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Lets be honest about last night!!!!
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
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I would be the first to admit Pacquiao has done more impressive things over the last few years, and he is a much more likeable guy. The problem is he just isn't as GOOD as Mayweather is. People obviously don't want to put him right in the number 1 spot, but I doubt many really feel he isn't the best fighter in boxing. At that point you have to ask what the point of even having a p4p list is. Barring possibly Paul Williams at 154(which realistically won't happen), Floyd is not going to lose to anyone anytime soon.
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I don't see why Floyd can't be rated P4P no.1? Yes there are bigger and better challenges for him than Marquez, but he only lost the P4P no.1 spot because he retired. The fact he came back looking as great as ever, to completely dominate (even with the obvious size advantage) a fighter the current P4P no.1 has struggled with big time over 24 rounds (lost twice too IMO), must vouch well for his position back in the P4P rankings.
Personally I'd pick Floyd to beat Pac 9 times out of 10 (Pac might land something crazy one time). And would pick him to beat every other fighter on the planet in a P4P scenario. So he's no.1 for me.
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DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
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Violent Demise
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
This. Marquez ain't nowhere near done, he just happened to be fighting an ATG. Years from now people will look back & realize just how great Marquez is. I'm not play like the weight doesn't matter at all, but Marquez is not an easy fight for anyone, but Mayweather made him look so.
The only guys around that area who I would say are definitely tougher fights than Marquez are Mosley, Williams & Cotto. Have to wait & see on Pacquiao. I thought Spinks edged Latimore, but guys who're having close fights with DeAndre Latimore just don't beat Floyd Mayweather. Marquez IS the best. Mayweather just happens to be better.
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JazMerkin
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Violent Demise
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
This. Marquez ain't nowhere near done, he just happened to be fighting an ATG. Years from now people will look back & realize just how great Marquez is. I'm not play like the weight doesn't matter at all, but Marquez is not an easy fight for anyone, but Mayweather made him look so.
The only guys around that area who I would say are definitely tougher fights than Marquez are Mosley, Williams & Cotto. Have to wait & see on Pacquiao. I thought Spinks edged Latimore,
but guys who're having close fights with DeAndre Latimore just don't beat Floyd Mayweather. Marquez IS the best. Mayweather just happens to be better.
I agree. Lattimore ain't a bum. But he's several levels below Mayweather.
BTW, I'm beating your ass in our match up
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That's why I don't rate him much, before he moved up to 140 Floyd was making noise and getting attention for the right reasons, he was fighting some good fighters and looked impressive in some fights.
All he does now is fight old/smaller fighters. He probably thinks (or expects us to believe) beating Baldomir and Judah was a division clearout and his work is done at Welterweight. He retired when the top Welters started fighting one another and comes back after to fight a bloody lightweight!
He should have already fought Margarito, Cotto, Mosley he is a frickin Welter for crying out loud.
There is fuck all wrong with guys making fights for big paydays once there career starts to come to a close, they all do it but Floyd has been making these fights in his prime againsed faded fighters. Does anyone else not see this shit?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....
Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?
Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right :-\
Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...
Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...
In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather
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Honest opinion.
I thought he was good last night, nothing above what I expected.
I still think he's number one. I think he'd beat PacMan. But I'd like to see him in a fight against a taller, naturally heavier man not in his mid 30s.
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DaxxKahn
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....
Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?
Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right :-\
Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...
Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...
In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather
Alfonso Gomez fought as high as Middleweight. Maybe Mayweather should fight him.
You say past accomplishments shouldn't factor in things. But ain't that why you thinking Spinks would be a threat? Past accomplishments? Cuz it can't be based on anything he's done recently
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I guess PBF did what he was suppose to do but critics are discrediting him because of how well he did it??? If JMM would've made this a dogfight and PBF eked out a KO victory then he would've got more credit for digging deep and pulling out a KO against the possible #1 p4p guy. Lets really be honest...PBF needed a test drive fight after his layoff and JMM was more than worthy of that.
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I dont understand why everyone wants a Mayweather Paquiao fight. Again a lighter weight guy coming up to floyds weight. I just dont see this as fair. Until the weigh in is done the day before and 15 mins before a fight, the heavier guy always has an advantage.
They should fight at 139lbs weighed 15mins before the fight. Then see who wins.
Anyways, I dont hand the fight to Floyd if Manny comes up. Manny is very fast and has more power than Floyd.
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I dont understand why everyone wants a Mayweather Paquiao fight. Again a lighter weight guy coming up to floyds weight. I just dont see this as fair. Until the weigh in is done the day before and 15 mins before a fight, the heavier guy always has an advantage.
They should fight at 139lbs weighed 15mins before the fight. Then see who wins.
Anyways, I dont hand the fight to Floyd if Manny comes up. Manny is very fast and has more power than Floyd.
Good points.
Most mainly think Pac because of the skills and also the unexpected way he dealt with Oscar and the fact he came in the larger man and was unaffected by it.
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
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Violent Demise
Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.
But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....
Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?
Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right :-\
Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...
Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...
In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather
Alfonso Gomez fought as high as Middleweight. Maybe Mayweather should fight him.
You say past accomplishments shouldn't factor in things. But ain't that why you thinking Spinks would be a threat? Past accomplishments? Cuz it can't be based on anything he's done recently
Well in all honesty Spinks was just a name I threw out there because he is as I said before again a LEGIT fighter who has spent his best years as a WW and JMW........Why is it Floyd has always either avoided the best in his division or the most dangerous since his years at 135?
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I think we saw exactly what the majority thought we would,with the exceptions of a few predicting a Mayweather KO and a few...cough.....picking Marquez to shock the world and pull off a victory for the ages.Hi.
Floyd took Marquez for purely his name relevance and how it will translate into a showdown with Pacquiao.The reclaiming the hollow title of p4p #1 a priority as well.That is deep for Mayweather.It was said prior to the fight...Marquez is NOT a welter.He has been in some hellish battles and the wear and tear was obvious...and his style had changed in a big way.More frontal,less defense and gunning for the TKO.I do not think he is a shot fighter,nor done and headed for retirement.Mayweather maximized all of his advantages,being fresh and well rested,being a shot caller in regards to promotion and allowed to bend the rules,speed,reflex,defense,and being a fooking Jr middle once the bell rang going up vs a bulky over stuffed lightweight.And people simply cannot deny that.Eat it up.He's getting away with what he can as the fans shell out money to lap it up.History will reflect such and I dont think it will be kind.He retired and the division got hot while Manny passed him by.He wants his status back.Marquez is a weary warrior and fought his set off against all odds and has nothing to be ashamed of.
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Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
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If I could go back in time and watch an oldie mega fight LIVE.... I'd go pick and watch David against Goliath. No way tho', I wouldn't watch if David's without his slingshot!
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Though I really wanted Marquez to win, even did vote for him to pull him out, when I realize that the reach difference was 13 inches and that Mayweather was more or less 20 extra pounds on the scale, I knew it was over already.
I hate him but Money has skills and it will take somebody genuinely at least his own size to beat him, it'll happen someday but even a great warrior with incredible skills like Marquez with this size difference had no chance to make it happens.
Something that does surprise me though is that Mayweather's fine wasn't high at all for exceeding by 2 pounds the weight limit, at least, if it is true that he'll receive 10 millions for this fight, of course.
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DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
Bang on
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awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.
And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.
By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.
And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.
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DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?
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Although Floyd was the bigger man i though Marquez might of caused a few early problems in the first couple of rounds.how wrong was i lol.
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Majesty
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awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.
And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.
By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.
And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.
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Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?
If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away
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Majesty
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awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.
And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.
By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.
And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.
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DaxxKahn
Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.
Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.
Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.
NOW!!!!!!
Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.
Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,
Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.
The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1
neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?
If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away
He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.
now lets look at Floyds
G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.
Mayweather beat them all.
In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.
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Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.
And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.
By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.
And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.
neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?
If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away
He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.
now lets look at Floyds
G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.
Mayweather beat them all.
In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.
Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!
Surely you know your talking rubbish
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themacmagician
If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away
He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.
now lets look at Floyds
G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.
Mayweather beat them all.
In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.
Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!
Surely you know your talking rubbish
I can cherry pick too. lets compare to the current p4p number 1.
Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.
Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley. So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate
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He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.
now lets look at Floyds
G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.
Mayweather beat them all.
In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.
Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!
Surely you know your talking rubbish
Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.
Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? So who is the one talking rubbish here?
I was talking about Floyd not Pac. Which bits confusing you? I reply to your post regarding Floyd and Shane and you start talking about Pacman.
I give up man you avoid the issue all the time so to hell with it lol
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themacmagician
If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away
He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.
now lets look at Floyds
G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.
Mayweather beat them all.
In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.
Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!
Surely you know your talking rubbish
like it or not, PBF does have a very good resume. corrales, genero hernandez, castillo, demarcus corley.
plus, he gave boxing lessons after boxing lessons.
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Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!
Surely you know your talking rubbish
Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.
Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? So who is the one talking rubbish here?
I was talking about Floyd not Pac. Which bits confusing you? I reply to your post regarding Floyd and Shane and you start talking about Pacman.
I give up man you avoid the issue all the time so to hell with it lol
Apparently you made this before I added the information about Shane.
So let me put it here
And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley, prior to that he was an unknown . So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate. After he beat Oscar he fought a bunch of nobodies until Forrest wrecked him, and then went on to lose again, and then fought Wright and lost one sidedly, and then lost again to Wright.
Like I said, if Floyd had those losses on his record people wouldn't say "it's a testament to how great Floyd is to fight the best" they'd say "whenever he stepped up to some REAL competition he got beaten" and thats just how it is. Its a double standard when it comes to people like Floyd and people like Mosley. You make up two different sets of rules depending on which fighter you like more. Don't blame Floyd for winning and don't credit Mosley for losing. Floyd wanted a piece of Shane a long long time ago back and Shane didn't want it. The only reason Shane wants Floyd now is because it would get him one final pay day to go off into the sunset on. That's where the most money is. If Shane wanted a challenge he'd be fighting the people everyone is saying Floyd should be fighting. Why isn't Mosley moving up to 154 to fight Paul Williams? Why does Floyd have to be the one to do it? Why does Floyd have to fight Berto? Shouldn't Shane be trying to make that fight? Shane is as much after mega paydays as Floyd is and will cherry pick just as bad if he wants to make his money. But people only acknowledge when Floyd does it because he is easier to hate.
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Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.
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Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.
How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
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Mar
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awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.
Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.
How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.
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Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.
How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.
You seriously need to get your cock out of Floyds arse, for starters if Jones was fighting Lennox Lewis you would have a point but he fought John Ruiz, secondly remind me did Hopkins move back down to Middleweight after moving up??????? Do you think JMM will be now campaigning at 147??
Come on take them floyd glasses off mate.
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Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.
How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up too weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.
That's what a training camp involves usually (apart from piss drinking).
Why have RJJ and Hopkins joined the party now anyway? Most fighter move up in weight but not 2 weight classes for a specific fight:p
I can't debate with you man you don't address the issues I bring up.
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Kel
How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.
You seriously need to get your cock out of Floyds arse, for starters if Jones was fighting Lennox Lewis you would have a point but he fought John Ruiz, secondly remind me did Hopkins move back down to Middleweight after moving up??????? Do you think JMM will be now campaigning at 147??
Come on take them floyd glasses off mate.
What point are you trying to make?
Fact of the matter is fighters have been successful when they've moved up two weight classes. Even Mosley went from Lightweight to Welterweight to beat De La Hoya but I haven't mentioned him because he had some fights prior. Roy Jones and Hopkins have done it both. And no, Hopkins didn't move back to Middleweight but it doesn't take away from the fact Hopkins was a natural Middleweight and would often weigh in under the middleweight limit, he even weighed 155 for the De La Hoya fight. He still moved up to fight Tarver who was at the time the best light heavyweight in the world and demolished him. Regardless of what Hopkins did afterwards he still accomplished it so it's nothing that isn't unheard of. You need to take off the Floyd hater glasses. And I'm not even riding Floyd I'm just naming fighters that have been successful in Marquez's position and suddenly I'm riding Floyd? Points are, people have been in Marquez's position, other hall of fame fighters current hall of fame fighters have been successful in Marquez's position. The fact of the matter is Marquez would always lose to Mayweather and its stupid to even try to state that Floyd beat Marquez simply because he weighed more. So I don't know what point you were trying to make but naming other fighters that have been successful in Marquez's position(Mayweather included) is not riding Floyd. If I was using this win to boost him to the top of everyones p4p list while saying he walks on water then you'd have a point. But I haven't so quit overreacting.
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How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up too weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.
That's what a training camp involves usually (apart from piss drinking).
Why have RJJ and Hopkins joined the party now anyway? Most fighter move up in weight but not 2 weight classes for a specific fight:p
I can't debate with you man you don't address the issues I bring up.
Yes and considering what Marquez went through it makes it all the more stupid for you to say that Marquez was just there for a pay day.
As far as issues you already brought up, I already addressed you about Shane which you didn't reply to, so you must have missed that. So here it is again
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Apparently you made this before I added the information about Shane.
So let me put it here
And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley, prior to that he was an unknown . So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate. After he beat Oscar he fought a bunch of nobodies until Forrest wrecked him, and then went on to lose again, and then fought Wright and lost one sidedly, and then lost again to Wright.
Like I said, if Floyd had those losses on his record people wouldn't say "it's a testament to how great Floyd is to fight the best" they'd say "whenever he stepped up to some REAL competition he got beaten" and thats just how it is. Its a double standard when it comes to people like Floyd and people like Mosley. You make up two different sets of rules depending on which fighter you like more. Don't blame Floyd for winning and don't credit Mosley for losing. Floyd wanted a piece of Shane a long long time ago back and Shane didn't want it. The only reason Shane wants Floyd now is because it would get him one final pay day to go off into the sunset on. That's where the most money is. If Shane wanted a challenge he'd be fighting the people everyone is saying Floyd should be fighting. Why isn't Mosley moving up to 154 to fight Paul Williams? Why does Floyd have to be the one to do it? Why does Floyd have to fight Berto? Shouldn't Shane be trying to make that fight? Shane is as much after mega paydays as Floyd is and will cherry pick just as bad if he wants to make his money. But people only acknowledge when Floyd does it because he is easier to hate.
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Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.
Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.
When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...
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Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.
Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.
When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...
You must have hated delahoya for the last few years, and mosley and hopkins for the last year.
Who should Mayweather fight? Mosley? He tried to fight Mosley years ago when Shane was a lot less past it then he is now and Shane didn't want him. The only reason Shane wants him now is for the last big pay day.
I don't see Cotto, Pacquiao, or Mosley calling out, Berto, or Paul Williams either, so why aren't you down on them? Why is Mayweather the only one who gets hate for not fighting these people? Mosley was gonna fight Clottey but then when the proposition of Mayweather comes up thats who he wants to fight because if he had a choice he would fight who brings him the most money, rather then fighting the up and coming young talent. Which is exactly what people hate on Floyd for doing, but any and everyone else seems exempt
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Man, Majesty is murdering in this thread!
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How can anyone have a debate with Majesty, the guy just doesnt take your argument on board, I cant talk to this guy, he just totally ignores the facts.
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How can anyone have a debate with Majesty, the guy just doesnt take your argument on board, I cant talk to this guy, he just totally ignores the facts.
Really? I ignore the facts. I already responded to Kel on Mosley, You on thinking I was biased for Floyd and Conrad on Floyd's "cowardice"
Don't try to say I'm not trying to debate you when I post a reply to counter yours and you don't reply to it. Just because my opinion isn't yours doesn't mean I ignore the facts, it means I have a different perspective and if you aren't even going to defend your perspective then don't say I'm the one who ignores something ;)
