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This film is one sided bollocks
Not excusing Margarito one bit but there is no proof he had modified wraps against Cotto
Did you see the Cotto Fight, Cottos Nose was smashed from a clash of heads this affected Cottos stamina Margarito then walked through 6 rounds of pounding before Cotto slowed enough for Margarito to catch him
I saw no proof in that fight that hand-wraps would have made and difference in that fight
Can you please post the clash of heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Also, Roach said it clearly, we have no proof, but fans are not that stupid. Tony was caught trying to use plaster against an old man whom most thought he had no chance. Why would you use plaster against an old man and yet not try to do it against an undefeated young fighter in his prime? Is there any logic to it? Not in my book. That is like fighting the king of the school yard fair fight and then going out and beating up girls with brass knuckles ;D
That's it Sonny, we'll never know unless someone at some point comes forward and admits Margarito plastered for Cotto. But there will forever be speculation because he is a known cheat now and cannot be trusted. He deserves the scorn and taint on his record in my opinion. (I know not everyone will agree). But I'd love to see an asterisk beside his name in any records of history. Just to let future people know, this sport has no place for that kinda thing. People are dying from and living with brain injuries as it is, without the help of a cheat with no concern for rules or others safety.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
Dam cheater...He tried cheatin on the Mosley fight
But i Agree with Sonny theres no proof that he cheated on Cotto.:-\
REMATCH, I like Margo and Cotto. Plaster, probably but not definetely. Rematch. Both great fighters IMO
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Originally Posted by uwey
That guy should never have the right to walk on a ring ever again for having put the life of his opponent on the tight rope. Rematch? Never. Boxing again? Only against a falling anvil if he accepts the challenge, and that shall not be on PPV.
There will be no rematch :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless:teacher:Quote:
Originally Posted by uwey
That guy should never have the right to walk on a ring ever again for having put the life of his opponent on the tight rope. Rematch? Never. Boxing again? Only against a falling anvil if he accepts the challenge, and that shall not be on PPV.
Shane said he has nothing left to prove against Margarito.
Cotto said he refuses to give him a rematch. Well the video is on my site if you care to see it.
Well... as I stated, I think there should never be a rematch, I will sure look at your videos but I really believe Marga should stay retired forever from boxing with a permanent red card tighten to his gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********There will be no rematch :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless:teacher:Quote:
Originally Posted by uwey
That guy should never have the right to walk on a ring ever again for having put the life of his opponent on the tight rope. Rematch? Never. Boxing again? Only against a falling anvil if he accepts the challenge, and that shall not be on PPV.
Shane said he has nothing left to prove against Margarito.
Cotto said he refuses to give him a rematch. Well the video is on my site if you care to see it.
How many cheaters do it just one time. I have a feeling he's been doing it when he could get away with it. When the other fighters people didn't check his wrappings.
I don't think anyone is really going to give him the time of day fro a fight. It's hard to say what a year layoff will do to him. I think barring the fighters he can't fight, and the weakness of the LMW division.. he is prob gonna get back to 154 where he belongs.
I am affected about the whole cheating thing. It's bad, he's wrong he should not be able to fight anymore, but it's not my decision. I think boxing's image is tainted by this. But I can always have my opinion.
Oh how I didn't miss this stuff.I dont know he cheat with Cotto,and neither does anyone else.Styalistcally...and the speculation will always thrive,he had Cotto beat!He f!!!ked up and deserves the scorn in the case of Mosley but reinventing history is another thing for me.
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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Were they dating?
I am not so sure if he cheated against Cotto. How can we explain Margarito walking forward like a tank against a swarm of mosquitoes (Cotto's punches)? Did he put plaster on his face? Also, if Margarito was cheating that night, it would be a bit dumb of him to be parading his fists up high in victory walking around the ring, in front of all cameras, during the interviews after the fight, etc. Those kind of things make me wonder if he cheated or not.
From the evidence i've seen and heard I would have to say Marg cheated against Cotto.
Kind of reminds me of the Assault in the ring Video by HBO. Except not such a devastating ending!
Richardson was the one who spotted something odd, when the commissioner who was also standing right there hadn't noticed anything. Its very possible that we may not have been able see anything once the wraps were in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
End of the day I hope he never fights again, he doesn't deserve to make another cent of the sport he disrespected
The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
An easy way around that problem would be to make sure an official was in attendance supervising the wrapping of the hands and checking the gloves etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
They just supervise they don't really inspect the wraps. I'm no handwrap expert but I really doubt the inspector would have any reason to call over and feel the knucklepad out to make sure everything is legit.
Sorry but I'd like to see the clash of heads too. Also if you open your fucking eyes and take a look about the place you will see proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
lol calm down pimp. But I too am waiting for this head butt which is new to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelSorry but I'd like to see the clash of heads too. Also if you open your fucking eyes and take a look about the place you will see proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Theres more reason to believe Tony cheated than he didnt
Why you going to use plaster against an old man when your an overwhelming favorite? But not use it in your previous fight when the roles were reversed?
That is the best point made here. Cotto young undefeated fighter. Mosley old and had'nt look very spectacular in his last few fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
He cheated . Nasseem Richardson is awesome and I think the best trainer out there and this helps proove it.
i agree...........;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
What if the commission came into the ring and inspected the gloves and wraps after a fight, as well as observing the hand wrapping? I know it would be after the fact, but if it was known they would be checked...
Good point. But even if that was the case, how can we explain the fact that Cotto's best punches didn't do a thing to Margarito at all? I am not sure if it is possible to inject plaster on someone's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I woudln't mind if that became a rule. Check everything before/after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
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He probably did have loaded wraps... we can (and have) speculate as much and for as long as we want to but only 1-2 people will ever know for certain.
Cotto's fans are just going to have to accept the outcome and move on.
out and out cheat!! should be in jail instead of wanting rematches
You must have missed the fight, the post fight interview, the post fight press conference and anything that followed after, did you not see Margacheaters face? His face was more bruised and battered against Cotto than it was against Shane Mosley. You see, Margarito was wearing the plaster the night of the Cotto fight, Margarito was able to ZAP Cotto's power with a few shot's which gave Margacheater the advantage in the long run. Margarito with out his plaster in the Mosley fight was unable to cause any damage, Margarito did land some shots but they were noneffective due to the lack of plaster ;D I am not denying that Margarito has an iron jaw, truth is, I know a lot of feather fist fighters with granite chin, we now know that Margarito is one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoGood point. But even if that was the case, how can we explain the fact that Cotto's best punches didn't do a thing to Margarito at all? I am not sure if it is possible to inject plaster on someone's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Yes Margarito has a decent chin but he was still knocked the fudge out.
At least if they are checked after the fight you know they can't slip the offending substance out. Rules should be made that all wraps are inspected post fight too. Especially when there is abnormal bruising of the opponents face.
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did you not see Margacheaters face?
He doesn't look THAT bad here. I'll look for more pictures out there later.
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Margarito was able to ZAP Cotto's power with a few shot's which gave Margacheater the advantage in the long run
It was Cotto's fight for more than half of the fight connecting more power punches, combinations, points, and every punch you can imagine. Still, Margarito kept walking through them with ease. Until he started catching Cotto.
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Margarito with out his plaster in the Mosley fight was unable to cause any damage
Mosley is way harder to hit specially with someone as slow as Margarito. Cotto is no speedster and not the greatest in defense.
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I know a lot of feather fist fighters with granite chin, we now know that Margarito is one of them
True but Margarito is not necessarily a feather fisted guy. He has more than a couple of KOs in his record.
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Yes Margarito has a decent chin but he was still knocked the fudge out
I know, huh? I was surprised with that fight. I was expecting Mosley to score an easy decision on Tony and win all rounds on points.
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Once the plaster was found, everyone including Tony and his team knew the gig was up. I feel sorry for all those people who bet on Tony to win. Honestly, those people who did bet on Tony to win that night should have been given an instant refund or the opportunity to bet on Mosley. I know I changed my view of who would win once the plaster was discovered. I was like no wonder, this explains a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
A stick of chewing gum sized piece of gauze in a wraps is Loading the gloves?????????????????? That is preposterous.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********Can you please post the clash of heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Also, Roach said it clearly, we have no proof, but fans are not that stupid. Tony was caught trying to use plaster against an old man whom most thought he had no chance. Why would you use plaster against an old man and yet not try to do it against an undefeated young fighter in his prime? Is there any logic to it? Not in my book. That is like fighting the king of the school yard fair fight and then going out and beating up girls with brass knuckles ;D
Margarito kicked Cottos butt LEGITIMATELY
Everyone can believe what they want. I don't buy that Margacheato would start cheating at that particular juncture of his career. There is no way anyone can convince me that he had never done that before the Mosley fight. There is no way you are going to take that kind of risk unless you are reasonably confident you are going to get away with it.
I'm glad to see Freddie Roach has come to his senses. It made me sick when he came out and said he believed Margacheato and was going to try to help him get back on his feet, just because Margacheato told him he didn't do it.
we can all speculate to what we want to believe. there was no proof that he did use loaded wraps against cotto or he didnt. the bias is by choice. of course whoever is a cotto fan would say margo cheated and whoever is a margo fan would say he didnt do it against cotto.. this arguement will go on forever. the guy is serving his suspension and then maybe they'll let him fight again. who knows. anyway.. i watch the cotto vs margo fight again since ive been on youtube too much lately.. one this is for sure tho.. loaded gloves or not... no matter how fast or how slow you think margarito was.. he caught cotto with looping(not even straight)punches no problem. he did it all night
What about the people in the middle though? I mean doesn't common sense kind of prevail there? It shouldn't be such a long thread, no one knows but the odds are he did. Unless he got spooked but I really doubt that.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334