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does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
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Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
Yes but only if they go through the tournament undefeated. Even though Mikkel Kessler lost to Calzaghe he would finish his career with a better resume because it's not as if Joe destroyed him.
Arthur Abraham is a dark horse to win the super six, some people seem to have Kessler as a dead cert to win it bur Abraham is a class fighter with just as much skill as him. I'd like to see Froch do well but his defense has been badly exposed by Taylor who wouldn't make the same mistake twice if they fought again.
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gudnite vienna
If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
If Kessler wins it obviously not:
A golden generation?
Not to sure about that Ward and Dirrell are untested at any sort of world level really, Taylor has been beaton a few times, Kessler got beat by Calzaghe, the others are good fighters but hard to say, I would defintly not call it a golden generation just yet.
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well when theres pavlk and possibly williams to throw in the mix, and with fights with Hopkins and Dawson at LHW i'd say its got plenty of depth to say the least..
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well when theres pavlk and possibly williams to throw in the mix, and with fights with Hopkins and Dawson at LHW i'd say its got plenty of depth to say the least..
Them names you mention minus Williams ave been about while Calzaghe was at the top add Tarver Johnson and a more prome RJJ, dont see much difference to honest mate.
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If Calzaghe was to come back and defeat the winner of this comp it would certainly do a lot for his resume, but of course of it was kessler it would be kind of pointless..
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Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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yeh i agree mate, bell end springs to mind...
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Not if it's Kessler. That will just reinforce how good Calzaghe was.
Froch, Taylor and Abraham wouldn't beat Calzaghe in a million years. Well maybe 1 in 20. No way they could be ranked ahead of him. That would be a travesty.
Dirrell and Ward are unexposed. So should either piss the comp then naturally they will secure a lofty postion in the history of the 168 division.
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Not if it's Kessler. That will just reinforce how good Calzaghe was.
Froch, Taylor and Abraham wouldn't beat Calzaghe in a million years. Well maybe 1 in 20. No way they could be ranked ahead of him. That would be a travesty.
Dirrell and Ward are unexposed. So should either piss the comp then naturally they will secure a lofty postion in the history of the 168 division.
I agree with that, although I think were Abraham to win it without tasting defeat, he would be ranked higher, although I don't think he's better if that makes sense. Tbh, although I think the winner may get more credit or have a better resume, I think Calzaghe was a more talented fighter than any of these guys.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
I agree with that and I see nothing offensive about this statement. I think people are misunderstanding and think if Jermain Taylor's resume is better than he is better. Jermain Taylor's list of fighters, when he fought them, and how many times he fought them is a better group than Joe Calzaghe's list of fighters when he fought them. This is not to say that Jermain Taylor is the better fighter. Heck, I think we all can agree that Calzaghe is probably a better fighter than Taylor. But who Taylor has fought is a better select group. Actually, Taylor is a throwback fighter. He doesn't even allow himself a tune up fight here and there. Calzaghe's resume is riddled with "tunes up." Taylor's resume is better but Calzaghe is the better fighter. Just about everytime a contender beats a world champion he just showed he was better than the person with a better resume. If we really sit down and compare there are not too many fighters with a better resume than Jermain Taylor. And this is before the Super 6 tournament. So to answer the question. If Jermain Taylor won the Super 6 tournament I think he would without a doubt have a better resume than Joe Calzaghe. The two Andres wouldn't, Kessler would be arguable but only that, Froch and Abraham would probably not have a better resume.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
No, he doesn't. :rolleyes:
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
One thing you can say about Taylor that you cannot say about many other fighters is Taylor never ducked anyone and always fought the best.......Joe didnt always fight the best.....Was Taylor a better fighter than Joe, maybe.....Taylor has better skills and power but he lacks great stamina.....
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and how is that?
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
No, he doesn't. :rolleyes:
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
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If someone comes through this group undefeated then Yes.
Likely to be Froch or Kessler.
Jermain Taylor is done, Dirrell got a shaky jaw and Andre Ward is average.(His best win is over an empty Miranda) Abraham is abit too inconsistant for me with his punch output and I think he can be outboxed.
Kessler will probably win the whole thing but then Joe's already beaten him.
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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
I'm sure it'll be up there with Sven Ottke's
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and how is that?
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NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
Yea maybe the list of names you mention on Taylor's resume are more impressive than Calzaghe's list, but considering of those names he lost to Froch, and Pavlik x 2, it doesn't really stack up. Surely you have to beat the guys on your resume to make it an impressive resume. If not its probably some journeyman with the best resume, having fought a load of big names that were on their way up.
Anyway, should Taylor go unbeaten throughout the comp, he would probably have a better resume. But definately not now.
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VD's right, everyone remembers how terrifying Ouma and Spinks were at middleweight. Those were great wins.
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If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
In reality yes, but on paper no. Joe beat Hokins and Jones which are both huge names for Calzaghe but they were both ancient!
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VD's right, everyone remembers how terrifying Ouma and Spinks were at middleweight. Those were great wins.
And they never accomplished the great achievement of reaching the Contender final like the great Peter Manfredo
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and how is that?
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NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
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If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
In reality yes, but on paper no. Joe beat Hokins and Jones which are both huge names for Calzaghe but they were both ancient!
Hardly call now a golden generation, it's great that they're all fighting each other but are these 6 really worthy of that tag? a few belt holders, couple undefeated novices and a guy who's what 1-3 in recent fights.
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and how is that?
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Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
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Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
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I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
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Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.
Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.
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Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.
Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.
Facing Hopkins twice doesn't cancel out facing Hopkins once. And Spinks and Ouma were out of there best weights. But certainly better than Manfredo and Bika
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Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.
Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.
Facing Hopkins twice doesn't cancel out facing Hopkins once. And Spinks and Ouma were out of there best weights. But certainly better than Manfredo and Bika
Honestly I don't think Ouma was even better than Manfredo. Manfredo never lost to K9 Bundrage. Spinks was barely able to beat complete unknown Deandre Latimore and got floored in the process, Bika has held his own against good competion and has wins over Manfredo, Soliman and Jaidon Codrington. He's also never been stopped and has gone 24 rounds with Calzaghe and Bute. Sure he's not world class but he's a hard night's work for anybody and a tougher challenge than a blown up welter with a notoriously weak chin and no stamina, as well as being one of the lightest hitters in boxing.
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Kessler could end up with a better resume than Calzaghe after the super 6, but it'd probably take a couple more wins to solidify. I mean just cos Joe beat him once dont mean that his resume is better. For example RJJ beat BHOP as easily as Joe beat Kess but a lot of people would say Bhop's resume and career is more impressive due to better opposition fought.
If Kess went thru undefeated then he would have to be seen as nearly having as good a resume as Joe. Then if he defeated say Bute and Pavlik for arguments sake it'd be bloody hard for even the keenest Calzaghe fan to say Kess didnt have a better Resume. He'd be 48-1 with potentially wins over Beyer, Mundine, Andrade, Ward, then maybe Taylor, Dirrel, Abraham, Froch, Bute, Pavlik. Of course one of those would be missing.
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Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
By that rationale we should be talking about Reggie Strickland's resume. A Resume is only a good one if you win. Having great jobs on your resume aint a good thing if you got fired from the most challenging ones.
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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
Well, Marciano already has a better resume than Joe... so you should say that Marciano will remain with an unmatched resume for 50 years;) Also, if we talk in matter of quality of opponent, Jermaine has the edge over Joe big time. Not saying he's better, but just like the violent one stated, quality of opponent for quality of opponent, Jermaine has a better one to this day and it is quite likely to think that he'll continue to face dangerous guys, no matter win or lose.
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Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
By that rationale we should be talking about Reggie Strickland's resume. A Resume is only a good one if you win. Having great jobs on your resume aint a good thing if you got fired from the most challenging ones.
I agree that it has to be considered somewhere, but you can't base solely on the number of defeats on the resume neither; the quality of the opponents is kinda playing down the stretch about if you'll escape with a win or a lose.
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VD's right, everyone remembers how terrifying Ouma and Spinks were at middleweight. Those were great wins.
And they never accomplished the great achievement of reaching the Contender final like the great Peter Manfredo
Ouma lost to a guy that didn't even make the Contender final :rotflmao:
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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
Well, Marciano already has a better resume than Joe... so you should say that Marciano will remain with an unmatched resume for 50 years;)
Also, if we talk in matter of quality of opponent, Jermaine has the edge over Joe big time. Not saying he's better, but just like the violent one stated, quality of opponent for quality of opponent, Jermaine has a better one to this day and it is quite likely to think that he'll continue to face dangerous guys, no matter win or lose.
No he doesn't. If it's just about names faced then Calzaghe faced Roy Jones. Roy pisses over every name on Taylors record barring Hopkins. Calzaghe faced Hopkins too.
So Calzaghe wins this easy. ;D
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Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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deadlypete
Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
Well, Marciano already has a better resume than Joe... so you should say that Marciano will remain with an unmatched resume for 50 years;)
Also, if we talk in matter of quality of opponent, Jermaine has the edge over Joe big time. Not saying he's better, but just like the violent one stated, quality of opponent for quality of opponent, Jermaine has a better one to this day and it is quite likely to think that he'll continue to face dangerous guys, no matter win or lose.
No he doesn't. If it's just about names faced then Calzaghe faced Roy Jones. Roy pisses over every name on Taylors record barring Hopkins. Calzaghe faced Hopkins too.
So Calzaghe wins this easy. ;D
I think people look at records and dismiss fights completely out of hand. Taylor has Pavlik and Hop and Winky on his record and nothing else, and people seem to be totally disregarding Joe's career pre-Lacy wtf. Granted there's a lot of crap on there, but seriously two blown up average Welters over the likes of Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell???
So many people think that boxing is like a game of conkers, that immediately once you beat a guy then you get to claim that guy's entire career as your own and shoot up to elite level. Think Hatton Tszyu, or more appropriate with this thread Taylor suddenly becoming elite with controversial wins over Hop, and then Pavlik the same for beating Taylor. But now wait, then Hop comes round and humiliates Pavlik and now your head hurts cause your flawed logic.
Suddenly, now Froch beats Taylor he is now considered another strong fighter on Taylor's resume, what if Taylor really slips and loses to a Manfredo, does he suddenly become elite? the only reason Froch and Pavlik look good on his record is cos he lost to them, what if JC had lost to Bika, would he then get to join Kess and Hop as one of his stronger opponents? but JC never lost so via VD's logic that makes him and his opponents crap.
and another newsflash for you, the Reid and Eubank Joe faced smashes Froch, and Woodhall schools him. And beating two completely untested pros in this tourney does no more than what Joe did against the likes of Veit and Starie and Sheika all those years ago, it actually does less as the latter two held wins over credible guys like Woods and Johnson respectively.
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Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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Well, Marciano already has a better resume than Joe... so you should say that Marciano will remain with an unmatched resume for 50 years;) Also, if we talk in matter of quality of opponent, Jermaine has the edge over Joe big time. Not saying he's better, but just like the violent one stated, quality of opponent for quality of opponent, Jermaine has a better one to this day and it is quite likely to think that he'll continue to face dangerous guys, no matter win or lose.
No he doesn't. If it's just about names faced then Calzaghe faced Roy Jones. Roy pisses over every name on Taylors record barring Hopkins. Calzaghe faced Hopkins too.
So Calzaghe wins this easy. ;D
I think people look at records and dismiss fights completely out of hand. Taylor has Pavlik and Hop and Winky on his record and nothing else, and people seem to be totally disregarding Joe's career pre-Lacy wtf. Granted there's a lot of crap on there, but seriously two blown up average Welters over the likes of Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell???
So many people think that boxing is like a game of conkers, that immediately once you beat a guy then you get to claim that guy's entire career as your own and shoot up to elite level. Think Hatton Tszyu, or more appropriate with this thread Taylor suddenly becoming elite with controversial wins over Hop, and then Pavlik the same for beating Taylor. But now wait, then Hop comes round and humiliates Pavlik and now your head hurts cause your flawed logic.
Suddenly, now Froch beats Taylor he is now considered another strong fighter on Taylor's resume, what if Taylor really slips and loses to a Manfredo, does he suddenly become elite? the only reason Froch and Pavlik look good on his record is cos he lost to them, what if JC had lost to Bika, would he then get to join Kess and Hop as one of his stronger opponents? but JC never lost so via VD's logic that makes him and his opponents crap.
and another newsflash for you, the Reid and Eubank Joe faced smashes Froch, and Woodhall schools him. And beating two completely untested pros in this tourney does no more than what Joe did against the likes of Veit and Starie and Sheika all those years ago, it actually does less as the latter two held wins over credible guys like Woods and Johnson respectively.
Reid v Froch prime for prime would be a good fight, I still fancy Froch. Woodhall to school Froch lol. Woodhall was shit mate european standard fighter who won a world title. Froch would beat Woodhall without much fuss.
