Manny Steward:Haye Just talks alot, wont fight Klit Bros

[Zilla]

Yep but on the other side of it, Haye will be fighting on HBO, Wladimer will fight on the internet. Who wins?

Klitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).

[Majesty]

Yep but on the other side of it, Haye will be fighting on HBO, Wladimer will fight on the internet. Who wins?

Klitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).

Like I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.

heavyweight division needs this imo

[Dark Lord Al]

Haye beat bigfoot and barrett , so wot ?
Lets see what happens when Haye gets hit on the chin , by a good puncher.
By the way i like Haye but his hype is to much , Ruiz is another none puncher , who to be fair i actually give a chance against Haye.
Put up or shut up .

[DaxxKahn]

Haye beat bigfoot and barrett , so wot ?
Lets see what happens when Haye gets hit on the chin , by a good puncher.
By the way i like Haye but his hype is to much , Ruiz is another none puncher , who to be fair i actually give a chance against Haye.
Put up or shut up .

I am not sure about now with Ruiz having a chance...There was the inactivity...then lack of quality opp...Some promotion probs I think it was....

The Ruiz of 2002, 2003, 2004 I would have picked to beat Haye....His style would have frustrated him silly...Ruiz has a solid chin despite the bad rep he got from the Tua loss...(That was a flash KO from a hard puncher to a guy who was bone dry to start the fight)

[JazMerkin]

Just on a few points, the Haye-Ruiz fight IS on HBO, it will be on for free before the Hopkins-Jones PPV. Also Manny Steward is hardly impartial and has a history of talking shit about possible future opponents of his fighters. As it is I don't see Haye beating Wlad, in fact I'm in the minority in thinking that he has a far better shot at beating Vitali. But, if Haye beats Ruiz the fight will happen and he will be a lot better off from it. Also he has thrown plenty of punches in other fights at Heavyweight, he was just being careful not to give Valuev a chance to clinch & try and sap his strength.

[killersheep]

Just on a few points, the Haye-Ruiz fight IS on HBO, it will be on for free before the Hopkins-Jones PPV. Also Manny Steward is hardly impartial and has a history of talking shit about possible future opponents of his fighters. As it is I don't see Haye beating Wlad, in fact I'm in the minority in thinking that he has a far better shot at beating Vitali. But, if Haye beats Ruiz the fight will happen and he will be a lot better off from it. Also he has thrown plenty of punches in other fights at Heavyweight, he was just being careful not to give Valuev a chance to clinch & try and sap his strength.

Can he avoid the masterclass clinches from the quiet man? That's the real question.

To be honest I think Ruiz is too old and slow, Haye will catch him, I don't think he can beat Tua's record, but Haye should have his way in this fight.

[OumaFan]

Ruiz is scintillating compared to Wlad. HBO knows when to show heavyweight fights live, when you've got a guy like Ruiz involved you can sell that, just as long as he's not matched up with Wlad.

I'm annoyed with Manny and his determined quest to kill heavyweight boxing so I've gotta ask what the hell does this mean, "I've never seen a division where these two brothers dominate everything."

For what its worth Haye has acted poorly, you can defend it on business lines but this is no time for business, this the time for humanity to stand up and say no more Wlad bullshit. And tyranny and oppression and so on.

[The Fightfan]

Yep but on the other side of it, Haye will be fighting on HBO, Wladimer will fight on the internet. Who wins?

Klitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).

Like I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.

heavyweight division needs this imo

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

[ninjaspy3]

Klitschko. Don't think for an instant that he isn't getting paid. There is a reason Klitschko keeps fighting in Germany and it has to do with $$$ (and maybe the Russian mob *coff*coff*).

Like I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.

heavyweight division needs this imo

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

[Gandalf]

Like I'm saying, Haye is gonna get TV time and exposure on HBO instead of being another heavyweight hopeful who fights a Klit and loses and then goes into obscurity. He made the smart business decision, there are more to the heavyweights then the Klits and he made the smart decision going after Valuev and beating him, now he defends his title on HBO and gets national TV exposure whilst HBO won't air Klits matches.

heavyweight division needs this imo

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

[ninjaspy3]

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

[Gandalf]

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

[ICB]

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

I think thats a bit unfair Miles, he had to be cautious vs such a big guy like Nikolai Valuev. I mean what did people expect ? for David Haye to stand his ground, and let a 300+ pound Heavyweight lean all over him, taking his legs away ?

I actually felt David Haye boxed smart and he won quite comfortably on points, apart from that one cautious peformance which he had to do. When has David Haye ever been cautious ? especially at Heavyweight ?

[El Kabong]

I think thats a bit unfair Miles, he had to be cautious vs such a big guy like Nikolai Valuev. I mean what did people expect ? for David Haye to stand his ground, and let a 300+ pound Heavyweight lean all over him, taking his legs away ?

I actually felt David Haye boxed smart and he won quite comfortably on points, apart from that one cautious peformance which he had to do. When has David Haye ever been cautious ? especially at Heavyweight ?

The guy boxed as if he was in danger when he was in there vs Valuev.....what the hell does that tell you?

Wlad is on his game and he's going to beat up and stop whoever is put in his way.....if it ends up being the WBA Chump then Wlad will batter him, if it ends up being Povetkin then Wlad will batter him. It's funny because both the WBA chump and Povetkin AND their trainers love to talk shit but when it comes down to putting their fighters in with THE MAN they shy away from it because they are all full of shit.

HBO made a decision based on TIMING and competition...make no doubts about it, Wlad is the the big draw in the division. He sold 50K tickets to a fight vs Eddie friggin Chambers who's only skill other than being a solid (albeit small) boxer is that he had the stones to step in the ring with Wlad.

The way things are going Wlad may end up fighting David Tua before any of these chumps

[ryanman]

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not really fair Miles. He has had 3 fights at heavyweight. Blasted out Bonin in a round and he threw plenty against Barrett. Not that I disagree with your other points.