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Floyd Mayweather is a runner. Derrick Gainer IS a runner. Andre Dirrell is a runner and a winner and a class person. Just cause Floyd fights defensively and picks his spots doesn't mean he's running around the ring every fight.
James Toney hadn't won a round until he knocked out Michael Nunn. You don't hear this often now but it used to be gospel and just isn't true, he had three or four good rounds in a row before he KO'd him.
I could go on but I'll leave that for now.
Floyd is a runner. Even when he gets a shit fighter like Baldomir in front of him he coasts to a win. No killer instinct, no desire to get a KO and no desire to please boxing fans. Everything a great fighter does, Floyd does not.
Baldomir is the best example of Floyd as a runner but other than that how many times has he lately? Gatti, Corley, Mitchell, Judah, Hatton, Marquez, none of those I would consider "runner" performances. Lack of a killer instinct is another thing entirely, just cause he's not brawling doesn't mean he's running though.
He's not fan friendly nor entertaining, considering the millions he earns I think he is quite pathetic.
His biggest challenges at Welter were there in front of him and he retired. Why?
You tell me why:)
Good list of shot fighters and forward plodders, just what he looks for. Do you ever think he fought them for a reason? Or do you think he was taking on the biggest challenges;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Can you name one fighter he beat in better fashion than someone else did? The answer is no mate.
Diego Corrales. I guess you could say that an overweight Castillo beat a weight-drained Corrales better than Mayweather did, but it's debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelGood list of shot fighters and forward plodders, just what he looks for. Do you ever think he fought them for a reason? Or do you think he was taking on the biggest challenges;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Can you name one fighter he beat in better fashion than someone else did? The answer is no mate.
LOL, I'm not talking about him not being exciting or avoiding challenges or fighting shot fighters or beating someone more impressively than other people have, I'm talking about him being a runner which he for the most part isn't. That's it. You're confusing me with a Floyd fan ;D
Debatable but Castillo knocked him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDiego Corrales. I guess you could say that an overweight Castillo beat a weight-drained Corrales better than Mayweather did, but it's debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelGood list of shot fighters and forward plodders, just what he looks for. Do you ever think he fought them for a reason? Or do you think he was taking on the biggest challenges;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Can you name one fighter he beat in better fashion than someone else did? The answer is no mate.
Yeah I probably made your thread a bit one sided sorry about that mate, you mentioned a lot of other fighters and examples. Well you have my input anyway:)Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
An overweight Castillo beat a weight-drained Corrales. When Mayweather beat him (as the underdog), Corrales was 33-0. PBF knocked him down five times and forced his corner to throw in the towel. It was a masterful performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDebatable but Castillo knocked him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDiego Corrales. I guess you could say that an overweight Castillo beat a weight-drained Corrales better than Mayweather did, but it's debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I would argue Gatti (can you get your ass kicked worse than that? Not sure) and maybe Angel Manfredy but that's a bit more debatable as Chico kicked the shit out of him too.
Oh yeah, JMM. Granted there were circumstances what with the weight and wear and tear but JMM looked outclassed and no one's even come remotely close to doing that to him before.
Anyone got any other myths? I figured there would be ones added.
I don't know if Hearns' chin was as glassy as some make it out to be.
kostya tszyu was a great fighter.
Lewis having a china chin.
Ok explain to me how a guy with an amateur record of 259-11, and a pro record that included 15 title defences and a unified division wasnt great? Maybe ask guys like Judah, Mitchell, Hurtado, Ruelas, Chavez and Angel Gonzalez how great he was.....Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Kel's hate for Floyd makes him forget that his favorite fighter (Tszyu) quit on his stool in one of his biggest fights, he QUIT, so not really in any position to call anyone else a coward at that point
Did Floyd give your missus one or something??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
You're worryingly obsessed with him :-\
Kosta a was a good fighter, but in truth lacks the names on his resume, his best win is against Judah. Chavez and Gonzalez were old men, most of his defences were againsts nobodys and he was beat by two fighters who have been beaton more than once, I think Kosta was a good champion a great? Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleOk explain to me how a guy with an amateur record of 259-11, and a pro record that included 15 title defences and a unified division wasnt great? Maybe ask guys like Judah, Mitchell, Hurtado, Ruelas, Chavez and Angel Gonzalez how great he was.....Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Kostya is sort of like Pryor. Lack of big names on resume and dominated the 140 pound division for a long time. I also wondered why they didn't go up to welterweight and challenged the big names.
Here's another myth. Leonard ducked Pryor and was scared of him.
The big names tended to dodge him, if a guy who is in the top 2 ever at a weight division isnt great then i dunno who is. 18 title fights in 32 fights for 2 losses, and a unified division. if that isnt knocking on the door of greatness then u cant think many guys at all are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Kosta a was a good fighter, but in truth lacks the names on his resume, his best win is against Judah. Chavez and Gonzalez were old men, most of his defences were againsts nobodys and he was beat by two fighters who have been beaton more than once, I think Kosta was a good champion a great? Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleOk explain to me how a guy with an amateur record of 259-11, and a pro record that included 15 title defences and a unified division wasnt great? Maybe ask guys like Judah, Mitchell, Hurtado, Ruelas, Chavez and Angel Gonzalez how great he was.....Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
And what big names were those that dodge Kostya? I think this is another boxing myth. De La Hoya was going to face him but he got knocked out by Phillips, so there goes that fight. There were serious rumors that PBF would have faced Kostya but he lost to Hatton and that fight was scrapped.
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Originally Posted by eagleThe big names tended to dodge him, if a guy who is in the top 2 ever at a weight division isnt great then i dunno who is. 18 title fights in 32 fights for 2 losses, and a unified division. if that isnt knocking on the door of greatness then u cant think many guys at all are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Kosta a was a good fighter, but in truth lacks the names on his resume, his best win is against Judah. Chavez and Gonzalez were old men, most of his defences were againsts nobodys and he was beat by two fighters who have been beaton more than once, I think Kosta was a good champion a great? Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
So going off your theory Sven Ottke should be up there with the likes of Leonard,Robinson and Duran's of this world.
Mate get them Kosta tinted glasses off and just have a look at who he has beat, number of defences very good but then tell me who he beat? Like I said his best win was against Zab Judah who has been beaton by many fighters many times. Kosta was beaton by Vince Phillips in his prime, Vince was an honest world contender that was nothing special. Then he also was beaton by limited Ricky Hatton, ok the arguement can be made Kosta was not at his best but to say he was shot please dont start that shit, we all no he wasn't. To list Chavez as a great win shows how weak Kosta's resume is compared to other so called greats.
Generalbulldog I agree Pryor resume is also quite weak but his first victory over Arguello shits all over anything Kosta did in his pro career, that goes down as one of the best fights I have seen and Arguello was a strong favourite going into that fight on the back of something like 17 wins with 14 of them as world champ.
I've been saying this for a while, KT's resume is very overrated. You can always argue that it just didn't work out for him as far as big fights and he was a great that didn't get the chance but nevertheless they're not there. I personally think he was more of a good fighter than a great one but either way.
He might be knocking on the door, but he's not getting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe big names tended to dodge him, if a guy who is in the top 2 ever at a weight division isnt great then i dunno who is. 18 title fights in 32 fights for 2 losses, and a unified division. if that isnt knocking on the door of greatness then u cant think many guys at all are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Kosta a was a good fighter, but in truth lacks the names on his resume, his best win is against Judah. Chavez and Gonzalez were old men, most of his defences were againsts nobodys and he was beat by two fighters who have been beaton more than once, I think Kosta was a good champion a great? Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Tszyu twice had fights lined up with big names in De La Hoya & Mayweather, in both cases with preliminary deals already in place. What happened both times? He lost fights & those opportunities disappeared.
Like Skel, beyond Judah what other prime names does he have. He's a very good fighter, but the fact is with welterweight historically being where the money is, others like Wilfred Benitez, ODLH, Mayweather, Duran, Mosley have all either passed through or simply bypassed the division to get where the money is a bit better.
Kostya is special. He was a brilliant amateur and had a bomb of a right hand. He was undisputed champ and great fighter.
Nah. He's up there with the Calzaghe's of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe big names tended to dodge him, if a guy who is in the top 2 ever at a weight division isnt great then i dunno who is. 18 title fights in 32 fights for 2 losses, and a unified division. if that isnt knocking on the door of greatness then u cant think many guys at all are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
So going off your theory Sven Ottke should be up there with the likes of Leonard,Robinson and Duran's of this world.
Some of my fav:
SRR aka. Walker Smith was undefeated as an amateur.
Willie Pep won a round without throwing a single punch.
Charley Burley was a great boxer.
Charley Burley KO'd SRR while Burley was a janitor at a gym.
Duran KO'd a horse.
He did duck Mosely right after the Marquez fight, and stormed off like a lil baby. But he is very entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
the one most banded about recently has to be
"anyone who fought at 106 at 16 years old must be a freak of nature to be at 147 by the time they are 30...."
Got a lot of respect for Pacman, but that's very true.
God I think I've naturally put on about 3-4 stone since I was 16 and I'm only 23! ;)
i was something like 112 when i was 16, am now 165 at 20Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Lewis would have lost had his fight with Klitchsko gone on.
IMO Lewis was the fighter who was looking the stronger fight at the time the fight was stopped.
Vitali had the look of a man who threw every thing he had at Lewis but still could not stop him.
Ricky Hatton would have beat Floyd if there wasn't Joe Cortez.
Ricky Hatton would have beat Manny if he wasn';t weight drain and past his prime.
Pretty much any story told by Bert Sugar.
Don King gave Tommy Morrison HIV.
Antonio Tarver was drugged Vs Hopkins :p
Oliver McCall was taking a dive in the rematch against Lewis.
Richard Steele was in the pocket of Don King.