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Manny says for all of the shit talking he ducked the brothers twice. He won't fight either brother and probably will make more cartoons and put them on t shirts. Also says he will keep on fighting the John Ruizs.
Steward is probably right. Haye won't fight a Klitschko until it's time to cash out at the end. A sensible business decision, but gay.
Yep but on the other side of it, Haye will be fighting on HBO, Wladimer will fight on the internet. Who wins?
Klitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Wlad is still able to sell out stadiums and get unlimited airplay throughout most of eastern Europe. I don't know why though as there is no fun in watching him. But you can say the same thing about Haye too. Does anyone really think that Haye/Ruiz will be a good fight; especially after Valuev? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I don't think there is a winner here TBH.
Like I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZillaKlitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
heavyweight division needs this imo
Haye beat bigfoot and barrett , so wot ?
Lets see what happens when Haye gets hit on the chin , by a good puncher.
By the way i like Haye but his hype is to much , Ruiz is another none puncher , who to be fair i actually give a chance against Haye.
Put up or shut up .
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Originally Posted by MajestyLike I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZillaKlitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
heavyweight division needs this imo
As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.
With bringing 51 000 peoples to fight Chambers without the shadow of a challenge and being broadcasted in France, Germany, Ukraine and Russia, I don't think Wlad give a big wut about HBO, he's cashing enough money and the Americans know him even if he didn't get the HBO ticket last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZillaKlitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyLike I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla
heavyweight division needs this imo
As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.
After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:
Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.
Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.
Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.
But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).
Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.
Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.
*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.
The fight will definitely happen eventually.
But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.
After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:
Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.
Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.
Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.
But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).
Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.
Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.
*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.
The fight will definitely happen eventually.
Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:
Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.
Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.
Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.
But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).
Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.
Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.
*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.
The fight will definitely happen eventually.
I think thats a bit unfair Miles, he had to be cautious vs such a big guy like Nikolai Valuev. I mean what did people expect ? for David Haye to stand his ground, and let a 300+ pound Heavyweight lean all over him, taking his legs away ?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:
Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.
Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.
Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.
But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).
Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.
Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.
*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.
The fight will definitely happen eventually.
I actually felt David Haye boxed smart and he won quite comfortably on points, apart from that one cautious peformance which he had to do. When has David Haye ever been cautious ? especially at Heavyweight ?
Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesTotally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?
This fight will happen eventually, just wait.
Not really fair Miles. He has had 3 fights at heavyweight. Blasted out Bonin in a round and he threw plenty against Barrett. Not that I disagree with your other points.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:
Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.
Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.
Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.
But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).
Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.
Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.
*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.
The fight will definitely happen eventually.
I am not sure about now with Ruiz having a chance...There was the inactivity...then lack of quality opp...Some promotion probs I think it was....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The Ruiz of 2002, 2003, 2004 I would have picked to beat Haye....His style would have frustrated him silly...Ruiz has a solid chin despite the bad rep he got from the Tua loss...(That was a flash KO from a hard puncher to a guy who was bone dry to start the fight)
Just on a few points, the Haye-Ruiz fight IS on HBO, it will be on for free before the Hopkins-Jones PPV. Also Manny Steward is hardly impartial and has a history of talking shit about possible future opponents of his fighters. As it is I don't see Haye beating Wlad, in fact I'm in the minority in thinking that he has a far better shot at beating Vitali. But, if Haye beats Ruiz the fight will happen and he will be a lot better off from it. Also he has thrown plenty of punches in other fights at Heavyweight, he was just being careful not to give Valuev a chance to clinch & try and sap his strength.
Can he avoid the masterclass clinches from the quiet man? That's the real question.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
To be honest I think Ruiz is too old and slow, Haye will catch him, I don't think he can beat Tua's record, but Haye should have his way in this fight.
Ruiz is scintillating compared to Wlad. HBO knows when to show heavyweight fights live, when you've got a guy like Ruiz involved you can sell that, just as long as he's not matched up with Wlad.
I'm annoyed with Manny and his determined quest to kill heavyweight boxing so I've gotta ask what the hell does this mean, "I've never seen a division where these two brothers dominate everything."
For what its worth Haye has acted poorly, you can defend it on business lines but this is no time for business, this the time for humanity to stand up and say no more Wlad bullshit. And tyranny and oppression and so on.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Maybe I missed the announcement, but as far as I could see Ruiz/Haye is not being televised by HBO......Neither was Valuev/Haye.
Which Haye fights are on HBO?
You cant blame Manny, how many times do you have a fighter winning every round on the cards and his manager is screaming "You need to knock this guy out, we dont want another decision!" haha...Manny is always trying to get Wlad to be more aggressive, but I think Wlad is still haunted by the Sanders fight so is nervous about letting it all hang out......Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesTotally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?
This fight will happen eventually, just wait.
Oh for sure. He still has that wide eyed look of absolute horror when someone steps forward and takes a swing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterYou cant blame Manny, how many times do you have a fighter winning every round on the cards and his manager is screaming "You need to knock this guy out, we dont want another decision!" haha...Manny is always trying to get Wlad to be more aggressive, but I think Wlad is still haunted by the Sanders fight so is nervous about letting it all hang out......Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Haye hasn't proven his stamina yet. But other than against Valuev he does usually have a high output at least for the first 5 rounds. Whether he can maintain a high output over 12 remains to be seen but he's just as likely to be able to as not.
Nameless, your comment regarding 'england needing a boxer to look at' seems a bit eroneous.
On Haye, I think the only logical thing to say is that the jurys still out. We can but guess which way they will go but some seem very keen to have him hung without trial. (I accept that his loudmouth, arrogance and suspected ducking aren't endearing qualities).
C'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessPersonally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?
This fight will happen eventually, just wait.
As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.
Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand... ;)
;D I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinC'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessPersonally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.
Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand... ;)
Obviously, why would anyone go to Canada :confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman;D I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinC'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.
Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand... ;)
I know, it beggars belief. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinObviously, why would anyone go to Canada :confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman;D I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Because we're awesome and quite open minded though we're starting to have ugly social problems slowly but surely :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinObviously, why would anyone go to Canada :confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman;D I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
As for Canada looking desperately for a very good boxer, it's absolutely true, I have no shame to admit it, Jean Pascal is not bad at all, Bute is great and has been adopted like son though he's in fact Romanian. Beside that, when was the last great canadian boxer? ... Lewis perhaps? The very good thing though is that we're starting to have tons of young wolves in the junior that could quite become someone and our boxing gyms are absolutely loaded, it's cool for the future and for the scene, really.
As for HAye, he did back up till the cruiserweights, sure, but then? .. He's talking about being the best and making a clean up but he did wuss up 2 times back to back against the Ukrenian towers and got hurt very bad against Barrett... To me he's all about words and nothing about actions at the moment and it's not by beating the slow russian mountain that should have lost at least 2 more times that he,ll convince me of anything at all. Khan is popular but at the same time, he has sooo many peoples hating him, it's difficult to know if he's more loved or hated overall in the UK (from an outsider point of view) which is quite sad because I appreciate the kid,s talent. Haye in revenge seems to have quite the general consensus over there, which is why I say that England needs a new legend and that they are hyping Haye a bit too much at the moment in my opinion.
You can't slate Haye for fighting Ruiz. Ruiz was the mandatory to Valuev, took step aside money for Haye-Valuev and a guarantee to face the winner.
I never did, I talked about his double back off from the K brothers and how he didn't deliver up to his words in the HW till now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I was replying to some earlier posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI never did, I talked about his double back off from the K brothers and how he didn't deliver up to his words in the HW till now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Haye backed off from the Klit's because first time he wasn't getting paid then second time got offered a better deal by Valuev's people. It's a business. He now holds a stronger hand to deal with the Klits ;)
There is a lot of hypocrisy coming from Haye fans on here. Wlad always plays it too safe, yet when Haye did same against Valuev it is good thinking, smart game plan.
Wlad takes to many easy fights and doesnt test himself, but when Haye does it, boxing is a business and thats smart.
Wlad is chinny, and has been KO'd before so Haye can do it. Ahem, Haye aint exactly got a hagler jaw either...
Chagaev and Holyfield fought more convincingly against Valuev, and i daresay bithwould have beaten Barret just as easily. So at most I would say Haye is at about their level which is daylight behind the Klits.
I don't really see much hyprocrisy. Its true that he has to fight Ruiz, so he can't be slated for that. Its not true that he only throws 15 punches a round, that was only against Valuev. And its not true that he hasn't done anything - he was unified cruiser champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I'm not a particular fan of Haye by any means but its nice to have a bit of a balanced opinion occasionally.
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Originally Posted by eagle
I don't understand what you are getting at? Wlad gets criticized because he plays it safe against guys he outweighs by 40-50 lbs and is around 5-6 inches bigger than them, Haye did what he had to to beat Valuev with the size difference in there.
Haye aint daylights behind Wlad and Vitlai I think he gets beat by them both but I also think he would spark Chambers, Arreola etc etc.
The point im making is that his fans say he played it safe just against Valuev cos he was bigger. Well what is he gonna do against Wlad who is also bigger (altho not to the same degree), far better skilled, punches far harder, and is probably just as strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I don't understand what you are getting at? Wlad gets criticized because he plays it safe against guys he outweighs by 40-50 lbs and is around 5-6 inches bigger than him, Haye did what he had to to beat Valuev with the size difference in there.
Haye aint daylights behind Wlad and Vitlai I think he gets beat by them both but I also think he would spark Chambers, Arreola etc etc.
Then they say he is somehow going to work to the inside and knock Wlad out. Somehow they seem to think He'll beat Wlad because of his weak chin and dont take into account that Haye also has a weak chin and will get hit more often in a fight v Wlad than Klit will.
Hit with more jabs? Sure probably. Outside of that I dont think its all a foregone conclusion. Im interested to see how Hayes mobility changes the game, because as you know, most of Wlads opponents arent mobile. And the ones who were mobile cant punch hard. So, we will just have to see how it plays out when it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe point im making is that his fans say he played it safe just against Valuev cos he was bigger. Well what is he gonna do against Wlad who is also bigger (altho not to the same degree), far better skilled, punches far harder, and is probably just as strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I don't understand what you are getting at? Wlad gets criticized because he plays it safe against guys he outweighs by 40-50 lbs and is around 5-6 inches bigger than him, Haye did what he had to to beat Valuev with the size difference in there.
Haye aint daylights behind Wlad and Vitlai I think he gets beat by them both but I also think he would spark Chambers, Arreola etc etc.
Then they say he is somehow going to work to the inside and knock Wlad out. Somehow they seem to think He'll beat Wlad because of his weak chin and dont take into account that Haye also has a weak chin and will get hit more often in a fight v Wlad than Klit will.
The shot that KO'd Chambers wasnt much more than a jab, and Chambers chin is better than Hayes. I never said it was a foregone conclusion either, boxing never is. Hayes fans tend to make i sound a lot easier to beat Wlad than it is tho. "Move around a bit, get close and hit weak chin hard", is about all i've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Hit with more jabs? Sure probably. Outside of that I dont think its all a foregone conclusion. Im interested to see how Hayes mobility changes the game, because as you know, most of Wlads opponents arent mobile. And the ones who were mobile cant punch hard. So, we will just have to see how it plays out when it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe point im making is that his fans say he played it safe just against Valuev cos he was bigger. Well what is he gonna do against Wlad who is also bigger (altho not to the same degree), far better skilled, punches far harder, and is probably just as strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Then they say he is somehow going to work to the inside and knock Wlad out. Somehow they seem to think He'll beat Wlad because of his weak chin and dont take into account that Haye also has a weak chin and will get hit more often in a fight v Wlad than Klit will.
Canada have Bret "Hitman" Hart haha!!!