Dislocated shoulders--Can I still join?

Alright well being in boxing/ufc or something with fighting has always been my dream for a long time. BUT just in the past year,year and a half both my shoulders have dislocated up to 5 times on each.

I had surgery on my right shoulder, did therapy for about a month 3 times a week and my doctor that did the surgery said I could stop and just lift at home and work it. Well I really didn't work it at home just until recently when my shoulder popped when I was bare knuckle boxing my friend.

Anyways to my question:

Is there anyway I can still join boxing and train to strengthen my shoulder muscles?

Additional Information:

I had surgery on my right shoulder about 4-6 months ago,, cant remember.
Left shoulder has dislocated about 4-5 times now.

You're best going to a physiotherapist, but boxing will not 'help' strengthen your shoulder joints. As an example, I sprained the acromioclavicular joint in my shoulder about a month ago & I still have to wait at least another 2 weeks before I can do any light training (e.g. skipping, ground-work, speed-bag etc). It will probably at least another 3-4 weeks after that before I'm allowed to hit the bags again & even then I'll have to monitor myself. Definitely see a physiotherapist first about the issue

Thats not what the question meant.

I meant it as Can I still join boxing?

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Do you guys think there is anyway to still strengthen my shoulder muscles for boxing.

Also whats a physiotherapist.

With your track record its not a good idea. Obviously your shoulders cant take impact.

That sucks :(

I've always wanted to be a boxer... for like so long now. And now its fucked up because my shoulder.. so gay.

I've had that surgery, ligaments get tightened up and attached to bone via a staple or two is how it happened for me.

My doctor told me it was quite a common surgery for athletes, and I was led to believe they'd be more or less as good as new, and since the surgeery I've had no problems.

So don't be too quick to write off your boxing career.

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Originally Posted by Jereme S

Thats not what the question meant.

I meant it as Can I still join boxing?

and

Do you guys think there is anyway to still strengthen my shoulder muscles for boxing.

Also whats a physiotherapist.

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A bit confused here, you had surgery but can't remember when and you don't know what Physio is. Where did you get the surgery, you should be speaking to your doctor if you were not recommended for a course of recovery physio.

Even given that you have had the surgery and it may make things better I don't know how long your shoulders will hold out once you start some serious training.

CGM, were you pretty active at the point you had your surgery, seems like there could be an inherant weakness for Jereme, was yours down to wear and tear?

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Originally Posted by Jereme S

Thats not what the question meant.

I meant it as Can I still join boxing?

and

Do you guys think there is anyway to still strengthen my shoulder muscles for boxing.

Also whats a physiotherapist.

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A bit confused here, you had surgery but can't remember when and you don't know what Physio is. Where did you get the surgery, you should be speaking to your doctor if you were not recommended for a course of recovery physio.

Even given that you have had the surgery and it may make things better I don't know how long your shoulders will hold out once you start some serious training.

CGM, were you pretty active at the point you had your surgery, seems like there could be an inherant weakness for Jereme, was yours down to wear and tear?

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I was thinking the same thing they do go hand in hand.



Lets study the word a bit for any clues...physiotherapist

physio the rapist :o.


My God, looks like it could be a case of traumatic amnesia.

No, it's not that I was particularly active, I just had bad luck, accidental injuries that knock my shoulder right out of joint, And by this I don't mean a Hopkins injury, it popped out and stayed out till it got pulled back in. After a few times my Doctor told my the ligaments had become very loose, and that I should get them tightened up. Point being that once this was done I had a pretty good shoulder.

I didn't gather from Jerome's thread whether it was a congenital defect thing, or whether he just had bad luck. Once yu have the injury a couple times, you become vulnerable to additional injuries until you have it fixed. Once it gets fixed, then it can be a whole new ballgame.

I don't know all Jerome's circumstances. Such as how it happened. But I don't think that the mere fact that he has had a number shoulder dislocations is evidence in and of itself that his boxing career is over.

Maybe it is, but not from what I can determine here. The only advice I was giving was don't rush to judgement, consider all the angles. Get advice from a sports injury specialist. And then decide whtehr to hang them up.

There is a study of an alternate healing practice that works very well for all things.
It has to do with what we feel deeply on a subconscious level and how that can eventually erupt out into a material problem within the body.

This can occur because the body obeys the mind set and the mind obeys your deeper feelings whether they are on a fully conscious level or if not, from the sub conscious level below that.

Joints therefore represent the ease in which we can change direction in our lives.

Shoulders represent whether we chose to carry a burden and see life as being just that.


So to correct the sub conscious feelings; You have to re affirm mentally so that your (conscious thought patterns) learn how to overrule the sub pattern of deeper feeling.

The correct thing for that injury to say over and over to yourself Is :

"I allow all of my life experience to be joyous and loving ,I am always going in the best direction for me, I easily flow with any changes".

If you write that down and read it out to yourself alot you will be surprised how you can clear the problem right from the source,then all the other ways of phsio, medicine, eastern or western; will be backed up fully by you.

And Andre sparks up another Doobie;D

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There is a study of an alternate healing practice that works very well for all things.
It has to do with what we feel deeply on a subconscious level and how that can eventually erupt out into a material problem within the body.

This can occur because the body obeys the mind set and the mind obeys your deeper feelings whether they are on a fully conscious level or if not, from the sub conscious level below that.

Joints therefore represent the ease in which we can change direction in our lives.

Shoulders represent whether we chose to carry a burden and see life as being just that.


So to correct the sub conscious feelings; You have to re affirm mentally so that your (conscious thought patterns) learn how to overrule the sub pattern of deeper feeling.

The correct thing for that injury to say over and over to yourself Is :

"I allow all of my life experience to be joyous and loving ,I am always going in the best direction for me, I easily flow with any changes".

If you write that down and read it out to yourself alot you will be surprised how you can clear the problem right from the source,then all the other ways of phsio, medicine, eastern or western; will be backed up fully by you.

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I suppose. But for me, falling over sideways had a lot to do with it.

;DNot at all, dont smoke. I do see your point though, I used to have the same one.

Thousands of people have cured themselves the world over; even from cancers and all sorts of stuff, all from going back into the real cause.

If we were all the same and the same thing cured or made us all Ill, i could understand western medicine and peoples protection of it over some others.

But we are very intricate individual layered pieces of work and some subtle effects can grow into a belief and then they can have material effects into other parts of our being.

You can start to reverse allot of things from within yourself if you want to.

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Originally Posted by Andre

There is a study of an alternate healing practice that works very well for all things.
It has to do with what we feel deeply on a subconscious level and how that can eventually erupt out into a material problem within the body.

This can occur because the body obeys the mind set and the mind obeys your deeper feelings whether they are on a fully conscious level or if not, from the sub conscious level below that.

Joints therefore represent the ease in which we can change direction in our lives.

Shoulders represent whether we chose to carry a burden and see life as being just that.


So to correct the sub conscious feelings; You have to re affirm mentally so that your (conscious thought patterns) learn how to overrule the sub pattern of deeper feeling.

The correct thing for that injury to say over and over to yourself Is :

"I allow all of my life experience to be joyous and loving ,I am always going in the best direction for me, I easily flow with any changes".

If you write that down and read it out to yourself alot you will be surprised how you can clear the problem right from the source,then all the other ways of phsio, medicine, eastern or western; will be backed up fully by you.

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I suppose. But for me, falling over sideways had a lot to do with it.

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Sure thing, so could being drawn and quartered or put to the rack like back in the old days. Thats from the other end of the scale.

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Originally Posted by CGM

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Originally Posted by Andre

There is a study of an alternate healing practice that works very well for all things.
It has to do with what we feel deeply on a subconscious level and how that can eventually erupt out into a material problem within the body.

This can occur because the body obeys the mind set and the mind obeys your deeper feelings whether they are on a fully conscious level or if not, from the sub conscious level below that.

Joints therefore represent the ease in which we can change direction in our lives.

Shoulders represent whether we chose to carry a burden and see life as being just that.

I just thought after such an insightful spiel from yourself, falling over sideways had a certain comic appeal. But I'm a big believer in the power of the mind and it's effect on the body. "The power of positive thinking" is more than just a cliche.
So to correct the sub conscious feelings; You have to re affirm mentally so that your (conscious thought patterns) learn how to overrule the sub pattern of deeper feeling.

The correct thing for that injury to say over and over to yourself Is :

"I allow all of my life experience to be joyous and loving ,I am always going in the best direction for me, I easily flow with any changes".

If you write that down and read it out to yourself alot you will be surprised how you can clear the problem right from the source,then all the other ways of phsio, medicine, eastern or western; will be backed up fully by you.

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I suppose. But for me, falling over sideways had a lot to do with it.

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Sure thing, so could being drawn and quartered or put to the rack like back in the old days. Thats from the other end of the scale.

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I just thought falling over sideways (true) sounded funny after such an insightful spiel. But yeah, the relationship between body and mine should not be underestimated,

once a ligament has been over stretched the elasticity will never come back. Hence the reason why a reco in nessasary to shorten the ligaments to try stop the joint from popping out again.

I have had two recos on my right ankle and the second time they removed the ligament and replaced it with a tendon, as the ligament was usless at stabilizing my ankle. Now my ankle is 95% back to normal.

You really do need physio to rebuild the muscle around the join, without doing it your not giving yourself the best chance of total recovery.

There is no reson why you couldnt box but some advice from a sports physio/doc would be advised first

MAIN POINT: Do see a physio

Yes, good call.

He is on a windup,Hasnt even started yet ;D

I started therapy in June and My doctor said I could just drop out of it in July and work my shoulders at home. BUT I didn't work my shoulders just until recently.

I remember it well, It was quite a few years ago, but after the surgery I had my arm strapped to my side for six weeks. After that, the shoulder was so weak, I could barely lift my arm to pick my nose. Physio was not easy, It took a lot of work to get the proper range of movement back.

Yea I remember being not be able to lift my arm to itch an itch I had. I remember though when I had my sling my dad was arguing with my mom and I didn't have my sling on when it happened and I lifted my arm and punched himm and my arm popped so loud, but it didn't dislocate. Which looks like the surgery did its job.

And the therapy is a pain, I had to use the rubber bands to get my flexibility back. And when you come from a low to middle class familly it gets hard to pay the therapy bill, I went ab out 20 times and the bill with inairance. Included was over 200 bucks. So I decided to train at home like my doctor told me too.

How can I train my shoulders I mean strngthen themm with dumbbells and a bar?

Well, I'm not really an athlete, but as I recall, there was no special, out of the ordinary exercises. Just make sure you have a balanced routine, so that there are no muscles that get neglected. It's not just strength, it is range of movement that you need to work on. Anyways, that's something you want qualified advice on IMO.

I never did get 100% range back, but I came close enough that it wasn't a problem. One thing I can't do is lie flat on my back with my hands folded behind my head, and touch the floor with the elbow of the arm that was fixed. I come really close, but not quite as far as the other arm. Perhaps if I really worked it I might have, but I'm a lazy S.O.B.

good luck.

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Well, I'm not really an athlete, but as I recall, there was no special, out of the ordinary exercises. Just make sure you have a balanced routine, so that there are no muscles that get neglected. It's not just strength, it is range of movement that you need to work on. Anyways, that's something you want qualified advice on IMO.

I never did get 100% range back, but I came close enough that it wasn't a problem. One thing I can't do is lie flat on my back with my hands folded behind my head, and touch the floor with the elbow of the arm that was fixed. I come really close, but not quite as far as the other arm. Perhaps if I really worked it I might have, but I'm a lazy S.O.B.

good luck.

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I got the same problem. I can't do that either and I'm scared to lay like that incase one of your friends push your arms down. Holy shit would that ever hurt.

But strengthening the muscles around the joints. I really don't know what work outs I would have to do, to work them muscles.

Any clues?

Bro Jereme I feel your fustration.. Wow its amazing i thought i would never come across anyone with the same issues about my shoulders. I love boxing, ever since I was about 10 I was always boxing never amateur/pro but I always had that spark of interest but could never take the full approach due to my shoulders. as of now It has also kept me from training. It is very hard knowing that i cant do something that i love, i dont do any other sports and the one I love i cant participate. Anyway I know exactly how you feeling about the repeated dislocations. I had surgery on my right should in 07 and I did therapy for maybe two months then went on a vacation and fell off track and just like how you did tried to get back and strengthen the shoulder. About a year later I thought my shoulder was well healed and ready for boxing but then with a couple of exchanges pop came right out. I was devastated. I couldnt believe worked so hard, time, patience and it was all for nothing. I have loose ligaments in both shoulders which makes it extremely hard to continue boxing even though i still do go to the boxing gym and workout My left shoulder had also been stretched never dislocated like my right and after a while the shoulder just gives out I cant even move it it just fatigues I think i will need surgery on my left too. My advice is that you see that therapist and do ALL you can to prevent that shoulder from coming out, its your best bet buddy. Focus strictly on ROTATOR CUFF EXERCISES. surrounding shoulder muscle conditioning and balance along with core exercises and back exercises, everything you can to get the ligaments strong as ever. Hopefully in the future this will not stop us because i know one day soon enough I am going to be able to take this boxing to another level. Keep at it let me know how it comes along. peace.

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Well, I'm not really an athlete, but as I recall, there was no special, out of the ordinary exercises. Just make sure you have a balanced routine, so that there are no muscles that get neglected. It's not just strength, it is range of movement that you need to work on. Anyways, that's something you want qualified advice on IMO.

I never did get 100% range back, but I came close enough that it wasn't a problem. One thing I can't do is lie flat on my back with my hands folded behind my head, and touch the floor with the elbow of the arm that was fixed. I come really close, but not quite as far as the other arm. Perhaps if I really worked it I might have, but I'm a lazy S.O.B.

good luck.

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I got the same problem. I can't do that either and I'm scared to lay like that incase one of your friends push your arms down. Holy shit would that ever hurt.

But strengthening the muscles around the joints. I really don't know what work outs I would have to do, to work them muscles.

Any clues?

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Sorry, I didn't notice your reply. Anyways, with regards to touching the floor with your elbows, IMO when you are rehabbing, there are some exercises you can't really do by yourself, that's where a good physio comes in. Or at least a helper who has some idea of what to do. Have a friend go to a physio session with you to get some idea how to help.

As for hints on specific exercises, nah I can't really say. But it shouldn't be too hard to find out.

Alright so I went to the YMCA yesterday to workout and since I had surgery on my right shoulder I figured it would help build muscle around my arm. I worked all my upper body muscles and arm muscles.

When I got done with working out, My surgery arm hurt really really fucking bad.

I also noticed that my arm afterwards about a couple hours, the bones in my right shoulder were rubbing against other bones. Or thats what it sounds like. My girlfriend even heard it rubbing together when I move it a certain way.

When I move my surgery shoulder (right) backwards to an upside L posistion it feels like its going to pop. My surgery shoulder is in so much pain when I move it.

What do you guys think I should do?

And what do you think the rubbing sound is in my arm?

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I tried contacting my surgery doctor today, orthopedics doctor, but the offices closed 6 minutes before I called.

Yeah i had that click/rubbing popping sensation also still have it, it probably means that its still loose/unstable. Get to the orthopedic and see what he can do for you.