What a great performance from Kevin Mitchell, truly a masterclass well done to you Kevin Mitchell. You made Britain proud today.
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What a great performance from Kevin Mitchell, truly a masterclass well done to you Kevin Mitchell. You made Britain proud today.
well said mate :appl:
It was a great performance but let's be honest, if Amir had fought Prescott again tonight and won exactly the way Mitchell did all everyone would be saying is that Prescott was just shit anyway as proved by his last loss to an unknown.
You can't forget the Amir Khan fight, he sparked an undefeated, number one ranked contender (yes I know not ring ranked but organisation ranked) and he did him in 76 seconds.
I can't recall any British fighter in recent times defending a world title with a win inside the first minute and a half of the fight.
I think Lennox Lewis might have beaten a couple in the first round like that but outside of him I can't think of any British fighter who has demolished a fighter in one round in a world title fight that like that.
I agree that was the fight of the night and he has done us proud. Stuck to the gameplan like shit on a blanket.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Impressive win by Khan. Why would anyone want to forget that? Give the guy a credit.
Bilbo. Shut up mate. Remind us why he was a worthy Khan opponent? He was ranked in accordance to this fight to make the win look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Grow up.
I'm fed up of you Pac fans sucking on Khans bollocks just because Freddie trains him too. Give it a fucking rest will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
He's been the mandatory for about a year now since he fought on the Calzaghe undercard. When Kotelnik beat Maidana he became the #1. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it had nothing to do with Khan or Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelBilbo. Shut up mate. Remind us why he was a worthy Khan opponent? He was ranked in accordance to this fight to make the win look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Grow up.
You can't say Amir Khan would of done the same to Breidis Prescott, Kevin Mitchell has a better chin. And much better upper body movement. Breidis Prescott was a live dangerous opponent, and Kevin Mitchell dominated him and won atleast 11 rounds showing very good boxing skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Dmitriy Salita was crap and had shown a very weak chin in the past, i mean down twice and scrapping to a draw against a guy with only 2 KO's. Are you kidding me ?
Until Amir Khan fights a puncher or atleast someone with a name, im not giving him any credit until he atleast beats.
Timothy Bradley
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Devon Alexander
Kendall Holt
Mike Alvarado
Lamont Peterson
Marcos Rene Maidana
If he beats any of these guys i will be the first to give him credit.
Come on why do you think he was picked?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's been the mandatory for about a year now since he fought on the Calzaghe undercard. When Kotelnik beat Maidana he became the #1. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it had nothing to do with Khan or Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelBilbo. Shut up mate. Remind us why he was a worthy Khan opponent? He was ranked in accordance to this fight to make the win look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Grow up.
Oh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI'm fed up of you Pac fans sucking on Khans bollocks just because Freddie trains him too. Give it a fucking rest will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
It was clear Khan would destroy this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelCome on why do you think he was picked?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's been the mandatory for about a year now since he fought on the Calzaghe undercard. When Kotelnik beat Maidana he became the #1. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it had nothing to do with Khan or Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I honestly think he'll fight Hatton now too, he's IMO an easy opponent for Khan and another name to look good against. Hatton in his pomp though would have steam rolled Khan. Yes Khan has the better technique butr his chin would collapse as soon as Hatton connected and Hatton would walk through Khan's shot's in his prime!!
You know I'm right and so do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI'm fed up of you Pac fans sucking on Khans bollocks just because Freddie trains him too. Give it a fucking rest will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
I don't know why the WBA ranked him, probably because he was popular in New York & a fight with him would of been good money in MSG. But, he was the #1 mandatory before Khan even fought Barrera. That should tell you that it has sweet fuck all to do with Khan. He had to fight him so that he doesn't have to fight a mandatory for another year.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelCome on why do you think he was picked?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHe's been the mandatory for about a year now since he fought on the Calzaghe undercard. When Kotelnik beat Maidana he became the #1. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it had nothing to do with Khan or Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
When he does that person will have to be either the Diaz/Malignaggi winner, Hatton or Kendall Holt. Plus he will most likely have to fight Maidana at some point over the next 6 months. Khan HAD to fight him or lose the belt. Fighting him now means we get to see him take on challenges next year. Surely what we want?
The Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI'm fed up of you Pac fans sucking on Khans bollocks just because Freddie trains him too. Give it a fucking rest will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
If Khan is world class you agree he should be fighting world class fighters then? He should be fighting the divisions top 10 in the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Is that not reasonable?
I'll agree he has a lot in his arsenal, but when he fights true world class his chin will be tested and for me his defence is still questionable so that will not save him. It is quite a shame too because if he had a decent chin he could probably go on to great things but if you put him in with a p4p fighter he would get sparked because a p4p fighter will always find someone's chin good (unless they're fighting PBF) at some point, and that will be the telling moment in a Khan fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Because Dmitriy Salita was crap, not a single person on here that i see. Thought this really was a serious fight, he had a rubbish chin and had a ridiculously padded record.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Its not hate its just frustration wanting to see him fight, some legit opposition any of the opponents i listed would be fine.
What world class opponents has Amir Khan beat ? you say i overrate Lucian Bute wins, well tell me what win Amir Khan has on his record that impresses you ?
I think its a bit ridiculous to say he would beat someone, of JMM's class or any world class opponent. When he hasn't even beaten the best that Britain has to offer.
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Originally Posted by KelIf Khan is world class you agree he should be fighting world class fighters then? He should be fighting the divisions top 10 in the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Is that not reasonable?
He's 22 Kel and he's already beaten Marco Antonio Barrera.
What other 22 year olds are there with better resume's than him?
Name them for me, I'd love to know all the other 22 year old kids who are world champions with a win over a living legend already to their name.
The only other ones I can think of are Devon Alexander and Koki Komeda, and neither has beaten a Barrera.
Wow.. are you really that upset that he won? think you're the one who needs to grow up mate, and stop throwing your toys out the pram every time Khan wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI'm fed up of you Pac fans sucking on Khans bollocks just because Freddie trains him too. Give it a fucking rest will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
The difference between Khan and Bute is firstly, he's seven years younger and is already a world champ whereas Bute at the same age hadn't even turned professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBecause Dmitriy Salita was crap, not a single person on here that i see. Thought this really was a serious fight, he had a rubbish chin and had a ridiculously padded record.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Its not hate its just frustration wanting to see him fight, some legit opposition any of the opponents i listed would be fine.
What world class opponents has Amir Khan beat ? you say i overrate Lucian Bute wins, well tell me what win Amir Khan has on his record that impresses you ?
I think its a bit ridiculous to say he would beat someone, of JMM's class or any world class opponent. When he hasn't even beaten the best that Britain has to offer.
Secondly nobody is trying to make a claim that Amir Khan is the number 1 at light welter like Bute is alleged to be according to the Ring.
If the Ring were to rank Amir as number 1 at lightweight I would say it was ridiculous also and point out that Bradley, Diaz, Hatton and arguably Nate Campbell and Devon Alexander should be above him.
It's a completely different argument.
The kid is sensational for his age, I'll repeat what I said to Kel, show me the other young kids of 22 or younger who have done more than Amir Khan.
He's one of the very best prospects in boxing, its simply not in dispute.
You didn't post in the "Salita Chin" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBecause Dmitriy Salita was crap, not a single person on here that i see. Thought this really was a serious fight, he had a rubbish chin and had a ridiculously padded record.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Congressman
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
Its not hate its just frustration wanting to see him fight, some legit opposition any of the opponents i listed would be fine.
What world class opponents has Amir Khan beat ? you say i overrate Lucian Bute wins, well tell me what win Amir Khan has on his record that impresses you ?
I think its a bit ridiculous to say he would beat someone, of JMM's class or any world class opponent. When he hasn't even beaten the best that Britain has to offer.
Don't be starting all that aftertiming bollocks. Fact.
He's had tons of Amateur experience, and plenty of professional fights. He got his title off probably one of worst title holders, in the last 2 decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by KelIf Khan is world class you agree he should be fighting world class fighters then? He should be fighting the divisions top 10 in the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Is that not reasonable?
He's 22 Kel and he's already beaten Marco Antonio Barrera.
What other 22 year olds are there with better resume's than him?
Name them for me, I'd love to know all the other 22 year old kids who are world champions with a win over a living legend already to their name.
The only other ones I can think of are Devon Alexander and Koki Komeda, and neither has beaten a Barrera.
And his win over MAB was laughable, not only did MAB look crap against a journeyman in his last outing. He got a horrible cut, that didn't have enough time to recover against Amir Khan, who also headbutted MAB.
And it should of been a No Contest, but on purpose they stopped it after the 4th round to give Amir Khan a tainted victory.
When he already had just about everyother, advantage in his favor. Im sorry but Amir Khan's career has been so wrapped up in a cotton wool, its ridiculous even if he's young or not.
His only took on one opponent who can bang, and thats only because nobody had ever heard of him. And even Breidis Prescott has been exposed as not being that good himself.
Just look at all his other opponents, none of them can hit. And thats because there crapping themselves about Amir Khan being in with a puncher.
And until he does or he atleast fights someone with a name, he gets no respect from me.
He complains about getting no respect, well driving 140mph running someone over, complaining about racism and this and that, when he's basically since the Olympics had everything on a silver platter.
Aswell as being well overhyped and coming out with complete crap, aswell as so far not fighting one single dangerous opponent, and he wonders why people go off ?
I didn't need to its painfully obvious for anyone, who see his fights i saw a few and a few highlights. And his chin is as bad as Amir Khan's, aswell as being mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou didn't post in the "Salita Chin" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBecause Dmitriy Salita was crap, not a single person on here that i see. Thought this really was a serious fight, he had a rubbish chin and had a ridiculously padded record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Its not hate its just frustration wanting to see him fight, some legit opposition any of the opponents i listed would be fine.
What world class opponents has Amir Khan beat ? you say i overrate Lucian Bute wins, well tell me what win Amir Khan has on his record that impresses you ?
I think its a bit ridiculous to say he would beat someone, of JMM's class or any world class opponent. When he hasn't even beaten the best that Britain has to offer.
Don't be starting all that aftertiming bollocks. Fact.
So you knew Salita was chinny as Khan but never said anything until he was knocked out? You understand that don't work, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI didn't need to its painfully obvious for anyone, who see his fights i saw a few and a few highlights. And his chin is as bad as Amir Khan's, aswell as being mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou didn't post in the "Salita Chin" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Don't be starting all that aftertiming bollocks. Fact.
You have to say things BEFORE they happen otherwise you're AFTERTIMING ;)
You can't compare there age, Lucian Bute started professionally alot older than Amir Khan did. But when Lucian Bute had 23 fights the same amount Amir Khan has now, he had beaten better quality opposition than Amir Khan by quite a big margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe difference between Khan and Bute is firstly, he's seven years younger and is already a world champ whereas Bute at the same age hadn't even turned professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBecause Dmitriy Salita was crap, not a single person on here that i see. Thought this really was a serious fight, he had a rubbish chin and had a ridiculously padded record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Its not hate its just frustration wanting to see him fight, some legit opposition any of the opponents i listed would be fine.
What world class opponents has Amir Khan beat ? you say i overrate Lucian Bute wins, well tell me what win Amir Khan has on his record that impresses you ?
I think its a bit ridiculous to say he would beat someone, of JMM's class or any world class opponent. When he hasn't even beaten the best that Britain has to offer.
Secondly nobody is trying to make a claim that Amir Khan is the number 1 at light welter like Bute is alleged to be according to the Ring.
If the Ring were to rank Amir as number 1 at lightweight I would say it was ridiculous also and point out that Bradley, Diaz, Hatton and arguably Nate Campbell and Devon Alexander should be above him.
It's a completely different argument.
The kid is sensational for his age, I'll repeat what I said to Kel, show me the other young kids of 22 or younger who have done more than Amir Khan.
He's one of the very best prospects in boxing, its simply not in dispute.
Im not saying your claiming Amir Khan is number 1, what im saying is how the hell can you say Amir Khan is this and that. When he hasn't beaten one single world class opponent or one good opponent ?
Shouldn't you wait and see how he does vs a puncher, or any of the other names i listed before. Before you start saying he would beat JMM and ETC.
I don't like Amir Khan but i don't hate him, im more frustrated than anything else. That he isn't fighting any legit opponents, after this fight he has to fight atleast Marcos Rene Maidana.
If he beats him i will give him credit, because not only has he beat a puncher. He's beaten a fighter with a name whos a live dangerous opponent.
I also never said he wasn't a good prospect, i just want to know good he truly is.
I didn't even comment on the fight itself, because i wasn't really interested in it. I was more excited about the Kevin Mitchell fight, and the Paul Williams fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo you knew Salita was chinny as Khan but never said anything until he was knocked out? You understand that don't work, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI didn't need to its painfully obvious for anyone, who see his fights i saw a few and a few highlights. And his chin is as bad as Amir Khan's, aswell as being mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You have to say things BEFORE they happen otherwise you're AFTERTIMING ;)
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI didn't even comment on the fight itself, because i wasn't really interested in it. I was more excited about the Kevin Mitchell fight, and the Paul Williams fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo you knew Salita was chinny as Khan but never said anything until he was knocked out? You understand that don't work, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
You have to say things BEFORE they happen otherwise you're AFTERTIMING ;)
If you didn'yt comment on the fight before you can't start making correct prediction posts as though you're nostradamus. ;)
If that's true why do you feel the need to disrespect him then? I mean why create a thread with the title 'Forget the Amir Khan fight...'. I mean you think it was a soft opponent, ok fair enough, but he blitzed him in truly sensational style and made his first world title defence inside 76 seconds. That's impressive, whether the guy was world class or not. Why can't you just praise Kevin Mitchell's performance without raining on Amir?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou can't compare there age, Lucian Bute started professionally alot older than Amir Khan did. But when Lucian Bute had 23 fights the same amount Amir Khan has now, he had beaten better quality opposition than Amir Khan by quite a big margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe difference between Khan and Bute is firstly, he's seven years younger and is already a world champ whereas Bute at the same age hadn't even turned professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Secondly nobody is trying to make a claim that Amir Khan is the number 1 at light welter like Bute is alleged to be according to the Ring.
If the Ring were to rank Amir as number 1 at lightweight I would say it was ridiculous also and point out that Bradley, Diaz, Hatton and arguably Nate Campbell and Devon Alexander should be above him.
It's a completely different argument.
The kid is sensational for his age, I'll repeat what I said to Kel, show me the other young kids of 22 or younger who have done more than Amir Khan.
He's one of the very best prospects in boxing, its simply not in dispute.
Im not saying your claiming Amir Khan is number 1, what im saying is how the hell can you say Amir Khan is this and that. When he hasn't beaten one single world class opponent or one good opponent ?
Shouldn't you wait and see how he does vs a puncher, or any of the other names i listed before. Before you start saying he would beat JMM and ETC.
I don't like Amir Khan but i don't hate him, im more frustrated than anything else. That he isn't fighting any legit opponents, after this fight he has to fight atleast Marcos Rene Maidana.
If he beats him i will give him credit, because not only has he beat a puncher. He's beaten a fighter with a name whos a live dangerous opponent.
I also never said he wasn't a good prospect, i just want to know good he truly is.
There are so many of you who absolutely hate on him, whenever he fights all we get his hate threads afterwards with people whining about him.
If you don't hate him, and think he is a good prospect then give him a chance.
Let me ask you this, how he could he possibly have been moved any faster in his last four fights than he has been?
He came off a devastating 1 round loss, and so went in with Osin Fagin. A respectable opponent for a comeback fight but a light hitter obviously, certainly no different from Cotto coming back against Michael Jennings, a sensible choice.
Then he got paired with Barrera, a fight where most laughed when it was announced saying he would get killed. Then he won every single round. The cut was very unfortunate, but not Amir's fault, he still did his job.
Then he fought for a world title fight, and ANY world title fight is a big fight.
He wins that and makes his mandatory and wins that.
So let me ask you, in that space of time, what more could he have done? He had to take a comeback fight, he then defeated a legend, then won a world title, then defended it against the mandatory guy he HAD to defend against.
What more could he have done?
Kevin Mitchell is 25 and has only stepped up to Breidas Prescott level tonight.
which fucking retard thought a blown-up and shot barrera would kill khan? what a fucking dumbass he must be.
that was a farcical match-up.
I quickly flashed through 12 rounds of Kevin Mitchell Jogging round the ring. I better go back and pay more attention.... Was it really that good of a performance?
He could of faced an opponent who hits harder than a 12 year old girl. It's pretty obvious every opponent he's faced since the Prescott debacle are non-punches. How can he be improved if he's still being protected?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIf that's true why do you feel the need to disrespect him then? I mean why create a thread with the title 'Forget the Amir Khan fight...'. I mean you think it was a soft opponent, ok fair enough, but he blitzed him in truly sensational style and made his first world title defence inside 76 seconds. That's impressive, whether the guy was world class or not. Why can't you just praise Kevin Mitchell's performance without raining on Amir?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou can't compare there age, Lucian Bute started professionally alot older than Amir Khan did. But when Lucian Bute had 23 fights the same amount Amir Khan has now, he had beaten better quality opposition than Amir Khan by quite a big margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Im not saying your claiming Amir Khan is number 1, what im saying is how the hell can you say Amir Khan is this and that. When he hasn't beaten one single world class opponent or one good opponent ?
Shouldn't you wait and see how he does vs a puncher, or any of the other names i listed before. Before you start saying he would beat JMM and ETC.
I don't like Amir Khan but i don't hate him, im more frustrated than anything else. That he isn't fighting any legit opponents, after this fight he has to fight atleast Marcos Rene Maidana.
If he beats him i will give him credit, because not only has he beat a puncher. He's beaten a fighter with a name whos a live dangerous opponent.
I also never said he wasn't a good prospect, i just want to know good he truly is.
There are so many of you who absolutely hate on him, whenever he fights all we get his hate threads afterwards with people whining about him.
If you don't hate him, and think he is a good prospect then give him a chance.
Let me ask you this, how he could he possibly have been moved any faster in his last four fights than he has been?
He came off a devastating 1 round loss, and so went in with Osin Fagin. A respectable opponent for a comeback fight but a light hitter obviously, certainly no different from Cotto coming back against Michael Jennings, a sensible choice.
Then he got paired with Barrera, a fight where most laughed when it was announced saying he would get killed. Then he won every single round. The cut was very unfortunate, but not Amir's fault, he still did his job.
Then he fought for a world title fight, and ANY world title fight is a big fight.
He wins that and makes his mandatory and wins that.
So let me ask you, in that space of time, what more could he have done? He had to take a comeback fight, he then defeated a legend, then won a world title, then defended it against the mandatory guy he HAD to defend against.
What more could he have done?
Kevin Mitchell is 25 and has only stepped up to Breidas Prescott level tonight.
I can see where your coming from and I know Barrera was old, BUT he hits harder than a 12 year old girl and to me was a risk for Khan. Ok he got an easier night than he might have due to the cut from the clash of heads but it was a risk that I was shocked to see Khan take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe could of faced an opponent who hits harder than a 12 year old girl. It's pretty obvious every opponent he's faced since the Prescott debacle are non-punches. How can he be improved if he's still being protected?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIf that's true why do you feel the need to disrespect him then? I mean why create a thread with the title 'Forget the Amir Khan fight...'. I mean you think it was a soft opponent, ok fair enough, but he blitzed him in truly sensational style and made his first world title defence inside 76 seconds. That's impressive, whether the guy was world class or not. Why can't you just praise Kevin Mitchell's performance without raining on Amir?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
There are so many of you who absolutely hate on him, whenever he fights all we get his hate threads afterwards with people whining about him.
If you don't hate him, and think he is a good prospect then give him a chance.
Let me ask you this, how he could he possibly have been moved any faster in his last four fights than he has been?
He came off a devastating 1 round loss, and so went in with Osin Fagin. A respectable opponent for a comeback fight but a light hitter obviously, certainly no different from Cotto coming back against Michael Jennings, a sensible choice.
Then he got paired with Barrera, a fight where most laughed when it was announced saying he would get killed. Then he won every single round. The cut was very unfortunate, but not Amir's fault, he still did his job.
Then he fought for a world title fight, and ANY world title fight is a big fight.
He wins that and makes his mandatory and wins that.
So let me ask you, in that space of time, what more could he have done? He had to take a comeback fight, he then defeated a legend, then won a world title, then defended it against the mandatory guy he HAD to defend against.
What more could he have done?
Kevin Mitchell is 25 and has only stepped up to Breidas Prescott level tonight.
Of course he was a risk, Barrera was only 12 months removed from going 12 rounds with Manny Pacquaio which in hindsight seems pretty damn impressive yet post Khan all we hear is that Barrera was shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI can see where your coming from and I know Barrera was old, BUT he hits harder than a 12 year old girl and to me was a risk for Khan. Ok he got an easier night than he might have due to the cut from the clash of heads but it was a risk that I was shocked to see Khan take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe could of faced an opponent who hits harder than a 12 year old girl. It's pretty obvious every opponent he's faced since the Prescott debacle are non-punches. How can he be improved if he's still being protected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Then he fought for a world title, then he fought his mandatory.
There has simply been no opportunity for him to fight anyone else.
He's won his belt now, and got his mandatory out of the way, lets see where he goes from here, but don't rain on the kid when he's fought three great fights back to back.
I find myself agreeing with Bilbo, he fought the guy he was supposed to , not his fault if he was shit. MAB was supposed to be going to destroy him, didn't happen ( lets not bang on about what cuaed the cut!!) .Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboOf course he was a risk, Barrera was only 12 months removed from going 12 rounds with Manny Pacquaio which in hindsight seems pretty damn impressive yet post Khan all we hear is that Barrera was shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI can see where your coming from and I know Barrera was old, BUT he hits harder than a 12 year old girl and to me was a risk for Khan. Ok he got an easier night than he might have due to the cut from the clash of heads but it was a risk that I was shocked to see Khan take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Then he fought for a world title, then he fought his mandatory.
There has simply been no opportunity for him to fight anyone else.
He's won his belt now, and got his mandatory out of the way, lets see where he goes from here, but don't rain on the kid when he's fought three great fights back to back.
I think a lot of the problem comes from the kid having a big gob and being full of the brown stuff. At what point will people give him credit, don't say when he has fought quality,as said above, he fought the mandatory and took a chance fighting a legend.
A lot of people still said he would get stopped , then others say he had a guy in there with no punch.For a guy who is chinny he certainly went after his opponent.
just give credit to this 23 year old kid, amir khan. he was impressive in destroying his mandatory challenger. his straight right, left hook and combinations were very impressive on this fight. tho i saw one instance when he got carried away and somewhat left himself open but his opponent was nowhere a threat at that time.
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Originally Posted by BilboOf course he was a risk, Barrera was only 12 months removed from going 12 rounds with Manny Pacquaio which in hindsight seems pretty damn impressive yet post Khan all we hear is that Barrera was shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI can see where your coming from and I know Barrera was old, BUT he hits harder than a 12 year old girl and to me was a risk for Khan. Ok he got an easier night than he might have due to the cut from the clash of heads but it was a risk that I was shocked to see Khan take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Then he fought for a world title, then he fought his mandatory.
There has simply been no opportunity for him to fight anyone else.
He's won his belt now, and got his mandatory out of the way, lets see where he goes from here, but don't rain on the kid when he's fought three great fights back to back.
Agree totally, nothing wron with the choice of opponents, they're not even claiming he's ready for the very top yet not as if they're making outlandish claims already.
I think he has a chance against Marquez, stylistically, and I don think Roach waould mention him if he didn't belive it himself. Diaz/Malignaggi are winnable as well IMO and prob the route I'd pick for him as Marquez is the banger of three.
I think Marquez would be a step too far for Khan at the minute. I think people are thinking JMM is shot due to what happened against PBF, that is not the case he was just outclassed by the best in the business.
Right now but a year is a long time in boxing. By the end of 2010 if Khan continues his development the way he is going you would have to fancy him to have a great chance imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Barrera was going toe to toe with Marquez and Pacquaio and giving them competitve fights only 18 months or so before stepping in with Khan.
Another 10 months or so and the pendulam swings in Khan's favour imo.
Too big, too fast, too strong, and under Freddie Roach he will have the right gameplan and discipline to carry it out.
His chin is always going to be suspect but he has the skills and speed to dominate between 135-140 over the next couple years imo.
If he had Froch's toughness he'd be a monster.
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Originally Posted by BilboThe Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CongressmanOh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
what you mean the still in his prime 37 year old Marquez?
Bilbo you just make yourself sound stupid with this bollocks.
People were rubbishing the fight as soon as it got made, just at Kotelnik before him was rusbbished by er Khan before that got signed.