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great article from victor conte the former head of BALCO, iv mentioned EPO in a few of my posts and it seems he agrees that this a big possibility with pac and explains a little on how the tests can be decieved if the fighters knows when they are set for
Good article, although the link is down. Here's the article:
Conte Weighs In
Does boxing have their own banned substance list or do they just follow the World Anti-Doping Agency list? If it's the latter, doesn't that throw into question the results of all pro boxing matches in recent history?
well i think its slightly different with different commisions and what not, i did read somewere that apparently it is very confusing as to what is legal and what isnt ,also there is no doubt stuff that was ok to use 10 years ago but now isntQuote:
Originally Posted by sky_set_fire
Very good job of Conte simplifying this. The problem is that most of boxing and other sports are very ignorant to how easy announced testing is to beat. And how worthless urine tests are. Even Timothy Bradley thinks the urine tests, which aren't even random at that, that boxing commission do are proving cleanliness of drugs. Considering what team Pac is saying and requesting with the tests it makes Pac sound like an educated steroid user.
the bradley thing makes me slightly suspiscious, i cant understand why one fighter would give the benefit of the doubt to another considering the nature of the sport,Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
bradley used to be an amatuer bodybuilder prior to becoming a pro boxer, surley he would be at least a little clued up on this
Blood test at random might mean they mmay take pac's blood 2 days before the actual weigh in weakening him somewhat. This allegations started when dopehead sr. started this and every jealous motherfucker rode the tide. Believe then, as it was easy for you people to believe in the lochness monster. Pac was tested with urine tests before, he was negative. So is a lot of great fighters out there. Why don't they test jmm too, coz he came from 122 before but ko'ed juan diaz at 135, something that suico or katsidis failed to do?
JMM is twice the fighter of either of those two.... also the weight isnt the issue, JMM slowed down as he has moved up in weight, pac doesnt seem to have done soQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
and a blood test 2 days before? they are not taking a gallon of blood, only a syringe full for a test... the human body is more than capable of replacing that within 24 hours
Still could weaken you to the actual fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonJMM is twice the fighter of either of those two.... also the weight isnt the issue, JMM slowed down as he has moved up in weight, pac doesnt seem to have done soQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
and a blood test 2 days before? they are not taking a gallon of blood, only a syringe full for a test... the human body is more than capable of replacing that within 24 hours
have you ever had a blood test? It's not an arm full. ;D
Random should mean random.
if you were an aneamic child maybe, not a fit healthy grown adult
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Originally Posted by mad_takamuraStill could weaken you to the actual fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonJMM is twice the fighter of either of those two.... also the weight isnt the issue, JMM slowed down as he has moved up in weight, pac doesnt seem to have done soQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
and a blood test 2 days before? they are not taking a gallon of blood, only a syringe full for a test... the human body is more than capable of replacing that within 24 hours
and women bleed every month, deal with it pac, quit bitching and dish up the red, you pussy ;D
Not only a fit, healthy, grown man but an ELITE ATHLETE in peak physical condition... are people honestly telling me that even being genetically and physically superior to 99% of us out there and having his own team of dedicated nutritionists and sports scientists that he can't give a tiny ammount of blood and cope with it? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Is that why Pac is so aggressive and vicious? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraStill could weaken you to the actual fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
and women bleed every month, deal with it pac, quit bitching and dish up the red, you pussy ;D
It would be an interesting turn in events now wouldn't it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIs that why Pac is so aggressive and vicious? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
and women bleed every month, deal with it pac, quit bitching and dish up the red, you pussy ;D
As nothing else is yet to be proven, don't believe on this shitty hype brought by crackhead predator sr. All of you would just make fools out of yourselves, believe me. Pac was proven negative before so why doubt him? Why do all of you easily buy a crack head's tale? He might be in some induced state when he said this.
why dismiss it totally?
I don't. But why some of you believe it totally?
an expert in this field has said that the current testing methods used are inadequete so the face he hasnt tested positive yet proves very little
also using childish names like crackhead predator sr reflects worse on you than it does on him
Then call me takamarijuana toker if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
ill pass..... im not a child as you seem to be
Lots of athletes have passed tests before and later been caught...Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
Do you have any idea how easy it is to mask or cycle PED if you know the tests and dates for them?
Just because he has passed a test before it doesn't prove a thing.
That being said, Pac is innocent until proven guilty... but I don't see how even a fanboy such as your self cannot cast suspicion on Pac based on how he has dealt with this so far.
Ok old fart. But don't worry i won't call you a hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by mad_takamuraOk old fart. But don't worry i won't call you a hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
im 20... i just dont act like i am half that by refering to people who have achieved alot more than either of us by stupid names, so try again
and give me an example of what i have been hypocritcal about
That's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBLots of athletes have passed tests before and later been caught...Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
Do you have any idea how easy it is to mask or cycle PED if you know the tests and dates for them?
Just because he has passed a test before it doesn't prove a thing.
That being said, Pac is innocent until proven guilty... but I don't see how even a fanboy such as your self cannot cast suspicion on Pac based on how he has dealt with this so far.
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?
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Originally Posted by mad_takamuraThat's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBLots of athletes have passed tests before and later been caught...Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
Do you have any idea how easy it is to mask or cycle PED if you know the tests and dates for them?
Just because he has passed a test before it doesn't prove a thing.
That being said, Pac is innocent until proven guilty... but I don't see how even a fanboy such as your self cannot cast suspicion on Pac based on how he has dealt with this so far.
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?
Because of the reasons on all 19 threads which you choose to ignore about the inconclusiveness of urine testing.
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Originally Posted by mad_takamuraThat's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBLots of athletes have passed tests before and later been caught...Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
Do you have any idea how easy it is to mask or cycle PED if you know the tests and dates for them?
Just because he has passed a test before it doesn't prove a thing.
That being said, Pac is innocent until proven guilty... but I don't see how even a fanboy such as your self cannot cast suspicion on Pac based on how he has dealt with this so far.
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?
The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.
He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.
The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.
If urine tests is inconclusive then everyone should have a blood test do you agree? On all mdivisions. Not just pbf or Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraThat's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?
The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.
He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.
The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.
Now we're talkin, how about starting with PBF/Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraIf urine tests is inconclusive then everyone should have a blood test do you agree? On all mdivisions. Not just pbf or Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.
He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.
The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.
Imo pac will eventually agree in a couple of days. This will surely be a blow to the haters out there and they know who the fuck they are. $40M is something pac won't turn down. This is just dramatizing the hype and as a form of psy war to make the pbf camp believe pac is in to something.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepNow we're talkin, how about starting with PBF/Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraIf urine tests is inconclusive then everyone should have a blood test do you agree? On all mdivisions. Not just pbf or Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by mad_takamura
He is acting guilty and suspicious is why;)
I think either Pacquiaos team come to their senses and agree or Pacquiao is about to become One of the biggest sporting scandals ever and a national embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
If they agree, that doesnt prove that Pacquiao has been clean, it just means they had no choice, they couldnt run anymore and had to bite the bullet.
People who know more than me, if he has been taking EPO or something else, and he agrees and stays clean for the entire camp, will he come in lighter than usual? Or look smaller, surely he wouldnt have the staying power to deal with Floyds extra strength in the later rounds.
I'm a pacfan but i have said a lot of times that pac might lose to pbf. It's because i don't see that steroid issue being a factor, but i see that it's going to be the skills as a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI think either Pacquiaos team come to their senses and agree or Pacquiao is about to become One of the biggest sporting scandals ever and a national embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
If they agree, that doesnt prove that Pacquiao has been clean, it just means they had no choice, they couldnt run anymore and had to bite the bullet.
People who know more than me, if he has been taking EPO or something else, and he agrees and stays clean for the entire camp, will he come in lighter than usual? Or look smaller, surely he wouldnt have the staying power to deal with Floyds extra strength in the later rounds.
As for your last querry, pac would still look the same as his recent fights. I don't believe on that steroid b.s.. It's pure nonsense. If there is doubt i'm sure sooner or later we will know the truth. This is just psywar and dramatizing the hype imo.
I didn't know Bradley use to be an amateur bodybuilder. He looks the role though. Knowing that he is definitely playing ignorant than. I was getting into bodybuilder but I have yet to compete in a show yet. The reason being is that I have found that almost every competitor I know in the bodybuilder field is juicing. Its not even kept very secretive. I have never used any steroid but just about everybody I know in gym does. And the bodybuilders talk about it freely as a foregone conclusion that if you expect to compete then you have to juice. I'm not going to say Bradley was or is on anything but if he was an amateur bodybuilder than he definitely knows urine tests are laughable and prove next to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonthe bradley thing makes me slightly suspiscious, i cant understand why one fighter would give the benefit of the doubt to another considering the nature of the sport,Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
bradley used to be an amatuer bodybuilder prior to becoming a pro boxer, surley he would be at least a little clued up on this
The only body builders who have to be concerned about PEDs or steroids being detected are those who compete in events specifically for 'natural' bodybuilders so I wouldn't have assumed that a bodybuilder would definitely know a GREAT deal about the detection of PEDs.
To answer your question, Pac won't necessarily look any smaller...
If you take juice but don't train or feed yourself to get bigger then you won't. Try to think more of PEDs and steroids than that they just make you 'bigger'.
performance enhancing drugs.
Like you've said, he may fatigue later on if he has used them and stopped, lose some of his explosiveness etc.
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Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraThat's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?
The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.
He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.
The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.
The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".
Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA but to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
waste of a first post.... factQuote:
Originally Posted by KamaoQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.
He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.
The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.
The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".
Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA both to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
FACT OFF. All opinions ain't a waste when you're actually have basis for your opinions. Mother factly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonwaste of a first post.... factQuote:
Originally Posted by KamaoQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".
Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA both to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Now that team pbf is withdrawing that, it means that they can't back up their claims. How many times do i have to say that the fight will move on. Do you think pac is backing up from a 40m payday? As a hater you fucking wish. That's because you label pac as a coward when your balls is'nt even the half of pac's balls. All of you fucking internet warriors are only brave when you're in front of your pc's. Can't be half the man pac is. Now that's a fact.
Hey. don't let your small brain eat you. Everything here is merely an opinion and everything are accompanied by big IF's and What If's. If you say "Waste of a First Post" others and that includes myself will also say that yours are also a waste and a F?cking no-sense. Learn how to look into different perspectives so you will be re-educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonwaste of a first post.... factQuote:
Originally Posted by KamaoQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".
Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA but to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.