Nacho said that he said it in hopes of getting something done.

I think Floyd gets beaten by JMM...he had a tough go with Jose Luis Castillo years ago and since then he hasn't fought any Mexican fighters who have their own little set of boxing tendencies. Also I doubt Floyd has ever had to lose weight like he's going to have to for this fight...it's 6-7 pounds more but that can be a big difference especially as age catches up with you.

Ha ha this is staged worse than the stupid floyd wrestling crap he does. I actually feel a bit for marquez, i think he is an awesome fighter in a fight that really isn't all that fair....look nacho you're trying mind tricks on a guy who is one big mind trip. I think marquez is being asked to do to much, nacho isn't telling us nothing we dont' already know. Your guy is smaller, slower, go down the list, i doubt there is more than maybe one area where marquez beats him on paper. We're being all hyped up and fightnight we'll all come back down as usual. Floyd is not fighting someone especially after a layoff that he isn't 120% positive he can beat. Floyd's real job is trying to get that cash out of our wallets convincing us marquez can win. A guy who can't beat chris john isn't beating mayweather. Would be nice though. But so would the lottery, i think the chances of either are about the same

I believe this is a ploy. Wanting Mayweather to believe what usually comes with bulking up improperly. No trainer with half a brain would give a disadvantage out like that if it were true. Marquez is probably shockingly bulked up with his speed intact. No mater how hard a fighter is known to train when you know your opponent, even a little, you naturally have expectations in the ring. They are attempting to skewer those expectations.

Bulking up or not.Mayweather would have always been the faster of the two when compared.I'm not sure what his motives are for putting it out there,could be tounge in cheek but I think Marquez at his age and wear and tear will be slowed and he is not a Welterweight, his speed of counter,side to side movement has already been backseated for a more aggresive though still very accurate pattern over last few fights.He looks all buffed up and I think once they are facing off ring center people will do a double take at the size difference.But...

the fights happening and while I think Mayweather has every advantage on paper he lacks Marquezs confidence,passion and fighters mentality.Screw it,I think Mayweather has doubts and pick Marquez to exploit them for a win :-X.

This has to be just mind games. Nobody in there right mind would say that if it were true, theres no advantage to it?

no surprise here. this is true, floyd much faster than marquez.

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Maybe he's just trying to psyche up JMM...what's a pro like Juan going to do when he hears his trainer slag him off like that? He's going to step his game up!

For whatever reason Nacho said that he said it in hopes of getting something done.

I think Floyd gets beaten by JMM...he had a tough go with Jose Luis Castillo years ago and since then he hasn't fought any Mexican fighters who have their own little set of boxing tendencies. Also I doubt Floyd has ever had to lose weight like he's going to have to for this fight...it's 6-7 pounds more but that can be a big difference especially as age catches up with you.

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Floyd is a smarter and better boxer than he was when that fight happened and he also had a messed up shoulder in that fight and won the rematch clearly.

I doubt losing weight will make a difference hes always in shape and is 32 while JMM is 36 and moving up to a weight class hes never fought in.

It's possible that he has slowed down due to his weight lifting and increase in weight. However, if mayweather engages him, he will have to rely on his counterpunching style and power. Speed will be of little factor if Mayweather goes all out. If JMM can TKO casa, he also has the chance to seriously hurt Mayweather.

Knowing Mayweather however, Marquez will really have a problem if he doesn't have the speed to catch the pretty boy.

And we will have a "boring" fight again.:eek::eek::eek: Hope Mayweather gives us a good fight by fighting all the way. PBF should brawl Marquez if he wants to impress the ordinary and casual boxing fans.

Personally, I don't want any technical lessons in this fight. :cool:

Marquez is an incredibly intelligent fighter...and Nacho, despite his tendency to make idiotic decisions on the business side, is a very intelligent trainer. They both know that power alone will not be enough to beat Mayweather. Nacho also got a first hand look at what incorrect preparation costs a fighter: Oscar's bizarre weight issue in the Pac fight. So i am not buying this whole "Marquez doesn't have speed" story. That being said...i still can't see Marquez winning. I think this has the POTENTIAL to be a very good fight...Marquez is as skilled a fighter as there is and Floyd has been inactive. But Floyd has as much, if not more, skill than Marquez...and is Floyd is just too fast and slick. Marquez, despite his recent tendency to be more offensive, is a natural counter puncher. Sure, he had great success against a very fast fighter in Pac. But Pac suited his style very well. Pac loves to jump forward...which lends itself very well for an accurate counter puncher like Marquez. But Floyd is also a counter puncher...maybe the best in the sport. He isn't going to jump in and exchange. He will dance and be slick all night. I see Floyd winning on points.

Why the hell JMM needs weight lifting??? Pac already made an example on how to be successful at higher weights. Pac does it by just train your ass. No weight lifting, Just train hard & eat good stuff.

:confused: Weird...

One thing: weightlifting doesn't make you slow if you do it properly. The question is: is JMM doing it properly?

Maybe lifting rocks has turned out to be a bad choice :lickish:

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Oscar did have weight issues.

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I know he did, that's what I was saying, he didn't mention it even though he knew there were problems. I just think he's got too much experience to come out mentioning that without a purpose.

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Yeah, I would hope so. But Nacho just doesnt come across as the type of guy to go out of his way to play mind games either. I do think that Marquez will be a lot slower because of the weight, no matter how he put it on. I dint think his frame will carry 147 that well. Im hoping he comes in around 143.

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He's come in more than that in a lightweight fight, I think he will weigh more than that for Mayweather. Honestly it doesn't make sense for weight lifting unless done to the extreme to really slow down handspeed, it builds those quick switch fibers. People's workrate usually drops, and they are more hesistant to let their hands go, but we've seen Manny, Roy Jones, Hopkins, Duran, leonard, Hearns, Mayweather retain great handspeed while going way up in weight.

The poster boy of weightlifting lowering handspeed is Mosley, but I felt his handspeed didn't deminish as much as he started loading up on punches, and stoped throwing combinations of his own accord. IMO it was his mind set not the muscle that slowed him down.

Also whats with the Oscar weight issue thing? IN terms of making weight it looked like it would be really easy for him. If anything the problems came from him being too low in weight for too long. He lost too much muscle trying to stay around 150 which allegedly he had been doing long before the fight took place.

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:confused: Weird...

One thing: weightlifting doesn't make you slow if you do it properly. The question is: is JMM doing it properly?

Maybe lifting rocks has turned out to be a bad choice :lickish:

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Finally, someone speaking sense. Explosive weight training, if done right, would not decrease the speed of a fighter. In fact, it could make him faster. That old myth that resistance training stiffens the body and loses flexibility is so out-dated it's unbelievable. Bigger muscles are as flexible as smaller ones and if he combines heavy lifting (incorporating fast twitch muscle fibres), with plyometrics, he could actually improve his hand and foot speed as well as his conditioning.

If you want to talk about speed, look at olympic sprinters - built for speed (okay, not hand speed).

http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...eet_28582s.jpg

Not exactly a stranger to the weights room, is he?

So, either Beristain is so old school he doesn't have a clue, or it's all mind games.

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Why the hell JMM needs weight lifting??? Pac already made an example on how to be successful at higher weights. Pac does it by just train your ass. No weight lifting, Just train hard & eat good stuff.

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What an idiotic comment from an obvious nuthugger. Pac and JMM have no resemblance in body type. Pac has the frame to carry more weight from his larger/ more muscular lower body.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

What a ridiculous thing to come out and say whether it's true or whether he's playing mind games. What an idiot.

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No more of an idiot then when Roach opens his mouth!

Common guys. Try keep Paquiao off this thread long enough to avoid a debate about him. Or his trainer ;)

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Why the hell JMM needs weight lifting??? Pac already made an example on how to be successful at higher weights. Pac does it by just train your ass. No weight lifting, Just train hard & eat good stuff.

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Pacdbest,

I hope you refrain from constantly mentioning Pac in threads where he is not supposed to be mentioned. You're making all the people here hate pacfans. Please stop with the senseless nuthugging.

You may not know it, there are many pac nuthuggers here and you don't need to tell us how great pac is. We already know that.:cool: