Olympic Drug Testing: Has This Been Required In A Championship Fight?

I honestly and personally don't know of anything like this being required in a professional championship fight.

Has this been done in the history of boxing?To anyone knowledgeable enough, please enlighten me and all other boxing fans coz I'm really on the belief that Mayweather is doing this to avoid Pac.

Mayweather has a history of avoiding big punchers and he might be doing this to avoid being KOed in the biggest fight of his career.

The answer is NO. It's never been required in pro regular or pro championship bout.

Pac will eventually agree to the test, he'll fly to New York for Pac-May promotion on the second week of january, fly back to Manila in the same week, start training, and Fagweather will get KTFO on March 13.

Enough with the circus bullshit. For $40M, I'll fight both Klitcshkos at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

The answer is NO. It's never been required in pro regular or pro championship bout.

Pac will eventually agree to the test, he'll fly to New York for Pac-May promotion on the second week of january, fly back to Manila in the same week, start training, and Fagweather will get KTFO on March 13.

Enough with the circus bullshit. For $40M, I'll fight both Klitcshkos at the same time.

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LOL. Same old story again for us pacstraight. We've been here for years already trying to defend our boys from the haters.

If no one can tell me a fight in which an Olympic drug testing was required, then it's clear that gayweather is afraid of the Pac.

Haters will be silenced soon when pac agrees to it and Mayweather will be making some excuses again.

Please show me a time when a fighter was gonna be fined 10 million dollars per pound if they came in overweight. If u cant then i will say Pac is avoiding PBF and is scared.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Please show me a time when a fighter was gonna be fined 10 million dollars per pound if they came in overweight. If u cant then i will say Pac is avoiding PBF and is scared.

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okay but before I do it, let me ask you if you know about time value of money.

if you don't know anything about it, please come to my finance class and I'll be glad to teach you about time value of money and tell you about boxing fines.:cool:

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Originally Posted by eagle

Please show me a time when a fighter was gonna be fined 10 million dollars per pound if they came in overweight. If u cant then i will say Pac is avoiding PBF and is scared.

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okay but before I do it, let me ask you if you know about time value of money.

if you don't know anything about it, please come to my finance class and I'll be glad to teach you about time value of money and tell you about boxing fines.:cool:

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Well go ahead explain it now. Or are u trying desperately to get out of a corner you have backed yourself into? I'll admit no fighter has had to adhere to olympic drug testing before a world title fight as far as im aware. Now answer the question i asked you.....

I guess Pacquiao is right.

2008 April 22 | Steroid Report ... ping-case/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueUboKH ... r_embedded

USADA has proven wrong before. They're not that accurate after all. Team Mayweather's idea could create more issues. It's just their pathetic way to distract Pacquiao.

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I guess Pacquiao is right.

2008 April 22 | Steroid Report ... ping-case/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueUboKH ... r_embedded

USADA has proven wrong before. They're not that accurate after all. Team Mayweather's idea could create more issues. It's just their pathetic way to distract Pacquiao.

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Potentially giving up 40 million dollars cos your a bit scared of a little blood test is truly pathetic and complete bullshit. What a crock of shit.

It hasn't been done before, but there is no good reason why it shouldn't be introduced. Admittedly, it shouldn't be on Mayweathers shoulder to introduce changes and shoudl be down to the commisions. But having said that, I don't think anybody has a problem with wanting comprehensive checks on boxers.

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Originally Posted by The Congressman

I guess Pacquiao is right.

2008 April 22 | Steroid Report ... ping-case/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueUboKH ... r_embedded

USADA has proven wrong before. They're not that accurate after all. Team Mayweather's idea could create more issues. It's just their pathetic way to distract Pacquiao.

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Potentially giving up 40 million dollars cos your a bit scared of a little blood test is truly pathetic and complete bullshit. What a crock of shit.

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Pac can easily earn that money for a couple of fights. i.e. JMM and Mosely and doesn't have to deal with bitching and all kinds of rediculous whinning demands.

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Originally Posted by miles

It hasn't been done before, but there is no good reason why it shouldn't be introduced. Admittedly, it shouldn't be on Mayweathers shoulder to introduce changes and shoudl be down to the commisions. But having said that, I don't think anybody has a problem with wanting comprehensive checks on boxers.

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Or better yet...

They should exhume all dead top 10 ATG, get DNA samples and test 'em for drug. Or all their greatness will be in question. How's that sounds?

Don't waste your time Pac fans. Abuser MOD CFH will moved this to SPAM. Without any reasons.;D Please take a look in the SPAM thread. CFH:-X

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It hasn't been done before, but there is no good reason why it shouldn't be introduced. Admittedly, it shouldn't be on Mayweathers shoulder to introduce changes and shoudl be down to the commisions. But having said that, I don't think anybody has a problem with wanting comprehensive checks on boxers.

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Or better yet...

They should exhume all dead top 10 ATG, get DNA samples and test 'em for drug. Or all their greatness will be in question. How's that sounds?

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No, that's a bit much. All Manny has to do is give a few random drops of blood here. It isn't any reason for him to get so defensive. He does it and we have a fight. He doesn't and he looks bad. If he really wanted the fight then he would just agree. Floyd agreed to the weight penalty easily enough, but Pac refuses a blood test kicking and screaming. It's a bit sad really.

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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It hasn't been done before, but there is no good reason why it shouldn't be introduced. Admittedly, it shouldn't be on Mayweathers shoulder to introduce changes and shoudl be down to the commisions. But having said that, I don't think anybody has a problem with wanting comprehensive checks on boxers.

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Or better yet...

They should exhume all dead top 10 ATG, get DNA samples and test 'em for drug. Or all their greatness will be in question. How's that sounds?

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No, that's a bit much. All Manny has to do is give a few random drops of blood here. It isn't any reason for him to get so defensive. He does it and we have a fight. He doesn't and he looks bad. If he really wanted the fight then he would just agree. Floyd agreed to the weight penalty easily enough, but Pac refuses a blood test kicking and screaming. It's a bit sad really.

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It's not just a "random drops". Floyd was an olympian. He experienced it before and more familiar with it. It's something new for team pacquiao, and it will surely distract their camp. And btw, Pac is pretty f-ing far from kicking and screaming regarding the issue.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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He agreed to terms that would nullify the usefulness of the test. As covered by numerous external articles, people on this site with reason. If there is a blaring loophole in the system it has become a show NOT a drug screen. So I stand by my statement.

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Originally Posted by The Congressman

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Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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He agreed to terms that would nullify the usefulness of the test. As covered by numerous external articles, people on this site with reason. If there is a blaring loophole in the system it has become a show NOT a drug screen. So I stand by my statement.

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Ofcourse YOU do.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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The statement is still true. Pac is refusing to fight because of a drug test. A thorough drug test that requires 5 blood tests and 12 urine tests. Oh poor little Manny doesnt like needles:(. Might have a little cry..... If thousands of olympians can do it so can Manny.

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Originally Posted by The Congressman

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Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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The statement is still true. Pac is refusing to fight because of a drug test. A thorough drug test that requires 5 blood tests and 12 urine tests. Oh poor little Manny doesnt like needles:(. Might have a little cry..... If thousands of olympians can do it so can Manny.

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But then again. How many pro-boxers underwent that test?

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You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

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The statement is still true. Pac is refusing to fight because of a drug test. A thorough drug test that requires 5 blood tests and 12 urine tests. Oh poor little Manny doesnt like needles:(. Might have a little cry..... If thousands of olympians can do it so can Manny.

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But then again. How many pro-boxers underwent that test?

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Well PBF will gladly. So would 99.9% of boxers if they were able to make 40 million for a fight.
How many boxers would knock back 40 million due to a blood test?

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Originally Posted by eagle

The statement is still true. Pac is refusing to fight because of a drug test. A thorough drug test that requires 5 blood tests and 12 urine tests. Oh poor little Manny doesnt like needles:(. Might have a little cry..... If thousands of olympians can do it so can Manny.

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But then again. How many pro-boxers underwent that test?

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Well PBF will gladly. So would 99.9% of boxers if they were able to make 40 million for a fight.
How many boxers would knock back 40 million due to a blood test?

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How surely are you that PBF will gladly take the test? How do you know that it is only one of his bluff? I suspect that Floyd will come up with another issue after Pac agrees with the test (glove and weight).

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But then again. How many pro-boxers underwent that test?

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Well PBF will gladly. So would 99.9% of boxers if they were able to make 40 million for a fight.
How many boxers would knock back 40 million due to a blood test?

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How surely are you that PBF will gladly take the test? How do you know that it is only one of his bluff? I suspect that Floyd will come up with another issue after Pac agrees with the test (glove and weight).

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Re read the article i posted before it has PBF confirming he will take the tests. Also in other reports it suggests everything has been settled and agreed to except for the blood test. Keep grasping at straws retard.

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But then again. How many pro-boxers underwent that test?

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Well PBF will gladly. So would 99.9% of boxers if they were able to make 40 million for a fight.
How many boxers would knock back 40 million due to a blood test?

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How surely are you that PBF will gladly take the test? How do you know that it is only one of his bluff? I suspect that Floyd will come up with another issue after Pac agrees with the test (glove and weight).

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that is just you speculating. Yes pbf has agreed to take the test as a matter of fact mayweathers terms require him to do so

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I honestly and personally don't know of anything like this being required in a professional championship fight.

Has this been done in the history of boxing?To anyone knowledgeable enough, please enlighten me and all other boxing fans coz I'm really on the belief that Mayweather is doing this to avoid Pac.

Mayweather has a history of avoiding big punchers and he might be doing this to avoid being KOed in the biggest fight of his career.

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No stupid. It hasn't. Why you think Pacquiao has had the success he's had? Fukking idiot. Really what so hard to understand that he's avoiding the tests cuz he knows he's dirty? It's one thing if it was just him taking the tests. Than yeah that is clearly unreasonable. But that is not the case. Mayweather will also be taking the same amount of tests. So what's the fukking problem?

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Please show me a time when a fighter was gonna be fined 10 million dollars per pound if they came in overweight. If u cant then i will say Pac is avoiding PBF and is scared.

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okay but before I do it, let me ask you if you know about time value of money.

if you don't know anything about it, please come to my finance class and I'll be glad to teach you about time value of money and tell you about boxing fines.:cool:

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GTFO

inflation isnt that high, im pretty sure the fine for DLH against pac was $3 mil per pound..... dont try and tell me we have had inflation of 300% + since then

and the tests have never been required before, also 8oz gloves werent used at 147 in nevada before cotto-margarito..... pac wouldnt do without them now.... its called progression, we used to have fights that went on for 30+ rounds, then 15, now 12, times change, this is something that should have been bought in long ago

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Originally Posted by eagle

Please show me a time when a fighter was gonna be fined 10 million dollars per pound if they came in overweight. If u cant then i will say Pac is avoiding PBF and is scared.

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okay but before I do it, let me ask you if you know about time value of money.

if you don't know anything about it, please come to my finance class and I'll be glad to teach you about time value of money and tell you about boxing fines.:cool:

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GTFO

inflation isnt that high, im pretty sure the fine for DLH against pac was $3 mil per pound..... dont try and tell me we have had inflation of 300% + since then

and the tests have never been required before, also 8oz gloves werent used at 147 in nevada before cotto-margarito..... pac wouldnt do without them now.... its called progression, we used to have fights that went on for 30+ rounds, then 15, now 12, times change, this is something that should have been bought in long ago

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For your information, inflation rate is not the only rate used to calculate the present value factor.

inflation is only one of the factors used in the calculation of interest rate. Beside the interest rate, one should also consider MATERIALITY in deciding how much fines to exact.

That's an accounting term which I would like to expound if you would come to my class.LOL.;D;D;D;D;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

okay but before I do it, let me ask you if you know about time value of money.

if you don't know anything about it, please come to my finance class and I'll be glad to teach you about time value of money and tell you about boxing fines.:cool:

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GTFO

inflation isnt that high, im pretty sure the fine for DLH against pac was $3 mil per pound..... dont try and tell me we have had inflation of 300% + since then

and the tests have never been required before, also 8oz gloves werent used at 147 in nevada before cotto-margarito..... pac wouldnt do without them now.... its called progression, we used to have fights that went on for 30+ rounds, then 15, now 12, times change, this is something that should have been bought in long ago

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For your information, inflation rate is not the only rate used to calculate the present value factor.

inflation is only one of the factors used in the calculation of interest rate. Beside the interest rate, one should also consider MATERIALITY in deciding how much fines to exact.

That's an accounting term which I would like to expound if you would come to my class.LOL.;D;D;D;D;D

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plays a very small part

put it this way you dont go from $3 mil to 10 in the space of 12-18 months with that value of funds being the same

simply put roach wants to give the most advantages possible, from what i can see all floyds team are really asking for is to guarentee its a fair fight

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I honestly and personally don't know of anything like this being required in a professional championship fight.

Has this been done in the history of boxing?To anyone knowledgeable enough, please enlighten me and all other boxing fans coz I'm really on the belief that Mayweather is doing this to avoid Pac.

Mayweather has a history of avoiding big punchers and he might be doing this to avoid being KOed in the biggest fight of his career.

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No stupid. It hasn't. Why you think Pacquiao has had the success he's had? Fukking idiot. Really what so hard to understand that he's avoiding the tests cuz he knows he's dirty? It's one thing if it was just him taking the tests. Than yeah that is clearly unreasonable. But that is not the case. Mayweather will also be taking the same amount of tests. So what's the fukking problem?

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No problem forum idiot. Wait till the negotiation ends. Let's see who's going to make more excuses when Pac accepts their terms.:-X

If I am to decide on this, i'd say to Pac: CANCEL this fight if Mayweather doesn't sign the contract by second week of January.

These negotiations make me crazy.

I shouldn't be opening my account in this forum until the negotiation is finished.;D;D;D

Anyway, i'll try to cool my head and agree with everybody else here that Pac should take the random drug testing.

Of course, he should make more crazy demands on Mayweather like $15 million dollar per excess pound and Mayweather should not weigh more than 150lbs on fight night.

This is the only way to win this negotiation. Agree with the opponent's demands no matter how ludicrous they are and make more ludicrous demands.

I hope the team pacquaio is reading my posts here.

I'm giving you free advice TEAM PACQUAIO. Hope you're reading this.

By the way, you don't need to sue the two Gayweathers. Just make more ludicrous demands and that would be a sweeter retaliation.:cool:

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These negotiations make me crazy.

I shouldn't be opening my account in this forum until the negotiation is finished.;D;D;D

Anyway, i'll try to cool my head and agree with everybody else here that Pac should take the random drug testing.

Of course, he should make more crazy demands on Mayweather like $15 million dollar per excess pound and Mayweather should not weigh more than 150lbs on fight night.

This is the only way to win this negotiation. Agree with the opponent's demands no matter how ludicrous they are and make more ludicrous demands.

I hope the team pacquaio is reading my posts here.

I'm giving you free advice TEAM PACQUAIO. Hope you're reading this.

By the way, you don't need to sue the two Gayweathers. Just make more ludicrous demands and that would be a sweeter retaliation.:cool:

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and make sure the fight doesnt happen ? it seems that you dont care bout the fight happening you just want pac to get his own way

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GTFO

inflation isnt that high, im pretty sure the fine for DLH against pac was $3 mil per pound..... dont try and tell me we have had inflation of 300% + since then

and the tests have never been required before, also 8oz gloves werent used at 147 in nevada before cotto-margarito..... pac wouldnt do without them now.... its called progression, we used to have fights that went on for 30+ rounds, then 15, now 12, times change, this is something that should have been bought in long ago

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For your information, inflation rate is not the only rate used to calculate the present value factor.

inflation is only one of the factors used in the calculation of interest rate. Beside the interest rate, one should also consider MATERIALITY in deciding how much fines to exact.

That's an accounting term which I would like to expound if you would come to my class.LOL.;D;D;D;D;D

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plays a very small part

put it this way you dont go from $3 mil to 10 in the space of 12-18 months with that value of funds being the same

simply put roach wants to give the most advantages possible, from what i can see all floyds team are really asking for is to guarentee its a fair fight

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It should go as high as that when you include the risk premium and the defamation factor in computing the interest rate.LOL.

Materiality wise, we're talking of around $300-$400 million revenues here. $10 million is just appropriate as a fine. Mayweather accepted it and that means it's acceptable.

just demand that the gayweathers change their ugly faces

but sue the hell out of them just the same!

they're trying to win the war without firing bullets, just by blabbering. THEY HAVE NO PROOF JUST BASELESS ALLEGATIONS

EXISTING BOXING RULES APPLY. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR OLYMPIC-STYLE BLOODTESTING, IT MUST COVER ALL FIGHTS.

gbh dlh etal are hypocrites!

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Originally Posted by brucelee

These negotiations make me crazy.

I shouldn't be opening my account in this forum until the negotiation is finished.;D;D;D

Anyway, i'll try to cool my head and agree with everybody else here that Pac should take the random drug testing.

Of course, he should make more crazy demands on Mayweather like $15 million dollar per excess pound and Mayweather should not weigh more than 150lbs on fight night.

This is the only way to win this negotiation. Agree with the opponent's demands no matter how ludicrous they are and make more ludicrous demands.

I hope the team pacquaio is reading my posts here.

I'm giving you free advice TEAM PACQUAIO. Hope you're reading this.

By the way, you don't need to sue the two Gayweathers. Just make more ludicrous demands and that would be a sweeter retaliation.:cool:

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and make sure the fight doesnt happen ? it seems that you dont care bout the fight happening you just want pac to get his own way

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I assure you Donny that I'm dying to see this fight happen as much as you do. This is probably Pac's last fight and I would love to see him win in the negotiations as much as I would love to see him win in the ring.

As a true Pac fan, I would do whatever it takes for him to get all the advantage in the ring and in the sharing of the spoils.:cool: EVen debate in this forum.;D;D;D


You're a boxer Donny and you know that for you to win, you must have all the necessary advantages on your favor.

We shouldn't be fast on judging fighters while the negotiation is still on.

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind. ;D

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

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just demand that the gayweathers change their ugly faces

but sue the hell out of them just the same!

they're trying to win the war without firing bullets, just by blabbering. THEY HAVE NO PROOF JUST BASELESS ALLEGATIONS

EXISTING BOXING RULES APPLY. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR OLYMPIC-STYLE BLOODTESTING, IT MUST COVER ALL FIGHTS.

gbh dlh etal are hypocrites!

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I will agree that this should set a precedent for all high level fights. To argue for testing in every single pro fight is perhaps a bit much, but above a certain point it is probably quite justified.

I fear that the courts are probably not the best way to solve this issue though.

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Originally Posted by miles

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind. ;D

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

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I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.;D

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum. ;D



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

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Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind. ;D

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

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I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.;D

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum. ;D



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

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You are raving, utterly raving. ;)

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

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Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind. ;D

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

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I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.;D

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum. ;D



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

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You are raving, utterly raving. ;)

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

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So did Maywether really agree on the 10 million dollar fine? As far as I know Gayweather hasn't signed any contract to that effect.

Please elucidate me on this matter. For the moment I hope you understand that Mayweather is trying to evade Pac by making that ludicrous demand.

I fully understand what you mean Miles. From a hater's standpoint, I can understand you very well.

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I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.;D

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum. ;D



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

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You are raving, utterly raving. ;)

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

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So did Maywether really agree on the 10 million dollar fine? As far as I know Gayweather hasn't signed any contract to that effect.

Please elucidate me on this matter. For the moment I hope you understand that Mayweather is trying to evade Pac by making that ludicrous demand.

I fully understand what you mean Miles. From a hater's standpoint, I can understand you very well.

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Mayweather has agreed to all of Manny's demands and there is nothing ludicrous in a comprehensive drug test. If Manny agrees then it means we have a fair fight. A good thing, no? His refusal, as I keep saying is where the problem is.

As for your last point, well I will choose to ignore it. It is christmas after all.