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I think a Pacquaio win is a foregone conclusion, so I'm basically more interested in how you think the fight will play out. If anyone thinks Clottey will win, I'd love to hear from them as well.
I think Pacquiao is just going to be too fast for Clottey. He'll frustrate him all night with his movement and handspeed and I don't think Clottey will have any answers. I think we'll see a late-round ref/corner stoppage.
This is a hard one...I want to go with the norm and say Manny for the same reasons mentioned...Too much speed and movement but on the other hand..
Clottey has such a good chin and such tight defense...will Manny actually do damage like he did to DLH?...He certainly will not KO him cold like Hatton.....
Clottey is slow but he is well rounded....Manny may tire himself out or Manny might get caught...Clottey is a big WW in terms of how stocky he is...When you think of his career he has never actually been beaten...Sure losses on paper but never beaten up in the ring...
You have a DQ loss to Baldo that Clottey was winning before hand.....He was beating up Margarito until he broke his hands midway through the fight....
IMO the Cotto fight was so close either man could have gotten the decision.....
The key to this is Manny's movement speed and work rate if one of the three is not on point for him he could lose....By Stoppage
I think Clottey may win the first round and maybe the second, while Pac sizes up his power and range. That's all I can really see him getting away with Clottey goes on vacation in the championship rounds, so if it's even close going into the later rounds it's Pac's fight. Clottey needs a KO to take this I don't think his lunging straight rights will connect effectively at all against Pac's superior lateral movement.
As ElTerrible said, it's very telling that there is next to no talk about this fight and it's just coming up this weekend.
Current odds for Pac/Clottey
Any means
Pac: -500 = 1/5
Clottey: +450 = 9/2
Draw: +3300 = 33/1
75% of the members on this site won't participate in this thread now!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Back on topic, I say through attrition he takes Clottey out in the late rounds, I say around round 11. Speed, movement, power, and workrate is in his favor.
Pacquiao by stoppage around the 10th round. Mostly by overwhelming Clottey and taking him out of the fight not necessarily consistently hurting him. Its not just that Pac is too fast and has too much movement but Clottey is all right for Pac's attributes. Clottey is too stationary, waits for his turn to punch, never lets his hands go, and never KOs anyone. Clottey's only reasonable chance is too catch Pac because he is not going to outbox him. To heighten the lucky chance of catching Pac that is going against everything Clottey fights like. Clottey has one real advantage and thats his size. Clottey only uses his size for defense. Against Pac this will turn into a disadvantage as Clottey will only be a bigger stationary target. When Clottey is ready to punch Pac won't be there. Or at least Pac will be slipping, easily catching onto to Clottey's rhythm, and finding openings. The fight will only last long because Clottey does usually cover up very well and thus takes less damage. Pac all day TKO 10.
The fight isn't talked about here but on other boards it's being talked about quite a bit. Plus I just read that the 45,000 seats are almost all sold out and it's expected to, unless Arum and Jones is bullshitting.Promoter Bob Arum expects sellout for Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey fight at Cowboys Stadium - ESPN DallasQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I'll go out on a limb and say this fight does around 850k-900k.
Pacquiao by late TKO. Clottey's low workrate is gonna allow Pac to just swarm him. I think it might be competitive early, but by the mid to late rounds Pac just takes over and I see him forcing a late stoppage.
Pacquiao seems to have all the advantages I can think of: faster, more pop in his punches, can take damage alright, workrate, etc. I can't believe so called "boxing experts" even give Clottey a chance. But hey! Anything to sell the fight, eh? :)
Pac doesn't need to win....clottey does a good enough job of beating himself. Pac's power won't be a huge problem he has a great chin. His speed will be somewhat a prob but not huge, clottey just fought zab and the speed didn't affect him much. The angles won't be what does him in cause clottey spends most of his time completly covered up so where the punches come from won't be that big a deal. Clottey actually has a chance not to win i think, but to make it interesting. But like always he'lll beat himself. Pac by easy Ud.
I see it as a late round stoppage or a UD in Pac's favor. I just don't like the idea of him just standing and taking the punch from his opponent just to assess their power and to find out whether he can take their hit. He might not be lucky the next time he does that.
The only way I see Clottey winning is if Pac becomes complacent and receives a lucky punch from Clottey (very remote since his KO ratio in his last few fights is not that good). Upsets do happen and is always a possibility in any fights.
I checked some other boards and here's what I foundQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThe fight isn't talked about here but on other boards it's being talked about quite a bit. Plus I just read that the 45,000 seats are almost all sold out and it's expected to, unless Arum and Jones is bullshitting.Promoter Bob Arum expects sellout for Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey fight at Cowboys Stadium - ESPN DallasQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I'll go out on a limb and say this fight does around 850k-900k.
East Side:
where is all the excitement for Pac vs. Clottey?.... - East Side Boxing Forum
Max Boxing:
Pac-Clottey Roll Call? - MaxBoxing.com Forums
First Post "Doesnt seem to have the buzz that usually comes with Pac fights."
Phil Boxing:
Pacland's Philippine Boxing Forum • View forum - Pacquiao vs Clottey
Understandably they have a whole section dedicated to this fight.
There are definitely still seats available as well Pacquiao v Clottey tickets Cowboys Stadium Arlington, TX, Directions, seating chart. Official Ticketmaster site.
I guess the dropped they floor seat prices as well because they weren't selling. I do hope it sells out as I always like to see live boxing do well. But it's not looking likely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cxoI9vmDM
Unless the Ghanaian get one of those patented leaping right to connect, or maybe an "unforseen" accidental headbutt, LOL, which either or both can slow or STOP Pac down, I see very slim chance for Josh to win.
Word out of Pac's training camp seem to give credence to the initial Vegas odds favoring the PacMan. More than a few credible wild card inhabitants profess that Manny has never looked better... (see video above from MAX Boxing)
I see a Durable Diaz parallel, only this time now with Pac even more precise with his delivery in inflicting damage. This may possibly cut the number of rounds by a few.
Round 6 till 8 will be it for Clottey. PacMan by stoppage.
That's what I'm thinking too, Pac's movement should allow him to take advantage of the openings the others were not able to do. I think Pac will be stepping to the right a lot and firing straight lefts to get inside of the jousting move Clottey uses to make it work against him (Clottey). The obvious follow up are right hooks to the body while continuing to move to the right to get around the elbows.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
The real question here is wether manny is taking p..........ineapple juice because its supposed to be really good for you ;D! But yeah i see Manny getting a late round KO i dont see Josh putting up as much a fight as Miguel did, after seeing how Clottey acted when Miguel threw him down he just doesnt have the heart.
The first two Pac will move in and out to test Clottey's range and willingness. Clottey will be determined to be more aggressive and not sit back as per what most people expect... maybe catch pac with a shot. at which point Pac will acknowledge by throw his arms up. Pac, unhurt, goes on the attack after that, moving in and out and winning any exchanges by and extra 2 punches. From there on Clottey will settle into his shell despite pleads from his corner. Pacquaio will wear down Clottey aside from a round off here or there. While I think Clottey's conditioning can take him to the end....Somewhere in the later rounds, 10 or 11, the refs seen enough and calls a stop while Pac's flailing away on the Clottey Caccoon. Clottey will protest.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Clottey hurts his hand again in this fight.
Pac by points using his speed and movement, coupled with a slow one paced Clottey with a high guard following Manny in straight lines.
Cotto who had completely nothing left managed to outbox Clottey for two rounds. Pac will be WAY too much for him.
PAC TKO 7
you know what i think clottey will be a bit harder to burn down then some poeple think....the guys tough has a granite chin, plenty of cuts and stamina and awkard......i think manny will win but wouldnt be suprised if thinks turn out upside down
early on a surprisingly very willing joshua clottey manages to trade out the first 4 rounds, through 5-8 pacquaio`s speed really starts to tell and through 9-12 clottey resorts into defense mode and pacquiao takes a comfortable 12round decision
unanimous decision pacquiao, ive got clottey going the whole 12
Clottey is a good fighter who can win fights but he isn't a winner.
You have to be able to win, like in basketball Bill Russel is known as the best WINNER hey may not have been the most talented or strongest or fastest but he knew how to WIN.
Clottey is big strong and very talented and fast and he can win fights but he doesn't know how to win. If he knew how to WIN he would have tried to stop Cotto in the final rounds. Clottey needs to learn how to close the show, if he did then I'd pick him against Pacquiao. But Pacquiao if nothing else knows now to "win" he has someone like Roach in his corner teaching him how to do those kind of things.
And seriously after the first episode of the Road To Dallas the chances for Clottey are slimming and slimming again. Clottey has no trainer, and the trainer he wanted couldn't make it , cause of Visa issues, but rather then try to fix them he just hired his cutman. Sounds familiar...
Anyway this guy claims to know Pacquiao and that he is the same and nothing has changed.
Know what trainer Clottey should have gotten? Dan Birmingham, aka Winky Wright's trainer. He could help him beat someone like Pacquiao with the style he has and would improve his jab, all the kinds of things he needs to go with Pacquiao. But if Clottey thinks he can just improvise a training camp and beat Pacquiao he is sorely mistaken.
Clottey has a height, reach, natural weight advantage, decent power and a good chin. This is the biggest fight of his career.
Pac pulled out of a $50 million dollar super fight with his reputation tainted by drug accusations for this.
It has upset written all over it.
Clottey - TKO.
In the three fights I've seen of Clottey (against Judah, Margarito, and Cotto) I've observed that the leaping right straight seem to be the most effective weapon in his arsenal. It is quite unique and the snappiest of conterpunches, to which style or discipline Josh is quite an accomplished, and Pacquiao the overmatched.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat's what I'm thinking too, Pac's movement should allow him to take advantage of the openings the others were not able to do. I think Pac will be stepping to the right a lot and firing straight lefts to get inside of the jousting move Clottey uses to make it work against him (Clottey). The obvious follow up are right hooks to the body while continuing to move to the right to get around the elbows.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Killersheep, you have noted the hooks to the side that Pac would use after the powershots... Agreed on that one, absolutely.
For Pac's attack to be successful, he needs to somehow bring down Clottey's arms that excellently cover and protect his weak spots. Clottey's extra long arms seem to be naturally designed for this specific purpose...
This is where Manny's body attack will prove quite useful.
Pac's body attack, especially the power shots to the breadbaskets are to this date totally undervalued and even ignored as a Pacquiao weapon of note, yet it is, after the obvious signature ones, that have brought down the likes of Erik, Oscar, Ricky, and Miguel in a manner quite unexpectedly by the same recipients.
Clottey will experience the same as the others, but only this time with a much purposeful intent from Manny. Those arms will stay on protect mode until it falls off from cumulative damage. If and when that happens, Josh will wish to get off from that nightmarish predicament, any which way he can.
If Manny wins by stoppage that would be super impressive. I expect him to win but Clottey is as tough as they come and IMO even a 12th round TKO would be more impressive than his 2nd round KO of Hatton.
Former 106 pounder Pacneedle beats the shit out of giant welterweight Clottey for ten or eleven rounds and becomes the first guy to stop him. We spend next week arguing about performance enhancing drugs.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
come saturday night that`ll make/break my night
not because your right or wrong just that your pretty much the only respected poster on saddos who is backing clottey
im saying pac will win a decision, but if indeed your right, i and the entire forum will be at your mercy...............
;D;D;D
Manny is he commonsense favourite. Even without hormonal aids, which I believe he takes, Manny is still a great fighter and would have probably beaten all the figters he fought and defeated, abeit not so devastatingly.
The decision will depend on which Clottey shows up. If it is the Clottey that fought Corrales and Judah, Manny will be in for a long night. Remember, Manny only recently began demonstrating killer power. I do not believe that he hits harder than Miguel Cotto, Judah, Corrales or Margarito. Clottey is no puncher either, but can make Manny bleed, which is what he will have to do in order to get a win.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You gentlemen must not have read my post. There are a zillion other threads to discuss these matters, but they will not be brought up in this one. Nothing personal, you are welcome to post about PEDs etc. in the previously mentioned threads. Farewell and godspeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJson
Remember when Cotto knocked Clottey down with a jab in first round? Well, Clottey didn't see that punch comin'. He walked right to it. He'll be perfectly timed by Pac. And once Clottey gets rocked, expect the ref to step in for stoppage.
Pac by 8 round TKO.
i think pacquiao will win all rounds due to his speed, angles and workrate until he tkos clottey in the 7th round. he might fight in orthodox stance at some instances in the fight.
Just wonderin how Clottey reacts to the punches from Pac, vice versa seems Pacquiao is not fighting a dehydrated fighter like he did before.
Clottey seems tough and rough, well i just remember the fight with him with the late Diego Corrales and Clottey seems doesn't bother or hurt him either. ;D
Let's hope so. Come on Clottey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hopefully this is stage one in the dismantling of the divas. I've been watching more Clottey interviews this morning and I like the guy, it will be good to see him pull out the win.
Everyone is predicting a Manny win and the arguments are persuasive, but anything can happen in boxing. I want an upset!
I would love to see it happen as well, but Clottey was a very carefully selected opponent. The matchmaking is top notch in order to preserve the Mayweather fight down the line while giving Pacquiao a good win on paper in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesLet's hope so. Come on Clottey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hopefully this is stage one in the dismantling of the divas. I've been watching more Clottey interviews this morning and I like the guy, it will be good to see him pull out the win.
Everyone is predicting a Manny win and the arguments are persuasive, but anything can happen in boxing. I want an upset!
I really don't see why on earth Clottey would be any more fired up for this fight than he was against Cotto? Surely he had to know that fight was the biggest of his career, and possibly his last marquee oppourtunity... And he completely gave the fight away. He let Cotto take the last 2 rounds from him when he was MUCH worse for wear, why? He just doesn't have that higher gear it takes to beat top guys, it would have been lunacy for him to really imagine he had the fight won by the judges..
Pacquiao is way to fast for him, Clottey has no equalizer whatsoever, and he can't begin to match the pace Manny is going to set. I actually expect this to be completely lopsided the more I think about it, Clottey might win a round or two of the first five, then he will just continue to cover up falling further and further behind taking punishment. Maybe Manny stops him maybe not, but he's going to completely run away with it after the mid rounds. It's really dead easy to see why the fight was made when you contrast styles, Manny will be in and out all day and Clottey is going to look like a putz by the end of the fight.
I don't see a James Buster Douglass upset in the making. If Pacquiao can take Cotto's shots like they were nothing, I really don't see him having a problem taking Clottey's shots.
I am never underestimating Pacquiao ever again and I think that he will a strong UD. Although Clottey will physically be the biggest fighter Manny IMO has faced I dont think that he will be able to hurt Manny and he will not be able to handle all of the punch combinations that Manny will unload. I expect another strong performance from manny, and lets hope to god that he faces the winner of Mayweather-Mosley.
I think Clottey's best bet is to get that head ramming at Manny because we all know he doesn't fight as well when dealing with cuts. In the confusion he should try to fight fire with fire and hope that with the disadvantage he can steal enough rounds before the fight is stopped and it goes to the cards.
What am I doing? I am advocating the exact same strategy Amir Khan used against Barrera! :o:-X
Personally I dont think its a foregone conclusion. Clottey is strong hard to hit and fairly consistent in what he does. Thats the key in my opinion. I think Clottey has a chance late. Manny is just too fast and Im sure his plan is to try and box circles around Clottey. This fight could very well turn out to be similar to Winky Wright Shane Mosley if Clottey boxes smart.
Clottey needs to pressure forward with a good defense and consistent jab and be very selective with power shots and combinations early. In the second half of the fight Clottey needs to open up more if he can establish himself.
As for Manny P he needs to box in close angles and avoid mixing it up too much and see what happens if he can find the right opening to stop Clottey. Most likely scenario if Clottey doesnt have any success imposing himself is a fairly easy route to a UD for Manny. If Clottey can get his jab going and keep Manny on his backfoot the fight can get very interesting in the second half when Manny's power and speed will be less of a factor. In other words Clottey needs to reduce Manny back into a lightweight and then really take it to him late.
Been telling everyone who will listen this is by no means a done deal. Clottey is a GENUINE authentic welterweight who will be a good stone heavier and few inches taller than pacquiao come the night of the fight.
I expect pac to dazzle early on and clottey may just have to take an 8count within the 1st 3-4rounds. But if he can weather the storm and get to 8,9,10 there will lie his chance to genuinely hurt pacquiao and by 10-12 manny may just be out on his feet!!
Ive got £50 riding on a pacquiao points win at 13/8
Manny will probably win a fairly one-sided UD. I don't see him stopping Clottey though, his D is too good.
We could always count on the ESPN curse. No not Teddy Atlas.
But whichever boxer they show on their opening sequence when the music plays is gonna lose.
So far the victims have been
Roy Jones Jr(before the 2nd Tarver fight)
Oscar De La Hoya(before the Hopkins fight)
Mike Tyson(before the McBride fight)
And today Manny Pacquiao was on it. So if he loses he'll be the 4th
watch pac get beat by clottey here
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