Sorry for another Pacquiao thread, but this pissed me off

Freddie Roach has decided that Manny Pacquiao is a 145lb fighter. Not a 140lber or 147lber. No he's a 145lb guy & can only fight at that weight.

It was one thing for him to do it to Cotto, because granted Manny was the smaller guy & coming up in weight, whilst Cotto likes to impose his strength. I didn't agree with it, but I can understand it.

Now, he's also said he wants a Mayweather fight at 145. This smells of BS because let's face it Mayweather doesn't impose his size on people & no way is he THAT much bigger than Pacquiao.

But, to top it all off, now Roach has said that if there was to be a Pac-JMM III, it could only be at 145lbs. Yep, apparently Manny who's not big enough to make the full welterweight limit, would simply be unable to burn off the weight to make light-welterweight.

It's all here

Pacquiao-Marquez 3: Roach Would Want it at 145-Pounds - Boxing News

Apparently Roach 'likes that weight for Manny', so all weightclasses will be bastardized to suit his needs :rolleyes:

Xadu?

nah, is a bit ridiculous if they hold to that but we don't know for sure if they will.

I would say that Floyd does seem clearly bigger to me, he looked solid against JMM, but if its more than just a negotiating ploy than it is a bit silly.

This is just silly.

I'm sure this is all to do with the PBF match.

Pre fight problem making.

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Xadu?

nah, is a bit ridiculous if they hold to that but we don't know for sure if they will.

I would say that Floyd does seem clearly bigger to me, he looked solid against JMM, but if its more than just a negotiating ploy than it is a bit silly.

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Lmfao!

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Jaz, this is just like your beef with the PW camp, and my response is the same! Pac's team would not be doing it's job properly if they didn't secure every tiny advantage possible. If you gonna get upset every time someone in boxing is full of bullshit and a complete hypocrite, then be prepared to upset for as long as you're a boxing fan!

Like it or not it's just part of the game. Again, when going into battle you have to try to secure every little advantage possible... And no, I'm not saying I like the methods either, but be a duck, be a duck!

I translate this to mean the entire year of 2010 will be spent in negotiations for this fight. Roach is being ridiculous if this is the case, let Manny come in at 145 who cares? But to make his opponents do it? Blasphemy. Maybe he's just concerned with defending the Diamond Belt.

PAC/PBF 2011 !!!

2lbs is a good sh1t where I come from. If manny can come up from Light Flyweight to 145, I don't see 147 making much difference ;)

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Freddie Roach has decided that Manny Pacquiao is a 145lb fighter. Not a 140lber or 147lber. No he's a 145lb guy & can only fight at that weight.

It was one thing for him to do it to Cotto, because granted Manny was the smaller guy & coming up in weight, whilst Cotto likes to impose his strength. I didn't agree with it, but I can understand it.

Now, he's also said he wants a Mayweather fight at 145. This smells of BS because let's face it Mayweather doesn't impose his size on people & no way is he THAT much bigger than Pacquiao.

But, to top it all off, now Roach has said that if there was to be a Pac-JMM III, it could only be at 145lbs. Yep, apparently Manny who's not big enough to make the full welterweight limit, would simply be unable to burn off the weight to make light-welterweight.

It's all here

Pacquiao-Marquez 3: Roach Would Want it at 145-Pounds - Boxing News

Apparently Roach 'likes that weight for Manny', so all weightclasses will be bastardized to suit his needs :rolleyes:

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Holly Crap dude... it's just bargaining man. He's just yanking Floyd's chain. It's the same as Floyd' saying he did one million buys all by himself.

This is getting RIDICULOUS!
Why don't we just give Pacquiao all the surrounding belts plus make him some diamond, platinum, ruby belts for good measure. Hell, lets let him win the heavyweight belts at 145.

This is a prime example of why boxing needs a single governing body. With this kind of corruption, no wonder it's faded from mainstream sports. Pacman bringing boxing back? ..Or pushing it further back?

The fight should be done at 145 and the winner gets yet another new belt of some kind and Manny has to also put up his 140 and 147 WBO trinkets :)

Purse, 40/40 winner gets the additional 20.
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Make this a small ring so Floyd can't run all night. Cotto ran and Manny could not really catch him, so what makes us think he will catch one of the greatest runners of all times?

Presently Pacquiao has 2 140 lbs. belts, the Ring and IBO belts aside from his newly acquired 147 belts.

Mayweather made 146 easy without a sweat in his last weigh-in. I think he could make 145 without problems. Pacquiao weigh-in at 144 last time out.

Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is not for any belt, be it the WW or Jr. WW belts. This fight is for the P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade accolades. Any agreed contracted weight will do and 145 lbs. seems fair and sensible.

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Presently Pacquiao has 2 140 lbs. belts, the Ring and IBO belts aside from his newly acquired 147 belts.

Mayweather made 146 easy without a sweat in his last weigh-in. I think he could make 145 without problems. Pacquiao weigh-in at 144 last time out.

Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is not for any belt, be it the WW or Jr. WW belts. This fight is for the P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade accolades. Any agreed contracted weight will do and 145 lbs. seems fair and sensible.

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Not trying to hate bro but Mayweather did not make it without a sweat. He came 2 pounds over the limit against Marquez therefore had to pay a fined to him... /on another note.. This is ridiculously though Pacquiao is the 147 pound limit champion but has not and does not want to take the risk of fighting the max limit of 147.. smh

I've said this before, but I honestly think Freddie Roach gets the sympathy vote sometimes because he has Parkinsons.

He has come accross like a prick at times and talked trash but doesn't seem to get picked up for it.

I made my mind up about him when he said he knew Manny was gonna beat De La Hoya the day after the weigh in when he saw I.V marks in his arms used for rehydration. Basically, knowingly making Oscar come down that low for the reason that he'd be weight drained.

He might as well have said "I wanted Manny to beat a dead body in there" - A very coniving (sp?) move that could have lead to a death in the ring.

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Presently Pacquiao has 2 140 lbs. belts, the Ring and IBO belts aside from his newly acquired 147 belts.

Mayweather made 146 easy without a sweat in his last weigh-in. I think he could make 145 without problems. Pacquiao weigh-in at 144 last time out.

Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is not for any belt, be it the WW or Jr. WW belts. This fight is for the P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade accolades. Any agreed contracted weight will do and 145 lbs. seems fair and sensible.

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Not trying to hate bro but Mayweather did not make it without a sweat. He came 2 pounds over the limit against Marquez therefore had to pay a fined to him... /on another note.. This is ridiculously though Pacquiao is the 147 pound limit champion but has not and does not want to take the risk of fighting the max limit of 147.. smh

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he doesn't have to. Nothings wrong if the 147 pound champ wants to come in at 145. No rule against that. But his opponents shouldn't be made to make the same weight. They should be able to weigh in from 141 to 147 at the weigh in. if Manny only wants to weigh in at 145 thats fine. but thats a personal preference, HIS personal preference, his opponent shouldn't have to do the same.

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Presently Pacquiao has 2 140 lbs. belts, the Ring and IBO belts aside from his newly acquired 147 belts.

Mayweather made 146 easy without a sweat in his last weigh-in. I think he could make 145 without problems. Pacquiao weigh-in at 144 last time out.

Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is not for any belt, be it the WW or Jr. WW belts. This fight is for the P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade accolades. Any agreed contracted weight will do and 145 lbs. seems fair and sensible.

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Not trying to hate bro but Mayweather did not make it without a sweat. He came 2 pounds over the limit against Marquez therefore had to pay a fined to him... /on another note.. This is ridiculously though Pacquiao is the 147 pound limit champion but has not and does not want to take the risk of fighting the max limit of 147.. smh

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Bro this PBF-Pacquiao fight does not need to fall exactly in a division limit. This fight is about the best fighting the best. This is for P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade status.

In coming up with the weight, we will consider what's the best compromise weight between the 2 boxers and I think 145 lbs. is it based on their last weigh-in weights.

Anyway they can agree to have the weigh-in weight peg at 145 and Floyd has the options to come in at 146 or 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. overweight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

You failed to mention the whole context. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

THAT WAS BECAUSE FLOYD WANTS IT AT 160 LBS. :o:o

So it is a negotiation strategy!!

Here is the interview:

Fred, the entire galaxy wants Manny to fight Mayweather next. What would be the biggest challenge in making this happen?

FR – The biggest challenge will be to get Mayweather to agree to the terms of the fight. I would like to see the fight at 145 lbs. and Mayweather will go for 160 lbs. The terms of the fight would have to have a clause that includes penalties for coming in overweight. He needs us, so if he wants to fight at a heavier weight then he will have to pay for it.

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I've said this before, but I honestly think Freddie Roach gets the sympathy vote sometimes because he has Parkinsons.

He has come accross like a prick at times and talked trash but doesn't seem to get picked up for it.

I made my mind up about him when he said he knew Manny was gonna beat De La Hoya the day after the weigh in when he saw I.V marks in his arms used for rehydration. Basically, knowingly making Oscar come down that low for the reason that he'd be weight drained.

He might as well have said "I wanted Manny to beat a dead body in there" - A very coniving (sp?) move that could have lead to a death in the ring.

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So you mean Roach is a Nostradamus coz he knew very well in advance that Oscar will be weight drained, that Hatton will fall inside 3 rounds and Pacquiao will demolish Cotto?

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Presently Pacquiao has 2 140 lbs. belts, the Ring and IBO belts aside from his newly acquired 147 belts.

Mayweather made 146 easy without a sweat in his last weigh-in. I think he could make 145 without problems. Pacquiao weigh-in at 144 last time out.

Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is not for any belt, be it the WW or Jr. WW belts. This fight is for the P4P#1 and Fighter of the Decade accolades. Any agreed contracted weight will do and 145 lbs. seems fair and sensible.

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Not trying to hate bro but Mayweather did not make it without a sweat. He came 2 pounds over the limit against Marquez therefore had to pay a fined to him... /on another note.. This is ridiculously though Pacquiao is the 147 pound limit champion but has not and does not want to take the risk of fighting the max limit of 147.. smh

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he doesn't have to. Nothings wrong if the 147 pound champ wants to come in at 145. No rule against that. But his opponents shouldn't be made to make the same weight. They should be able to weigh in from 141 to 147 at the weigh in. if Manny only wants to weigh in at 145 thats fine. but thats a personal preference, HIS personal preference, his opponent shouldn't have to do the same.

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Exacty, well put man.. Pac can come in at 145 if he wants..

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Not trying to hate bro but Mayweather did not make it without a sweat. He came 2 pounds over the limit against Marquez therefore had to pay a fined to him... /on another note.. This is ridiculously though Pacquiao is the 147 pound limit champion but has not and does not want to take the risk of fighting the max limit of 147.. smh

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he doesn't have to. Nothings wrong if the 147 pound champ wants to come in at 145. No rule against that. But his opponents shouldn't be made to make the same weight. They should be able to weigh in from 141 to 147 at the weigh in. if Manny only wants to weigh in at 145 thats fine. but thats a personal preference, HIS personal preference, his opponent shouldn't have to do the same.

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Exacty, well put man.. Pac can come in at 145 if he wants..

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Floyd can come in at 146 or at 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

If Mayweather fought Marquez at 143, why can't Roach demand the fight to be at 145?

I hope you're not playing favorites Jaz.

Pac had a hard time against a 145 Cotto and I think going in 3 weights from superfeatherweight is too much for Pac. Roach as the best coach ever, knows what's good for his fighter and he's doing his best to protect Pac.

He's overprotective now considering what happened to Z Gorres. The sports is too dangerous and I hope you also take into consideration the dangerous path Pac is currently taking now.

As a fan of the sports, I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

After watching Pac vs Cotto, I could see already feel that Pac does not belong in the welterweight. He had been into many wars already and he had been into serious punishments.

Remember that no matter how great Pac is, he's still human.

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he doesn't have to. Nothings wrong if the 147 pound champ wants to come in at 145. No rule against that. But his opponents shouldn't be made to make the same weight. They should be able to weigh in from 141 to 147 at the weigh in. if Manny only wants to weigh in at 145 thats fine. but thats a personal preference, HIS personal preference, his opponent shouldn't have to do the same.

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Exacty, well put man.. Pac can come in at 145 if he wants..

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Floyd can come in at 146 or at 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

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But you know if Floyd comes in over the limit just like in the Marquez fight most people will cry and IF Floyd was to win the fight alot would blame it on coming over the limit...

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Exacty, well put man.. Pac can come in at 145 if he wants..

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Floyd can come in at 146 or at 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

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But you know if Floyd comes in over the limit just like in the Marquez fight most people will cry and IF Floyd was to win the fight alot would blame it on coming over the limit...

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Said it once I'll say it again. Weighing heavier then your opponent has nothing to do with. Out-timing, outspeeding, outboxing and out-defensing another fighter.

But against Pacquiao if it was at the 147 pound weight limit. I don't think Mayweather would come in over. If it was 145 I'm unsure, Mayweather is the kind of person who isn't going to disadvantage himself and wants to come into a fight the best shape possible. I don't think we'll get a Pacquiao fight if Roach wants them to fight at 145. Roach makes more stipulations then Mayweather ever would.

Mayweather is a cunning sonova beach. Freddy is looking to create any possible advantage he can for his fighter. If you don't think Floyd is trying to do the same thing, then your eyes are not open.

When your are king of the hill and can leverage laws or rules to protect your position. You will do that. Let the chess match begin. Go Freddy go!!!

Exactly! You guys are acting like Roach chiseled a stone tablet. Whoever Pac fights will have their position on the particulars, and they'll have to hash out concessions on both sides. If it's PBF, he'll have some pretty strong bargaining power on his side...

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Exacty, well put man.. Pac can come in at 145 if he wants..

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Floyd can come in at 146 or at 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

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But you know if Floyd comes in over the limit just like in the Marquez fight most people will cry and IF Floyd was to win the fight alot would blame it on coming over the limit...

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Floyd got criticized when he came in over the contracted weight since he signed/agreed the contract for that weight. That's why Floyd was penalized coz he didn't follow the contract.

145 lbs. seems the most fair and logical weight for Pacquiao-Floyd fight. It's 1 lb less than Floyd's last weigh-in weight and 1 lb. more than Pacquiao's last weigh-in weight.

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Floyd can come in at 146 or at 147 but he has to pay some penalties like what he did in his JMM fight where he came in 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight and paid $600,000 penalty.

The fight is off if anyone will come in more than 2 lbs. over the agreed contracted weight.

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But you know if Floyd comes in over the limit just like in the Marquez fight most people will cry and IF Floyd was to win the fight alot would blame it on coming over the limit...

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Floyd got criticized when he came in over the contracted weight since he signed/agreed the contract for that weight. That's why Floyd was penalized coz he didn't follow the contract.

145 lbs. seems the most fair and logical weight for Pacquiao-Floyd fight. It's 1 lb less than Floyd's last weigh-in weight and 1 lb. more than Pacquiao's last weigh-in weight.

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In all honestly i just hope this fight gets made no matter at what weight... lol.. Although i don't like catch weights.. this fight needs to be made! I pick Mayweather UD

Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.

List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.

List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Pac is a WW (147) champion and a Jr. WW (140) champion at the same time. Those were the belts he's currently holding now.

But these belt titles doesn't really matter. It's not the primary reason why Pacquiao vs. Mayweather should be made. The fight is not for who's the best WW or Jr. WW boxer.

This fight is all about the best fighting the best in P4P terms.

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Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.

List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Pac is a WW (147) champion and a Jr. WW (140) champion at the same time. Those were the belts he's currently holding now.

But these belt titles doesn't really matter. It's not the primary reason why Pacquiao vs. Mayweather should be made. The fight is not for who's the best WW or Jr. WW boxer.

This fight is all about the best fighting the best in P4P terms.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.

List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Pac is a WW (147) champion and a Jr. WW (140) champion at the same time. Those were the belts he's currently holding now.

But these belt titles doesn't really matter. It's not the primary reason why Pacquiao vs. Mayweather should be made. The fight is not for who's the best WW or Jr. WW boxer.

This fight is all about the best fighting the best in P4P terms.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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Pac is a WW (147) champion and a Jr. WW (140) champion at the same time. Those were the belts he's currently holding now.

But these belt titles doesn't really matter. It's not the primary reason why Pacquiao vs. Mayweather should be made. The fight is not for who's the best WW or Jr. WW boxer.

This fight is all about the best fighting the best in P4P terms.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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let me throw a 1 lb bag of sugar at your head and then tell me 1 pound is nothing, and WBC had nothing to do with the Pac/Cotto fight yet they found a way to squeeze in there

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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let me throw a 1 lb bag of sugar at your head and then tell me 1 pound is nothing, and WBC had nothing to do with the Pac/Cotto fight yet they found a way to squeeze in there

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1 lb is nothing if it's cotton. yes, this is for the p4p crown, for all the marbles, mayweather is a full 147lber while pac although competitive at welter is still a smaller guy and imo belongs at 140. i really wouldn't mind a catchweight of 145 with one guy moving up and the other moving down a bit. i just want to see this fight made.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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let me throw a 1 lb bag of sugar at your head and then tell me 1 pound is nothing, and WBC had nothing to do with the Pac/Cotto fight yet they found a way to squeeze in there

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145 is the midpoint weight between Mayweather and Pacquiao, why can't we agree on that? It's the most logical and fair weight for this fight to happen.

The governing bodies tried to squeeze themselves in these super fights to keep their belts in the limelight.

It's not the governing bodies who demanded that Mayweather-Pacquiao should be made. It's us, boxing fans who wanted/demanded for this fight.

There is NO reason why a Marquez fight could not be at 140 nor ANY reason why a Mayweather fight should not happen at 147.

None of Cotto's belts should have been on the line against Manny either. A catchweight should never be for a title. Either you can fight at the weight or you can't.

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There is NO reason why a Marquez fight could not be at 140 nor ANY reason why a Mayweather fight should not happen at 147.

None of Cotto's belts should have been on the line against Manny either. A catchweight should never be for a title. Either you can fight at the weight or you can't.

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Exactly, carrying a belt that says max limit is 147 then saying i wont fight you above 145 is complete BS..

If Mayweather agrees and signed a contract to fight JMM at 144 lbs. (tho he didn't made the weight for some reasons), why can't he agree to fight Pacquiao at 145 lbs.?

Cotto classified as a welterweight boxer agreed to fight Pacquiao at 145 lbs. (and made the weight). Why Mayweather can't do the same?

If 145 is not acceptable, should it be at 146 lbs.? That's Myweather last weigh-in weight.

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There is NO reason why a Marquez fight could not be at 140 nor ANY reason why a Mayweather fight should not happen at 147.

None of Cotto's belts should have been on the line against Manny either. A catchweight should never be for a title. Either you can fight at the weight or you can't.

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Exactly, carrying a belt that says max limit is 147 then saying i wont fight you above 145 is complete BS..

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The belts has minor roles in this fight. Throw away the belts and think of the best and most sensible weight Pacquiao and Mayweather can possibly meet and fight.

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There is NO reason why a Marquez fight could not be at 140 nor ANY reason why a Mayweather fight should not happen at 147.

None of Cotto's belts should have been on the line against Manny either. A catchweight should never be for a title. Either you can fight at the weight or you can't.

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Exactly, carrying a belt that says max limit is 147 then saying i wont fight you above 145 is complete BS..

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As a Pac fan it is getting really hard to keep ignoring these shenanigans his team is insistent are a unique Pac right.