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Miguel Cotto - Unluckiest fighter in history?
Rewind to early 2008. Miguel Cotto was as promising as they come. Having solid victories over names like Malignaggi, Judah and Mosley, he went on to face the big Mexican, Margarito. We all know what happened there, we can argue about whether or not Margarito (aka Margacheato) had hardened plaster in his gloves until the cows come home. Regardless, his hands needed to be re-wrapped multiple times before the Mosley fight, which shows that it was definitely a possibility in his previous fight, the biggest of his career at the time.
After a crushing defeat at the hands of Margarito, Cotto mustered up his strength and claimed victories over his next two opponents, despite being hampered by a very bad cut caused by a very unlucky headbutt early in the Clottey fight.
Next, he went on to face Pacquiao. Again, he faced defeat at the almost superhuman speed and strength of Pacman. Now, with recent accusations of steroid abuse, due to Pacquiao refusing more conclusive types of drug testing for the Mayweather fight, does it call into question those superhuman traits that caused Cotto his last lost?
If Cotto had forsaken his famed bravery, if he decided not to face the best in the business, if cheating was not heard of in this dirty sport, would he still be undefeated? Would his name be on top of the P4P list?
I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
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I was thinking a similar thing earlier actually. If the Pacquiao rumours did indeed turn out to be true, then that would have to be the worst run of luck possible. There is no doubt that those two fights will have taken a lot out of Cotto, he dug in deep in both of them and took an awful lof of punishment. And then you factor in the Clottey fight where he was cut badly so early and again ground his way through.
Let's just hope that Manny isn't on anything. It would be so cruel to find out he had been beaten by a cheater yet again. It doesn't bear thinking about. :-\
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Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
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Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
As much as it may help his mental state (or eat away at it :P), he took a LOT of physical punishment in those fights (as miles pointed out, he had to dig deep to even make it to the championship rounds). While he may stick around for a bit longer, I'm not sure he'll still be able to compete at the super-elite level.
I'm a big Cotto fan and if the accusations about Pacquiao are true (or even if they are left unproven - like Margarito's gloves), it'll absolutely crush my faith in the sport. Unless things change drastically, professional boxing will probably loose a fan in me.
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TheBranMan
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Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
As much as it may help his mental state (or eat away at it :P), he took a LOT of physical punishment in those fights (as miles pointed out, he had to dig deep to even make it to the championship rounds). While he may stick around for a bit longer, I'm not sure he'll still be able to compete at the super-elite level.
I'm a big Cotto fan and if the accusations about Pacquiao are true (or even if they are left unproven - like Margarito's gloves), it'll absolutely crush my faith in the sport. Unless things change drastically, professional boxing will probably loose a fan in me.
I hear what ya saying bro,
Cotto also ranks high on my fave fighters list and to see that happen to him was hard to watch, yet i also had great respect for Manny to do what he done against two of the best LWW's and WW's in todays game in Hatton and Cotto.
I personally still dont understand that if Manny is willing to take the test the day after the fight whats all the hoo-har
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Marg fight did ruin him if Marg cheated for that fight. Cotto could have done more, he would have beaten Shane in a rematch and Clottey far more convincingly but do not think he would have beaten Pac but it would have been an exciting and more even fight.
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Originally Posted by
Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
hatton was hurt by lazcano..... i dont think pac needed anything to put him away
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I still wish Cotto-Hatton had happened....that would have been a big fight and just an all out brawl
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Manny Pacquiao Drug Test Results made Public!
Some have questioned if Manny Pacquiao fights clean or if he is on some kind of Steroid or enhancement. Well it can be put to rest that Pacquiao was not on any drugs, enhancements or steroids when he faced Miguel Cotto.
CNN.SI is reporting and confirming that Pacquiao has tested clean for drugs and steroids after his stunning victory over Cotto. Pacquiao who defeated Cotto with a 12rd TKO has been unfairly targeted by some who claim his performances must be due to steroids or some sort of illegal substance.
According to CNN.SI's reporting, Keith Kizer the director of the NSAC (Nevada State Athletic Commission) confirmed that Pacquiao took 2 urine tests that were taken from him before and after his fight with Cotto. The urine came back negative, showing that there was no steroids or illegal substances to be found in Pacquiao's system. Bottom line, Pacquiao fought a clean fight.
Also to further prove Pacquiao is a clean fighter who is not relying on steroids or enhancements, Kizer confirmed this was the 10th test Pacquiao has had done over the years in Nevada... he passed each and every test.
So there you have it folks, the next time someone tries and tells you that Pacquiao takes Steroids... you tell them the Nevada State Athletic Commission disagrees and has numerous tests to back that up. Pacquiao is clean!
Anyway. Nevada state athletic commission tested Manny Pacquiao negative. If you have doubt in the NSAC please feel free to insult them. ;D
Email them @ Business & Industry - Nevada Athletic Commission
NV STATE ATHLETIC COMMISSION
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3200
Las Vegas 89101
(702) 486-2575
(702) 486-2577 Fax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yat1nmb4f_shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSEHukEFBXg
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Intazzz
Manny Pacquiao Drug Test Results made Public!
Some have questioned if Manny Pacquiao fights clean or if he is on some kind of Steroid or enhancement. Well it can be put to rest that Pacquiao was not on any drugs, enhancements or steroids when he faced Miguel Cotto.
CNN.SI is reporting and confirming that Pacquiao has tested clean for drugs and steroids after his stunning victory over Cotto. Pacquiao who defeated Cotto with a 12rd TKO has been unfairly targeted by some who claim his performances must be due to steroids or some sort of illegal substance.
According to CNN.SI's reporting, Keith Kizer the director of the NSAC (Nevada State Athletic Commission) confirmed that Pacquiao took 2 urine tests that were taken from him before and after his fight with Cotto. The urine came back negative, showing that there was no steroids or illegal substances to be found in Pacquiao's system. Bottom line, Pacquiao fought a clean fight.
Also to further prove Pacquiao is a clean fighter who is not relying on steroids or enhancements, Kizer confirmed this was the 10th test Pacquiao has had done over the years in Nevada... he passed each and every test.
So there you have it folks, the next time someone tries and tells you that Pacquiao takes Steroids... you tell them the Nevada State Athletic Commission disagrees and has numerous tests to back that up. Pacquiao is clean!
Anyway. Nevada state athletic commission tested Manny Pacquiao negative. If you have doubt in the NSAC please feel free to insult them. ;D
Email them @
Business & Industry - Nevada Athletic Commission
NV STATE ATHLETIC COMMISSION
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3200
Las Vegas 89101
(702) 486-2575
(702) 486-2577 Fax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yat1nmb4f_shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSEHukEFBXg
you mean like when mosleys test were coming up negative too ?? :rolleyes:
its only a urine test that they do, the majority of commonly used PED's today wont show in urine tests so it was pointless
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Think we are all hoping and preying this whole situation turns out to be a storm in a teacup and that manny is indeed the superior athlete we all recognise him as.
The way he has bulked up i have honestly never ever come across - duran, leonard, mayweather etc etc etc. I cant think of a single fighter that has managed to mantain and progress his muscular structure the way pacquiao has moving through the weights and i just hope to god for boxings sake its due to hard work.
Floyd Mayweather has no right to be asking for these extra tests and im in complete agreement with freddy roach in that its up to the WBC to set the rules and not a particular fighter.
Again for the sake of oscar, hatton and miguel i just prey to god pacquiao hasnt pulled a fast one over all of us and put the sport into complete chaos!!
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Intazzz
no one is saying Pacquiao is guilty, but his ridiculous refusal to take such an easy blood test that would have NO EFFECT on him whatsoever is pretty suspicious, it's not only that he's refusing, it's how desperately him and Roach are trying to avoid the blood tests that's suspicious, and the retarded excuses he's coming up with only add up to it
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no one is saying Pacquiao is guilty, but his ridiculous refusal to take such an easy blood test that would have NO EFFECT on him whatsoever is pretty suspicious, it's not only that he's refusing, it's how desperately him and Roach are trying to avoid the blood tests that's suspicious, and the retarded excuses he's coming up with only add up to it
Again Manny Pacquiao already said official the he don't have problem taking his blood right after the fight. The testing by the Nevada commission is more than adequate to catch any malefactors according to top rank. But Mayweather is bigger than the commission. Mayweather is bigger than the sport itself. Because his idiot father (Floyd Senior) says Manny is cheating with drugs that justifies everything. They can test Manny at any other time they want to 24/7, They don’t have a problem with that, but not right before the fight. They want to harass him psychologically. The Mayweather's and the Golden Boy Promotion wants Manny Pacquiao "psychologically damage". Taking blood before the fight is like having sex it will make you feel weak. Both side is trying to get the upper hand and trying to hype this fight in my opinion. What is the different of taking blood before and after the fight? For me is the same and there is no different. They can still check if Pacquiao is on something but not before the fight but After the fight. So now the moronic clowns of Nevada are asking Pacquiao to undergo Olympic style drug testing, this simply means that the commission is unreliable. Why don't they just shut it down and bring in the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency there instead. And yeah! All boxers that will fight in Las Vegas should take the test too. Because it is UNRELIABLE. Looks like the Mayweathers know all of this huh? Are they steroid users before? Floyd Mayweather Sr. was imprisoned coz of drugs. In my opinion put Mayweather Sr. as the new commissioner of the sports.
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Intazzz
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no one is saying Pacquiao is guilty, but his ridiculous refusal to take such an easy blood test that would have NO EFFECT on him whatsoever is pretty suspicious, it's not only that he's refusing, it's how desperately him and Roach are trying to avoid the blood tests that's suspicious, and the retarded excuses he's coming up with only add up to it
Again Manny Pacquiao already said official the he don't have problem taking his blood right after the fight. The testing by the Nevada commission is more than adequate to catch any malefactors according to top rank. But Mayweather is bigger than the commission. Mayweather is bigger than the sport itself. Because his idiot father (Floyd Senior) says Manny is cheating with drugs that justifies everything. They can test Manny at any other time they want to 24/7, They don’t have a problem with that, but not right before the fight. They want to harass him psychologically. The Mayweather's and the Golden Boy Promotion wants Manny Pacquiao
"psychologically damage". Taking blood before the fight is like having sex it will make you feel weak. Both side is trying to get the upper hand and trying to hype this fight in my opinion. What is the different of taking blood before and after the fight? For me is the same and there is no different. They can still check if Pacquiao is on something but not before the fight but After the fight. So now the moronic clowns of Nevada are asking Pacquiao to undergo Olympic style drug testing, this simply means that the commission is unreliable. Why don't they just shut it down and bring in the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency there instead. And yeah! All boxers that will fight in Las Vegas should take the test too. Because it is UNRELIABLE. Looks like the Mayweathers know all of this huh? Are they steroid users before? Floyd Mayweather Sr. was imprisoned coz of drugs. In my opinion put Mayweather Sr. as the new commissioner of the sports.
again, Mosley came out clean yet is a known user in the past, urine tests aren't enough
how the hell is it gonna cause any psychological damage? Floyd's gonna get the same testing, and Manny is no stranger to needles anyways, i doubt very much that his tattoos are temporary :rolleyes:
they're making too big of a damn case of this, do the fucking test and stop bitching
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When pac beat this guy you were saying he was shot. drained, etc and now you were saying it's Illegal drugs that affected pac's performance that beat cotto?
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Intazzz
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no one is saying Pacquiao is guilty, but his ridiculous refusal to take such an easy blood test that would have NO EFFECT on him whatsoever is pretty suspicious, it's not only that he's refusing, it's how desperately him and Roach are trying to avoid the blood tests that's suspicious, and the retarded excuses he's coming up with only add up to it
Again Manny Pacquiao already said official the he don't have problem taking his blood right after the fight. The testing by the Nevada commission is more than adequate to catch any malefactors according to top rank. But Mayweather is bigger than the commission. Mayweather is bigger than the sport itself. Because his idiot father (Floyd Senior) says Manny is cheating with drugs that justifies everything. They can test Manny at any other time they want to 24/7, They don’t have a problem with that, but not right before the fight. They want to harass him psychologically. The Mayweather's and the Golden Boy Promotion wants Manny Pacquiao
"psychologically damage". Taking blood before the fight is like having sex it will make you feel weak. Both side is trying to get the upper hand and trying to hype this fight in my opinion. What is the different of taking blood before and after the fight? For me is the same and there is no different. They can still check if Pacquiao is on something but not before the fight but After the fight. So now the moronic clowns of Nevada are asking Pacquiao to undergo Olympic style drug testing, this simply means that the commission is unreliable. Why don't they just shut it down and bring in the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency there instead. And yeah! All boxers that will fight in Las Vegas should take the test too. Because it is UNRELIABLE. Looks like the Mayweathers know all of this huh? Are they steroid users before? Floyd Mayweather Sr. was imprisoned coz of drugs. In my opinion put Mayweather Sr. as the new commissioner of the sports.
again, Mosley came out clean yet is a known user in the past, urine tests aren't enough
how the hell is it gonna cause any psychological damage? Floyd's gonna get the same testing, and Manny is no stranger to needles anyways, i doubt very much that his tattoos are temporary :rolleyes:
they're making too big of a damn case of this, do the fucking test and stop bitching
Then tell that to the Mayweather's that Manny Pacquiao is willing to give blood test right after the fight and his willing to give urine test too 24/7. What is the different of before and after the fight? Its the same. For Floyd its ok to give blood before the fight. And for Manny its ok to give blood after the fight. Its no big deal. The drug test is the same. Both fighter have unique superstitious. Just respect both fighters and what they do believe in. This is only a psychological war for both. Why they don't respect each other what they believe. Again this is a mind game plan for the Mayweather's. Pac is willing to give Blood test right after the fight. Just agree on it and stop bitching Mayweather's. :rolleyes:
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gargoyle
When pac beat this guy you were saying he was shot. drained, etc and now you were saying it's Illegal drugs that affected pac's performance that beat cotto?
only person who Pacquiao beat who was shot and weight drained was DLH, anyone who tries to deny that is blind, and no one on here has said that Pac is using illegal drugs only that the fact that he's going apeshit against taking a couple simple fucking blood tests (which Mayweather would be taking himself), and the best excuse he can come up with is "needles are scary" :rolleyes:, he needs to man up and take the blood tests and stop being everything everyone bitches that Floyd is (a pre-madonna, chicken shit, manipulator, etc.)
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Intazzz
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ElTerribleMorales
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Intazzz
Again Manny Pacquiao already said official the he don't have problem taking his blood right after the fight. The testing by the Nevada commission is more than adequate to catch any malefactors according to top rank. But Mayweather is bigger than the commission. Mayweather is bigger than the sport itself. Because his idiot father (Floyd Senior) says Manny is cheating with drugs that justifies everything. They can test Manny at any other time they want to 24/7, They don’t have a problem with that, but not right before the fight. They want to harass him psychologically. The Mayweather's and the Golden Boy Promotion wants Manny Pacquiao "psychologically damage". Taking blood before the fight is like having sex it will make you feel weak. Both side is trying to get the upper hand and trying to hype this fight in my opinion. What is the different of taking blood before and after the fight? For me is the same and there is no different. They can still check if Pacquiao is on something but not before the fight but After the fight. So now the moronic clowns of Nevada are asking Pacquiao to undergo Olympic style drug testing, this simply means that the commission is unreliable. Why don't they just shut it down and bring in the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency there instead. And yeah! All boxers that will fight in Las Vegas should take the test too. Because it is UNRELIABLE. Looks like the Mayweathers know all of this huh? Are they steroid users before? Floyd Mayweather Sr. was imprisoned coz of drugs. In my opinion put Mayweather Sr. as the new commissioner of the sports.
again, Mosley came out clean yet is a known user in the past, urine tests aren't enough
how the hell is it gonna cause any psychological damage? Floyd's gonna get the same testing, and Manny is no stranger to needles anyways, i doubt very much that his tattoos are temporary :rolleyes:
they're making too big of a damn case of this, do the fucking test and stop bitching
Then tell that to the Mayweather's that Manny Pacquiao is willing to give blood test right after the fight and his willing to give urine test too 24/7. What is the different of before and after the fight? Its the same. For Floyd its ok to give blood before the fight. And for Manny its ok to give blood after the fight. Its no big deal. The drug test is the same. Both fighter have unique superstitious. Just respect both fighters and what they do believe in. This is only a psychological war for both. Why they don't respect each other what they believe. Again this is a mind game plan for the Mayweather's. Pac is willing to give Blood test right after the fight. Just agree on it and stop bitching Mayweather's. :rolleyes:
As has been said in another thread, PEDs can be out of the system in a couple of days while the effects of them last longer. Mayweather isn't asking for tests right before the fight, he wants random testing in the 30 days before the fight, which he will also be subjected to. Urine tests do not detect certain types of PEDs. Knowing when the tests will happen allows for the use of PEDs to be covered up. If the tests are random you are more likely to be caught. I think Pacquiao is clean, but why won't he agree to random testing in the 30 days before a fight? I wouldn't want to have blood taken right before i stepped in the ring, but that isn't what they're asking. Just take the damn test and get the fight on.
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Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
interesting how? what has Cotto been unlucky with lol???
magarito beat the shit out of him, even if he did have hand wraps on that wasnt what beat cotto, what beat him was the simple fact that he was to stupid to change his fight, maga took ecerything cotto could throw and cotto as always tired and this time quit, was NOTHING to do with maga's hands at all lol whata fucking joke to bring that up.
and as for pac, again cotto couldn't change or been focused enough to win that fight. when he boxed he was winning, but he tried ot tade and was to slow, didn't learn from it and got fucked up
unlcuky my ass, fucking lucky is more like it he got to where he is now be fighitng and getting a rep from beating overrated fighter... look ad paulie, people give him props and an ok hatton beat the shit out of him... torres give him hell and he is fuck all...
his only good win was against shane and shane was screwed for stamina after a few rounds (a fight i thought was a draw anyhow)
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Preme
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Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
interesting how? what has Cotto been unlucky with lol???
magarito beat the shit out of him, even if he did have hand wraps on that wasnt what beat cotto, what beat him was the simple fact that he was to stupid to change his fight, maga took ecerything cotto could throw and cotto as always tired and this time quit, was NOTHING to do with maga's hands at all lol whata fucking joke to bring that up.
and as for pac, again cotto couldn't change or been focused enough to win that fight. when he boxed he was winning, but he tried ot tade and was to slow, didn't learn from it and got fucked up
unlcuky my ass, fucking lucky is more like it he got to where he is now be fighitng and getting a rep from beating overrated fighter... look ad paulie, people give him props and an ok hatton beat the shit out of him... torres give him hell and he is fuck all...
his only good win was against shane and shane was screwed for stamina after a few rounds (a fight i thought was a draw anyhow)
http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/u...gonna-hate.gif
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Intazzz
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ElTerribleMorales
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Intazzz
Again Manny Pacquiao already said official the he don't have problem taking his blood right after the fight. The testing by the Nevada commission is more than adequate to catch any malefactors according to top rank. But Mayweather is bigger than the commission. Mayweather is bigger than the sport itself. Because his idiot father (Floyd Senior) says Manny is cheating with drugs that justifies everything. They can test Manny at any other time they want to 24/7, They don’t have a problem with that, but not right before the fight. They want to harass him psychologically. The Mayweather's and the Golden Boy Promotion wants Manny Pacquiao "psychologically damage". Taking blood before the fight is like having sex it will make you feel weak. Both side is trying to get the upper hand and trying to hype this fight in my opinion. What is the different of taking blood before and after the fight? For me is the same and there is no different. They can still check if Pacquiao is on something but not before the fight but After the fight. So now the moronic clowns of Nevada are asking Pacquiao to undergo Olympic style drug testing, this simply means that the commission is unreliable. Why don't they just shut it down and bring in the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency there instead. And yeah! All boxers that will fight in Las Vegas should take the test too. Because it is UNRELIABLE. Looks like the Mayweathers know all of this huh? Are they steroid users before? Floyd Mayweather Sr. was imprisoned coz of drugs. In my opinion put Mayweather Sr. as the new commissioner of the sports.
again, Mosley came out clean yet is a known user in the past, urine tests aren't enough
how the hell is it gonna cause any psychological damage? Floyd's gonna get the same testing, and Manny is no stranger to needles anyways, i doubt very much that his tattoos are temporary :rolleyes:
they're making too big of a damn case of this, do the fucking test and stop bitching
Then tell that to the Mayweather's that Manny Pacquiao is willing to give blood test right after the fight and his willing to give urine test too 24/7. What is the different of before and after the fight? Its the same. For Floyd its ok to give blood before the fight. And for Manny its ok to give blood after the fight. Its no big deal. The drug test is the same. Both fighter have unique superstitious. Just respect both fighters and what they do believe in. This is only a psychological war for both. Why they don't respect each other what they believe. Again this is a mind game plan for the Mayweather's. Pac is willing to give Blood test right after the fight. Just agree on it and stop bitching Mayweather's. :rolleyes:
Are you still at it? :rolleyes:
I have already explained to you why Pac's proposal for limited blood testing is flawed. Killersheep has also explained to you how the proposed testing can be manipulated by the cyclical nature of PED's. Random drug testing is the way to remove all doubt and prove the integrity of both fighters.
It's a hugely important fight and everyone wants a clean fight. Mayweather jumps through a few hoops and so does Pac. Nobody is suffering undue stress by adhering to relatively minor requests. Maybe you are the one that needs to quit crying because you are the only one taking the stance that you are. I'm not even a Mayweather fan, nor really a Pac fan either. But I can see the neccessity for random testing. I want it as a fan of boxing. You are being blinded by your devotion to Pacquiao somewhat on this issue.
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Intazz is Xaduboxer. No need to debate with him.
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Intazz is Xaduboxer. No need to debate with him.
Exactly. Just send him some neg. rep and go about your business as usual.
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Preme
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Mattyhitman
Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
interesting how? what has Cotto been unlucky with lol???
magarito beat the shit out of him, even if he did have hand wraps on that wasnt what beat cotto, what beat him was the simple fact that he was to stupid to change his fight, maga took ecerything cotto could throw and cotto as always tired and this time quit, was NOTHING to do with maga's hands at all lol whata fucking joke to bring that up.
and as for pac, again cotto couldn't change or been focused enough to win that fight. when he boxed he was winning, but he tried ot tade and was to slow, didn't learn from it and got fucked up
unlcuky my ass, fucking lucky is more like it he got to where he is now be fighitng and getting a rep from beating overrated fighter... look ad paulie, people give him props and an ok hatton beat the shit out of him... torres give him hell and he is fuck all...
his only good win was against shane and shane was screwed for stamina after a few rounds (a fight i thought was a draw anyhow)
http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/u...gonna-hate.gif
;D
That gif sure caught on fast.
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^Hehe, yeh I like it. Promise I'll only use it for the most obviously mindless, bias, hate-filled posts though :)
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^Hehe, yeh I like it. Promise I'll only use it for the most obviously mindless, bias, hate-filled posts though :)
I first saw it on a NHL (hockey) forum and posted it in a Calzaghe thread, but it's popped up several times since then.
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Preme
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Interesting post bud ;)
As a Pac fan i would be gutted and hugely disappionted if this were the case, but on the other hand it may help explain his demolition of Hatton :o
As for Cotto, would this help his mental state to climb back through the ropes for another tilt at a title if it were proved to be the case :confused:
interesting how? what has Cotto been unlucky with lol???
magarito beat the shit out of him, even if he did have hand wraps on that wasnt what beat cotto, what beat him was the simple fact that he was to stupid to change his fight, maga took ecerything cotto could throw and cotto as always tired and this time quit, was NOTHING to do with maga's hands at all lol whata fucking joke to bring that up.
and as for pac, again cotto couldn't change or been focused enough to win that fight. when he boxed he was winning, but he tried ot tade and was to slow, didn't learn from it and got fucked up
unlcuky my ass, fucking lucky is more like it he got to where he is now be fighitng and getting a rep from beating overrated fighter... look ad paulie, people give him props and an ok hatton beat the shit out of him... torres give him hell and he is fuck all...
his only good win was against shane and shane was screwed for stamina after a few rounds (a fight i thought was a draw anyhow)
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yeah like the way you're hating on Pac. :rolleyes:
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Re: Miguel Cotto - Unluckiest fighter in history?
Cotto is unlucky that he wasn't born an elite fighter like Pac and Sugar Shane.
Against Mosely was by far he best performance and he didn't put Mosely away (it was a close affair). Hell a Margarito that destroyed Cotto --was then destroyed by Sugar Shane (I'm not sure Sugar Shane was hit in that fight).
Actually Cotto has been very lucky in that he has gotten alot of chances to prove himself and failed. First it was at 140 he was weight drained (his stamina issues are still present), then it was Margaritos fault (which wasn't ever proved), to getting his ass whipped by a "juicing" Pac man. Give me a break. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to he was the lesser man.
He wears his pants low to arouse all his fans. :-\ And it works because they are delusional about his abilities and his great personality.
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Re: Miguel Cotto - Unluckiest fighter in history?
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boozeboxer
Cotto is unlucky that he wasn't born an elite fighter like Pac and Sugar Shane.
Against Mosely was by far he best performance and he didn't put Mosely away (it was a close affair). Hell a Margarito that destroyed Cotto --was then destroyed by Sugar Shane (I'm not sure Sugar Shane was hit in that fight).
Actually Cotto has been very lucky in that he has gotten alot of chances to prove himself and failed. First it was at 140 he was weight drained (his stamina issues are still present), then it was Margaritos fault (which wasn't ever proved), to getting his ass whipped by a "juicing" Pac man. Give me a break. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to he was the lesser man.
He wears his pants low to arouse all his fans. :-\ And it works because they are delusional about his abilities and his great personality.
who ever has.... shane is an elite fighter, he hasnt been stopped against bigger men at 154lb, so cotto shouldnt be expected to
and for the margarito thing
first off, the cotto fight may have took a lot out of him, i dont care how you wanna look at it he took a lot of hard flush shots that fight that have to have an effect somewere down the line
and styles make fights ... triangle theorys dont work as proved dozens of times... 3 times by mosley himself infact
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Re: Miguel Cotto - Unluckiest fighter in history?
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hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Cotto is unlucky that he wasn't born an elite fighter like Pac and Sugar Shane.
Against Mosely was by far he best performance and he didn't put Mosely away (it was a close affair). Hell a Margarito that destroyed Cotto --was then destroyed by Sugar Shane (I'm not sure Sugar Shane was hit in that fight).
Actually Cotto has been very lucky in that he has gotten alot of chances to prove himself and failed. First it was at 140 he was weight drained (his stamina issues are still present), then it was Margaritos fault (which wasn't ever proved), to getting his ass whipped by a "juicing" Pac man. Give me a break. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to he was the lesser man.
He wears his pants low to arouse all his fans. :-\ And it works because they are delusional about his abilities and his great personality.
who ever has.... shane is an elite fighter, he hasnt been stopped against bigger men at 154lb, so cotto shouldnt be expected to
and for the margarito thing
first off, the cotto fight may have took a lot out of him, i dont care how you wanna look at it he took a lot of hard flush shots that fight that have to have an effect somewere down the line
and styles make fights ... triangle theorys dont work as proved dozens of times... 3 times by mosley himself infact
He still isn't elite. Triangle theory or not. He lost the Margarito fight because he did the Hatton/Cobb defense (catching shots with his face).
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Re: Miguel Cotto - Unluckiest fighter in history?
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Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Cotto is unlucky that he wasn't born an elite fighter like Pac and Sugar Shane.
Against Mosely was by far he best performance and he didn't put Mosely away (it was a close affair). Hell a Margarito that destroyed Cotto --was then destroyed by Sugar Shane (I'm not sure Sugar Shane was hit in that fight).
Actually Cotto has been very lucky in that he has gotten alot of chances to prove himself and failed. First it was at 140 he was weight drained (his stamina issues are still present), then it was Margaritos fault (which wasn't ever proved), to getting his ass whipped by a "juicing" Pac man. Give me a break. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to he was the lesser man.
He wears his pants low to arouse all his fans. :-\ And it works because they are delusional about his abilities and his great personality.
who ever has.... shane is an elite fighter, he hasnt been stopped against bigger men at 154lb, so cotto shouldnt be expected to
and for the margarito thing
first off, the cotto fight may have took a lot out of him, i dont care how you wanna look at it he took a lot of hard flush shots that fight that have to have an effect somewere down the line
and styles make fights ... triangle theorys dont work as proved dozens of times... 3 times by mosley himself infact
He still isn't elite. Triangle theory or not. He lost the Margarito fight because he did the Hatton/Cobb defense (catching shots with his face).
i dont remember margarito landing anything really meaningful till around the 5th,6th round when cotto started to tire.... if you call this defending with his face.... i guess pernell whitakers defence is just average right ?