Manny Steward:Haye Just talks alot, wont fight Klit Bros

[ninjaspy3]

As far as I was concerned the Haye Ruiz fight is not televised.So I don't know if he will be on HBO. As for Haye himself I think he is complete tool. I don't understand the logic behind talking a bunch of shit about both brothers then backing out of two fight's with them because the money wasn't right? Then he claims to be a saviour of the heavyweight's and fight's Valuev and now Ruiz? Does that sound like a champion? I think E-Man is right this guy is a fraud and he(Haye) even knows it. logic tells you he is afraid of Klitschko's and uses the excuse of money as a cop out. Feed your B.S. somewhere else and fight someone who is worth a damn. Sorry I got off track a bit Yes I believe everything that Manny has stated.

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

[Gandalf]

I dont even want to get into the side debate about Haye doging the Klitschkos and what not. I simply don't care about that. I am simply stating that he has a chance against Wlad looking at things from a technical perspective.

After watching the fight with Eddie, and here's why I think this:

Eddie's problem is he lacks power and is somewhat stationary -and- Eddie couldt seem to land head shots anyway.

Eddie could land body shots which Im not sure body shots even bother Wlad.

Eddie had nothing in his arsenal to make Wlad think twice.

But- Haye can land shots on Wlads head, I'm willing to bet this as he was able to land on a taller target (ie Valuev).

Haye will pivot around Wlad and will "be on his bike" but has a very good chance of getting on the inside.

Should Haye land the kind of shots on Wlad that he did on Valuev, Wlad will be dazed, I am willing to bet on that too.

*The real question will be who hits who first with a hard shot, because that is whats going to be a big deciding factor. If Wlad hits Haye hard 1st then it will be down hill for Haye obviously. Now Vitali is a whole other story that Im not getting into right now.


The fight will definitely happen eventually.

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

[ninjaspy3]

But the problem is that Haye throws 15 punches a round at heavyeight. And none of them are likely to land.

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

[Nameless]

Not true. -If- he gets inside, some are likely to land... and that as Wlad is about to clinch... or even after the break from a clinch. Even Eddie pulled this off a few times during their fight.

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

[JazMerkin]

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

C'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.

As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.

Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand...

[ryanman]

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

C'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.

As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.

Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand...

I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.

[JazMerkin]

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

C'mon it's not like Haye hasn't backed up some of his talk. He's a unified and lineal Cruiserweight champion as well as now being a belt-holder at Heavyweight.

As for the idea that England needs a boxer to look at, well to be honest that's just rubbish. Amir Khan is about the most sought-after young fighter in the world, Hatton & Calzaghe may be retired or good as yet plenty of guys at 140 & 168 still call them out, Kevin Mitchell has a world title fight in a football stadium and Carl Froch is all but ignored over here despite taking on great opposition and usually being in good fights. Not to mention the wealth of prospects we have coming through.

Britain is far from desperatly searching for boxing stars. Canada on the other hand...

I was tempted to go there. There meaning the subject of course, not Canada.

Obviously, why would anyone go to Canada

[TheMacMagician]

Totally true. Haye doesn't have the stamina nor will to impose himself on Wlad. And that is why we won't see the fight. The guy will milk the UK audiences as long as he can.

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

Broken down by all kinds of punches?? Aside from his Jab, I saw barely any variety from Wlad atall. He tried to throw an incredibly limp uppercut early - midway and threw about 4 left hooks, one which briefly landed right at the end to put Chambers down. The punch output and aggression from Wlad is pathetic.

I think if Haye can keep improving at Heavy, get another fight in after Ruiz, and look to get working with someone like Brother Nazim or Roach on a top top game plan, I think he can beat Wlad. If he uses only Booth, then that is not enough to figure out a way past Wlads jab. If Haye starches Ruiz, which is not out of the question, I reckon Roach Or Richardson would defo be interested for a fight against Wlad, things could get very very interesting indeed. A corner akin to Eddie Chambers at the weekend is pathetic and is a plan to fail. They had absolutely no creative critisism what so ever with regards to technical input towards a game plan or adjusted game plan or anything aside from shouting and hoping for motivation....

[Nameless]

Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.

How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?

This fight will happen eventually, just wait.

Personally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.

Broken down by all kinds of punches?? Aside from his Jab, I saw barely any variety from Wlad atall. He tried to throw an incredibly limp uppercut early - midway and threw about 4 left hooks, one which briefly landed right at the end to put Chambers down. The punch output and aggression from Wlad is pathetic.

I think if Haye can keep improving at Heavy, get another fight in after Ruiz, and look to get working with someone like Brother Nazim or Roach on a top top game plan, I think he can beat Wlad. If he uses only Booth, then that is not enough to figure out a way past Wlads jab. If Haye starches Ruiz, which is not out of the question, I reckon Roach Or Richardson would defo be interested for a fight against Wlad, things could get very very interesting indeed. A corner akin to Eddie Chambers at the weekend is pathetic and is a plan to fail. They had absolutely no creative critisism what so ever with regards to technical input towards a game plan or adjusted game plan or anything aside from shouting and hoping for motivation....

His uppercuts are quite neat too, like for the Austin fight for example. I've seen Wlad throwing load of different punches during his career but the thing is: Just with his long range and powerful jab he can to all the damage necessary to then finish his opponents with a powerful straight or a hook. Why would he take some other risks if it does work? I reckon it might not be the best for the show but on a purely effective point of view, it's extremely effective.

[El Kabong]

Broken down by all kinds of punches?? Aside from his Jab, I saw barely any variety from Wlad atall. He tried to throw an incredibly limp uppercut early - midway and threw about 4 left hooks, one which briefly landed right at the end to put Chambers down. The punch output and aggression from Wlad is pathetic.

I've heard that argument too often....Wlad throws different punches WHEN HE HAS TO.

Sure he relies on the 1-2 a bunch but his left hook is the best in the division!!! Sure I assume people will either search for someone who FEATURES a left hook or even cite the poor state of the division as to why Wlad has the best jab, best right cross, and best left hook in the division....but the facts are his left hook and right cross are as effective as they are because his jab is so great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtfMDVGJdxM

When the 1-2 is stopped by someone, maybe Wlad will change it up, but why the hell tamper with success

[Fenster]

You can't slate Haye for fighting Ruiz. Ruiz was the mandatory to Valuev, took step aside money for Haye-Valuev and a guarantee to face the winner.

[Nameless]

You can't slate Haye for fighting Ruiz. Ruiz was the mandatory to Valuev, took step aside money for Haye-Valuev and a guarantee to face the winner.

I never did, I talked about his double back off from the K brothers and how he didn't deliver up to his words in the HW till now.

[Fenster]

You can't slate Haye for fighting Ruiz. Ruiz was the mandatory to Valuev, took step aside money for Haye-Valuev and a guarantee to face the winner.

I never did, I talked about his double back off from the K brothers and how he didn't deliver up to his words in the HW till now.

I was replying to some earlier posters.

Haye backed off from the Klit's because first time he wasn't getting paid then second time got offered a better deal by Valuev's people. It's a business. He now holds a stronger hand to deal with the Klits

[eagle]

There is a lot of hypocrisy coming from Haye fans on here. Wlad always plays it too safe, yet when Haye did same against Valuev it is good thinking, smart game plan.

Wlad takes to many easy fights and doesnt test himself, but when Haye does it, boxing is a business and thats smart.

Wlad is chinny, and has been KO'd before so Haye can do it. Ahem, Haye aint exactly got a hagler jaw either...

Chagaev and Holyfield fought more convincingly against Valuev, and i daresay bithwould have beaten Barret just as easily. So at most I would say Haye is at about their level which is daylight behind the Klits.

[rjj tszyu]

Steward is starting to show signs of his dementia now. Haye WILL fight a Klit soon and if it's Wlad he will definitely win by KO. I read that Wlad said after the Chambers fight that Eddie was very very quick?? WTF?? He was shite and just stood there with no foot movement what so ever with his hands up letting Wlad just 1-2 his guard all night. Problem was they were getting through, Haye will be far too quick for Wlad!!