Pacquiao - Clottey Fight Discussion

[killersheep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cxoI9vmDM

Unless the Ghanaian get one of those patented leaping right to connect, or maybe an "unforseen" accidental headbutt, LOL, which either or both can slow or STOP Pac down, I see very slim chance for Josh to win.

Word out of Pac's training camp seem to give credence to the initial Vegas odds favoring the PacMan. More than a few credible wild card inhabitants profess that Manny has never looked better... (see video above from MAX Boxing)

I see a Durable Diaz parallel, only this time now with Pac even more precise with his delivery in inflicting damage. This may possibly cut the number of rounds by a few.

Round 6 till 8 will be it for Clottey. PacMan by stoppage.

That's what I'm thinking too, Pac's movement should allow him to take advantage of the openings the others were not able to do. I think Pac will be stepping to the right a lot and firing straight lefts to get inside of the jousting move Clottey uses to make it work against him (Clottey). The obvious follow up are right hooks to the body while continuing to move to the right to get around the elbows.

[mattboxingfan]

The real question here is wether manny is taking p..........ineapple juice because its supposed to be really good for you ! But yeah i see Manny getting a late round KO i dont see Josh putting up as much a fight as Miguel did, after seeing how Clottey acted when Miguel threw him down he just doesnt have the heart.

[J_Undisputed]

The first two Pac will move in and out to test Clottey's range and willingness. Clottey will be determined to be more aggressive and not sit back as per what most people expect... maybe catch pac with a shot. at which point Pac will acknowledge by throw his arms up. Pac, unhurt, goes on the attack after that, moving in and out and winning any exchanges by and extra 2 punches. From there on Clottey will settle into his shell despite pleads from his corner. Pacquaio will wear down Clottey aside from a round off here or there. While I think Clottey's conditioning can take him to the end....Somewhere in the later rounds, 10 or 11, the refs seen enough and calls a stop while Pac's flailing away on the Clottey Caccoon. Clottey will protest.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Clottey hurts his hand again in this fight.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

you know what i think clottey will be a bit harder to burn down then some poeple think....the guys tough has a granite chin, plenty of cuts and stamina and awkard......i think manny will win but wouldnt be suprised if thinks turn out upside down

[HattonTheHammer]

early on a surprisingly very willing joshua clottey manages to trade out the first 4 rounds, through 5-8 pacquaio`s speed really starts to tell and through 9-12 clottey resorts into defense mode and pacquiao takes a comfortable 12round decision

unanimous decision pacquiao, ive got clottey going the whole 12

[Majesty]

Clottey is a good fighter who can win fights but he isn't a winner.

You have to be able to win, like in basketball Bill Russel is known as the best WINNER hey may not have been the most talented or strongest or fastest but he knew how to WIN.

Clottey is big strong and very talented and fast and he can win fights but he doesn't know how to win. If he knew how to WIN he would have tried to stop Cotto in the final rounds. Clottey needs to learn how to close the show, if he did then I'd pick him against Pacquiao. But Pacquiao if nothing else knows now to "win" he has someone like Roach in his corner teaching him how to do those kind of things.

And seriously after the first episode of the Road To Dallas the chances for Clottey are slimming and slimming again. Clottey has no trainer, and the trainer he wanted couldn't make it , cause of Visa issues, but rather then try to fix them he just hired his cutman. Sounds familiar...

Anyway this guy claims to know Pacquiao and that he is the same and nothing has changed.

Know what trainer Clottey should have gotten? Dan Birmingham, aka Winky Wright's trainer. He could help him beat someone like Pacquiao with the style he has and would improve his jab, all the kinds of things he needs to go with Pacquiao. But if Clottey thinks he can just improvise a training camp and beat Pacquiao he is sorely mistaken.

[Fenster]

Clottey has a height, reach, natural weight advantage, decent power and a good chin. This is the biggest fight of his career.

Pac pulled out of a $50 million dollar super fight with his reputation tainted by drug accusations for this.

It has upset written all over it.

Clottey - TKO.

[HattonTheHammer]

Clottey has a height, reach, natural weight advantage, decent power and a good chin. This is the biggest fight of his career.

Pac pulled out of a $50 million dollar super fight with his reputation tainted by drug accusations for this.

It has upset written all over it.

Clottey - TKO.

come saturday night that`ll make/break my night

not because your right or wrong just that your pretty much the only respected poster on saddos who is backing clottey

im saying pac will win a decision, but if indeed your right, i and the entire forum will be at your mercy...............

[Gandalf]

Clottey has a height, reach, natural weight advantage, decent power and a good chin. This is the biggest fight of his career.

Pac pulled out of a $50 million dollar super fight with his reputation tainted by drug accusations for this.

It has upset written all over it.

Clottey - TKO.

Let's hope so. Come on Clottey!

Hopefully this is stage one in the dismantling of the divas. I've been watching more Clottey interviews this morning and I like the guy, it will be good to see him pull out the win.

Everyone is predicting a Manny win and the arguments are persuasive, but anything can happen in boxing. I want an upset!

[p4pking]

Clottey has a height, reach, natural weight advantage, decent power and a good chin. This is the biggest fight of his career.

Pac pulled out of a $50 million dollar super fight with his reputation tainted by drug accusations for this.

It has upset written all over it.

Clottey - TKO.

Let's hope so. Come on Clottey!

Hopefully this is stage one in the dismantling of the divas. I've been watching more Clottey interviews this morning and I like the guy, it will be good to see him pull out the win.

Everyone is predicting a Manny win and the arguments are persuasive, but anything can happen in boxing. I want an upset!

I would love to see it happen as well, but Clottey was a very carefully selected opponent. The matchmaking is top notch in order to preserve the Mayweather fight down the line while giving Pacquiao a good win on paper in the meantime.
I really don't see why on earth Clottey would be any more fired up for this fight than he was against Cotto? Surely he had to know that fight was the biggest of his career, and possibly his last marquee oppourtunity... And he completely gave the fight away. He let Cotto take the last 2 rounds from him when he was MUCH worse for wear, why? He just doesn't have that higher gear it takes to beat top guys, it would have been lunacy for him to really imagine he had the fight won by the judges..
Pacquiao is way to fast for him, Clottey has no equalizer whatsoever, and he can't begin to match the pace Manny is going to set. I actually expect this to be completely lopsided the more I think about it, Clottey might win a round or two of the first five, then he will just continue to cover up falling further and further behind taking punishment. Maybe Manny stops him maybe not, but he's going to completely run away with it after the mid rounds. It's really dead easy to see why the fight was made when you contrast styles, Manny will be in and out all day and Clottey is going to look like a putz by the end of the fight.

[:::PSL:::]

Remember when Cotto knocked Clottey down with a jab in first round? Well, Clottey didn't see that punch comin'. He walked right to it. He'll be perfectly timed by Pac. And once Clottey gets rocked, expect the ref to step in for stoppage.

Pac by 8 round TKO.

[toe2toe]

i think pacquiao will win all rounds due to his speed, angles and workrate until he tkos clottey in the 7th round. he might fight in orthodox stance at some instances in the fight.

[UKPH]

Just wonderin how Clottey reacts to the punches from Pac, vice versa seems Pacquiao is not fighting a dehydrated fighter like he did before.

Clottey seems tough and rough, well i just remember the fight with him with the late Diego Corrales and Clottey seems doesn't bother or hurt him either.

[KananKrus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cxoI9vmDM

Unless the Ghanaian get one of those patented leaping right to connect, or maybe an "unforseen" accidental headbutt, LOL, which either or both can slow or STOP Pac down, I see very slim chance for Josh to win.

Word out of Pac's training camp seem to give credence to the initial Vegas odds favoring the PacMan. More than a few credible wild card inhabitants profess that Manny has never looked better... (see video above from MAX Boxing)

I see a Durable Diaz parallel, only this time now with Pac even more precise with his delivery in inflicting damage. This may possibly cut the number of rounds by a few.

Round 6 till 8 will be it for Clottey. PacMan by stoppage.

That's what I'm thinking too, Pac's movement should allow him to take advantage of the openings the others were not able to do. I think Pac will be stepping to the right a lot and firing straight lefts to get inside of the jousting move Clottey uses to make it work against him (Clottey). The obvious follow up are right hooks to the body while continuing to move to the right to get around the elbows.

In the three fights I've seen of Clottey (against Judah, Margarito, and Cotto) I've observed that the leaping right straight seem to be the most effective weapon in his arsenal. It is quite unique and the snappiest of conterpunches, to which style or discipline Josh is quite an accomplished, and Pacquiao the overmatched.

Killersheep, you have noted the hooks to the side that Pac would use after the powershots... Agreed on that one, absolutely.

For Pac's attack to be successful, he needs to somehow bring down Clottey's arms that excellently cover and protect his weak spots. Clottey's extra long arms seem to be naturally designed for this specific purpose...
This is where Manny's body attack will prove quite useful.

Pac's body attack, especially the power shots to the breadbaskets are to this date totally undervalued and even ignored as a Pacquiao weapon of note, yet it is, after the obvious signature ones, that have brought down the likes of Erik, Oscar, Ricky, and Miguel in a manner quite unexpectedly by the same recipients.

Clottey will experience the same as the others, but only this time with a much purposeful intent from Manny. Those arms will stay on protect mode until it falls off from cumulative damage. If and when that happens, Josh will wish to get off from that nightmarish predicament, any which way he can.

[match]

If Manny wins by stoppage that would be super impressive. I expect him to win but Clottey is as tough as they come and IMO even a 12th round TKO would be more impressive than his 2nd round KO of Hatton.