Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Hey everybody…it’s Wacko once again…just thought I’d drop in & ring a chime or two on last night’s bout between Valero & Demarco.
Now, I know that there are a shitload of Valero supporters on this site (or there used to be…I haven’t been here in so long that most of you imagine cobwebs flowing outta my ass as I blow all me bwoyo’s “angel’s kiss” ), there were as many rabid Valerites as there were Pacquiao fans…& I just couldn’t really jump on the boat with both feet for fear of it sinking…well…after last night…that ship sailed in a big way. Sadly to say…my heart skipped beats but my mind & feet are in relatively the same place as far as Valero goes.
While, I felt the Showtime crew seemed to lean towards DeMarco initially, I was fairly impressed with Valero throughout the bout & agreed with Bernstein (who is generally dead on the bill with most of his calls) that what I/we had just witnessed was the Venezuelan’s best performance to date…all things considered (that being: cuts & elbow gashes).
That being said, fantastic performance or not, Valero still just doesn’t do it for me. He’s shown better in sparring videos & personally I think that he’s fundamentally flawed in the same ways that Manny Paquiao used to be. He keeps his hands far too low & also takes too much in trade to earn the pay he nets…but dammit…his flaws, the risky trades, are what make boxing exciting.
The facts are simple, last night Valero defended his WBC lightweight title & improved his record to 27-0 with a devastatingly articulate drumming of the WBC interim titlist Antonio Demarco (23-2-1, 17 KOs), & shot himself straight to the top of the “man to beat” list…now the issue is just getting him a few more blast out battles like last night & then some state side shoot outs & we boxing fans have us a new superstar in the making.
Or do we?
In the past I’ve always felt that Valero was a bit one dimensional & that he relied on his power far too much in his bouts. It’s in his sparring sessions that Valero shines. The video’s show it, the sparring partners show it, & the pundits script it…so why not carry it into your stage performance? For years rumors have abounded the mighty “El Dinamita” hadgone toe to toe with, overpowered, & even outboxed the likes of the great Marco Antonio Barrera, Oscar De la Hoya, Erik Morales, & a few 160 pounders who dreaded his speed & power.
What I’ve always had an issue with? Why pull out all the stops in sparring but not carry it not the bouts? Last night Valero brought it all to the table…& ole’ Wacko’s man enough to admit when he’s wrong. Not only did Valero show out…he went toe to toe, boxed his ass off, & outclassed DeMarco last night. which is no easy task. In the first round, I was mortified that the cut on Valero’s cheek was going to be an issue…then comes the battered forehead. Truthfully the gash on his forehead was a show stopper, in Wacko’s humble opinion, but when DeMarco came out fighting with fire…Valero doused the heat immediately & blazed right through Antonio with the calmness of a true veteran.
So why not jump on the boat, right? Because, outside of last night, I’ve seen him fight 12 times now & its always the same issues that worry me as a fight fan…he leaves his hands down, relies on his power too much, & seems to have possible stamina issues rolling down the stretch.
Like I said…last night…totally different Valero…but what happens when Valero meets a Marquez, Pacquiao, or a Mayweather (God forbid) as mentioned on the telecast last night?
Honestly, I’m intrigued…but I hope that he stays in his weight class for a bit & builds up his name before having it torn down by a Marquez, Pacquiao, or a Mayweather…because in the end…with a little more time, self managing, & marketing…Valero could be a little more than a knockout artist…& as spectacular as they are…knockout artistes don’t last long without a backup plan.
Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
I honestly think he is already past the knockout fighter scenario. Sure as I've said he had blazing handspeed last night, but the angles, footwork, and head movement he used last night were all very sophisticated. He also slipped punches very well when he chose to. I would be interested in seeing the compubox numbers for that fight because I know he got tagged a few times, but for the most part I didn't see him get hit that much, and I was really surprised to see a guy so much bigger than him really shy away from fighting him, I was very impressed by Demarco's chin but there is no question about the power that lies within Valero's gloves.
Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Welcome back. I was surprised at how much trouble Demarco seemed to have hitting Valero. He hit him but Valero seemed to do a good job with range. That said nothing has ever jumped out about Demarco to me and the only thing he really did well at times was the right hook and counter jabs.
It was a lot better than I expected though, Valero's performance I mean. I've never thought too much of him but I may have to reconsider some things.
By the way Wacko you should make an honorary appearance in the Lost thread. :cool:
Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Welcome back Wacko!!!
I was impressed also. My biggest problem though is he seems to cut easily. Aside from the elbow, he had 2 cuts within the first 3 rounds and his nose was bleeding before a punch was thrown.
Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Hello Wacko! Like it seems everybody else I was impressed with Valero's boxing skills. I read he's struggling to make 135 now and his next fight will be at 140, he's not going to have the same power that he had at 130 so he's going to need all the skills he's got. Can't wait for his next fight though.
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Dude's a little mint beast. To do what he did especially with such a bad cut, pressure, etc. Nate cambell victor ortiz or guerrero would have quit or been crying like babies after seeing and being hit on that thing. He keeps his hands low but other than that looked great last night.
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I'm not a fan. I do think he has an a pretty wife, although she looks like a 16 year old.
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Valero is a beast. Who's next? Wouldn't a Robert Guerrero fight be a fun one to watch? Or one with Nate Campbell?
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Only seen afew fights of his.Seen highlights of Demaco fight didnt relize he had good hand speed and seems to throw punches from different angles.
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Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Yea don't know where the hell I've been on this guy, have only actually seen snips of him until this fight. Had the wrong impression to say the least, he is very skilled and much more lucid than I seemed to remember him being, extremely impressive performance. That cut was the type that has fights called off very quickly and he just kept working as if nothing had happened, extremely cereberal fighter, great stuff.
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Now here's a good point that needs to be touched on...many people (myself included) had'nt taken notice of his hand speed...but...the thing is...it was'nt there to yet be noticed.
He's fast...always has been...but he has never been that accurate nor has he been as flashy as he was against DeMarco.
Another thing...the focus was there against DeMarco...that was'nt there either. Watch the Mosquero fight...that's only a few fights ago & the difference is staggering.
Like I said...not a fan...don't dig Valero's style...but it is changing...& I have taken notice...that's all I'm saying. He's still got miles of proving ground to travel & some tuff customers all around his class.
I want to see him in against JMM...or even the returning Erik Morales...who I have concerns about...but that's boxing...so we shall see.
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As a fan of Morales (or what he used to be), I would hate to see him offered up as a sacrificial opponent to Valero. He's well past his peak and who knows what he has left.
Marquez would be an interesting fight, he's a great fighter but he doesn't have the most solid chin these days and I really think Valero would have a good chance of stopping him. It would be a great, intriguing fight though.
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I haven't been on that much, but its nice to see you back Wacko. Your one of the few people here that make me want to post on here more. As for Edwin Valero i have to say i was very impressed.
His handspeed was superb, his combinations were superb. And he even showed some good movement at times aswell. I agree he needs to improve his defense, but i think he did show he can avoid punches quite well. But personally i would like him just to tighten up his guard.
Im in the same boat as you Wacko, i've never really been high on Edwin Valero. He reminds me of a very raw Manny Pacquiao although not being as good. And your right he shows more skill in sparring than he does when he fights, the Erik Morales sparring session comes to mind.
But i have to say he looked the real deal vs Antonio DeMarco. And he showed some of the skills he has in sparring. Im not ready yet to jump on the Edwin Valero bandwagon. But if he can show me the same skill he did against Antonio DeMarco. And build on that then im for certain jumping on it, he could be the new Manny Pacquiao.
He fights with the same raw intensity as Manny Pacquiao, and lets be honest here who is gonna be disappointed. About seeing a possibly new Manny Pacquiao ?
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I'm not a fan. I do think he has an a pretty wife, although she looks like a 16 year old.
I dunno bout 16, she looks to be in her early 20's.
And she is a cutie for sure.
Very pretty.
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When was the last time a boxer was so nationalistic?
I mean the guy has the president (ehh dictator) tattooed on his chest. It's one thing to have "Brixton" or "Westside" on your back but having the president of the country in a flag on your chest? It's a little frightening in a bad way.
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When was the last time a boxer was so nationalistic?
I mean the guy has the president (ehh dictator) tattooed on his chest. It's one thing to have "Brixton" or "Westside" on your back but having the president of the country in a flag on your chest? It's a little frightening in a bad way.
Chavez is a mytical figure for a lot of Venezuelans. The country used to be owned by half a dozen families, it was a kleptocracy. Now the people get some of the oil money, electricity, healthcare, education etc. Chavez is democratically elected too.
Back to boxing, I can see Erik Morales fighting Valero or Khan at some point. Probably depends who gets to him first, can't see him continuing after he gets beat the first time. Gary Shaw says he'd even go to Mexico to make Bradley-Valero, that's how confident he is. It'd be a hell of a fight and Arum seems to want it too.
Re: Edwin Valero...BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Completely missed this fight and regret it...I was wrong on all accounts.Sounds as if Valero had some versatility? and showed a nice mix in with young DeMarco.Much congrats on huge win.I still have hope for DeMarco,has some nice skills and is very much developing.Need to see this one.
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Valero is a beast. Who's next? Wouldn't a Robert Guerrero fight be a fun one to watch? Or one with Nate Campbell?
Humberto Sotto.
ARUM should make that happen
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Rantcatrat
When was the last time a boxer was so nationalistic?
I mean the guy has the president (ehh dictator) tattooed on his chest. It's one thing to have "Brixton" or "Westside" on your back but having the president of the country in a flag on your chest? It's a little frightening in a bad way.
Chavez is a mytical figure for a lot of Venezuelans. The country used to be owned by half a dozen families, it was a kleptocracy. Now the people get some of the oil money, electricity, healthcare, education etc. Chavez is democratically elected too.
Back to boxing, I can see Erik Morales fighting Valero or Khan at some point. Probably depends who gets to him first, can't see him continuing after he gets beat the first time. Gary Shaw says he'd even go to Mexico to make Bradley-Valero, that's how confident he is. It'd be a hell of a fight and Arum seems to want it too.
That's all fine and dandy. I wasn't trying to debate the merit of Chavez (that's a whole different conversation, clearly). However, can we can agree that it is one nationalistic tattoo? Are there any other fighters who have a tattoo as nationalistic?
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
When was the last time a boxer was so nationalistic?
I mean the guy has the president (ehh dictator) tattooed on his chest. It's one thing to have "Brixton" or "Westside" on your back but having the president of the country in a flag on your chest? It's a little frightening in a bad way.
Chavez is a mytical figure for a lot of Venezuelans. The country used to be owned by half a dozen families, it was a kleptocracy. Now the people get some of the oil money, electricity, healthcare, education etc. Chavez is democratically elected too.
Back to boxing, I can see Erik Morales fighting Valero or Khan at some point. Probably depends who gets to him first, can't see him continuing after he gets beat the first time. Gary Shaw says he'd even go to Mexico to make Bradley-Valero, that's how confident he is. It'd be a hell of a fight and Arum seems to want it too.
That's all fine and dandy. I wasn't trying to debate the merit of Chavez (that's a whole different conversation, clearly). However, can we can agree that it is one nationalistic tattoo? Are there any other fighters who have a tattoo as nationalistic?
Yep, no two ways about it, you get a giant flag on your chest with the president's mug on it and you've got a nationalistic tat. :)
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Rantcatrat
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Kirkland Laing
Chavez is a mytical figure for a lot of Venezuelans. The country used to be owned by half a dozen families, it was a kleptocracy. Now the people get some of the oil money, electricity, healthcare, education etc. Chavez is democratically elected too.
Back to boxing, I can see Erik Morales fighting Valero or Khan at some point. Probably depends who gets to him first, can't see him continuing after he gets beat the first time. Gary Shaw says he'd even go to Mexico to make Bradley-Valero, that's how confident he is. It'd be a hell of a fight and Arum seems to want it too.
That's all fine and dandy. I wasn't trying to debate the merit of Chavez (that's a whole different conversation, clearly). However, can we can agree that it is one nationalistic tattoo? Are there any other fighters who have a tattoo as nationalistic?
Yep, no two ways about it, you get a giant flag on your chest with the president's mug on it and you've got a nationalistic tat. :)
I sense sarcasm. Maybe tattooing a picture of the president of your country on your chest is not showing national pride. :LMAO:
Nevertheless, I'll change my tone because from your reaction it appears that I've touched a nerve, which wasn't my intention. I was genuinely curious if there were any other fighters that have the president of their country tattooed on their chest?
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Rantcatrat
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Rantcatrat
That's all fine and dandy. I wasn't trying to debate the merit of Chavez (that's a whole different conversation, clearly). However, can we can agree that it is one nationalistic tattoo? Are there any other fighters who have a tattoo as nationalistic?
Yep, no two ways about it, you get a giant flag on your chest with the president's mug on it and you've got a nationalistic tat. :)
I sense sarcasm. Maybe tattooing a picture of the president of your country on your chest is not showing national pride. :LMAO:
Nevertheless, I'll change my tone because from your reaction it appears that I've touched a nerve, which wasn't my intention. I was genuinely curious if there were any other fighters that have the president of their country tattooed on their chest?
No, no sarcasm honestly, I'm agreeing with you. :)
