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I am totally confused, I saw Bernard win the first five rounds, but after that I saw him maybe win two or three of hte rounds. Roy was countering better, fighting on the inside better, and landing cleaner shots on the outside. I am not sure if Roy deserved to win, but he certainly didn't lose that badly. Also Bernard was being SUCH a pussy.
I had it 117 - 111 Hopkins
Neither really did anything but BHOP did "more" to win the rounds..since its 10 point must...they all should have been scored 0-0 except for the point deduction which would give bhop the win 0 to -1....Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I didn't score it properly, but felt it was a clear Hopkins win. He got too far ahead early on with that repulsive 'hook, ram with the head, clinch' thing he does. There needs to be rules about charging in with the head down in boxing. It is repugnant. Jones Jr goes out with his held high IMO. He did what he could but everything seemed to be against him. Why doesn't anyone warn or take points away from Hopkins for his clinching? This SHOULDN'T be a part of boxing. Inside fighting is great, but blatant clinching is unnaceptable. It spoils fights and shouldn't be allowed.
Anyway, I thought Jones won the 5th (I think it was the 5th) and his share of the rounds down the stretch, so a Hopkins win but not by ridiculously wide margins. Hopkins should have lost a couple of points too.
Roy won 3-4 rounds imo at the most.
Shit dirty fight.
I expected much better from my man X, serious let down by him tonight. :-\
I am going to have to see it again, but even watching it streamed it was pretty good quality, and Roy was landing better punches. I think ineffective "aggression" shouldn't win rounds for Hopkins who wasn't landing in a lot of circumstances. I honesly believe that if they had counted punches for this fight that Roy would have landed more based on what I saw.
Agreed. Hopkins won more rounds clearly and won the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
But he should have been deducted at least two points for his blatent headbutts and hittin after the bell and acting his ass off.
Just disgraceful performances by both.
Nazim hit the nail on the head in the corner when he said that Roy was only there to try to survive an say he went 12 rounds, I gave 1 round to Roy and that was the 5th or the 6th I believe.
Where you guys giving rounds to Hopkins just because? He wasn't landing the better punches in many of the rounds, and he wasn't bombarding Roy with punches ala Joe Calzaghe, and after the first 4 or 5 rounds Roy started hitting Hopkins with uppercuts on the inside pretty much everytime. Most of Bernard's combinations were just hitting Roy on the gloves and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Yeah, Jones started to try and do some work on the inside after realising he was being completely nullified in the opening 4. A lot of good uppercuts were getting through. I also saw a fair few straight rights from Jones landing flush. The problem for Jones was also that he was just too gun shy. It reminded me of Jones/Tarver 3 a little in that sense. The fight was there to be won if he could have thrown a bit more because I just do not believe that Hopkins has the stamina to keep up. But those roughhouse tactics of Hopkins are just awful and can throw anyone off their game. Both guys look pretty done to me at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWhere you guys giving rounds to Hopkins just because? He wasn't landing the better punches in many of the rounds, and he wasn't bombarding Roy with punches ala Joe Calzaghe, and after the first 4 or 5 rounds Roy started hitting Hopkins with uppercuts on the inside pretty much everytime. Most of Bernard's combinations were just hitting Roy on the gloves and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I only gave Roy 2 rounds, he did seem like he was just trying to survive. Shit fight, the only positive thing that can be said is it wasn't as bad as their first one.
Well I am not sure there, with all the dirty stuff and Cirque du Soleil prowess by Hopkins, it was a show of an epic size WWE-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I haven't seen it yet, I crashed about 1am. What were the actual scores fellas?
Haven't seen it and don't want to see it. They both fought each other when they were approaching their primes and Jones won with one hand. Hopkins has clearly aged the better of the 2 but had they fought the rematch in 2001 when they were originally going to Jones would have schooled him again. It was a farce of a fight from the moment it was signed and by the sounds of what i have read it was a terrible fight and all i hope to see Roy doing from now on is promoting or rapping or whatever he plans to do with the rest of his life as long as it doesn't involve being in the ring with people that were never good enough to even mention his name in his prime.
Loopsided decision for Hopkins 117-110, 117-110, 118-109 into a circus and foulfest of epic proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I missed a few of the early rounds because i fell asleep, but i felt after the 5th round RJJ was doing quite well. H landed some clean right hand leads, i also felt he won some of the later rounds, to be honest i didn't think B-Hop looked better than RJJ.
He was just that bit more active and willing, but from what i saw it looked closer than the scorecards suggested, and good on RJJ for making it competitive. Because B-Hop should of had atleast 2 points deducted for some of his antics.
Seems like everytime Hopkins has to fight a bit these days he resorts to some shite acting display. Was it anything like Calzaghe vs Hopkins? I remember one of the times he complained in that fight for low blows I was thinking I could have literally flicked him harder than Joe hit him below the belt. Hopkins is not a good advertisment for brands making the foul protector (cup).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Yes it was like that but even worse, at one point in the fight. Bernard Hopkins hit RJJ quite hard with a rabbit shot, so RJJ does it back to him. But its clearly a tap, yet B-Hop goes to the floor for 2 minutes. It was ridiculous, and he only done that because he was fading late.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSeems like everytime Hopkins has to fight a bit these days he resorts to some shite acting display. Was it anything like Calzaghe vs Hopkins? I remember one of the times he complained in that fight for low blows I was thinking I could have literally flicked him harder than Joe hit him below the belt. Hopkins is not a good advertisment for brands making the foul protector (cup).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Sounds a lot like the Calzaghe fight then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYes it was like that but even worse, at one point in the fight. Bernard Hopkins hit RJJ quite hard with a rabbit shot, so RJJ does it back to him. But its clearly a tap, yet B-Hop goes to the floor for 2 minutes. It was ridiculous, and he only done that because he was fading late.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSeems like everytime Hopkins has to fight a bit these days he resorts to some shite acting display. Was it anything like Calzaghe vs Hopkins? I remember one of the times he complained in that fight for low blows I was thinking I could have literally flicked him harder than Joe hit him below the belt. Hopkins is not a good advertisment for brands making the foul protector (cup).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
The Calzaghe fightx3, but apparently Hopkins went to the hospital afterwards.
I remember like only 1 or 2 right crosses Jones landed flush. Roy wasn't even trying to win rounds in there! I doubt he even argued he won the fight or even came close. Hopkins was the only guy actually winning rounds and he was punching and forcing the fight a lot more then Jones. Dirty as fuck yes, but he clearly won about every round as Roy wasn't even trying to win rounds.
Roy Jones landed way more than 1 or 2 clean right hands. Hopkins would come forward once or twice a round with vigor, but most of the time it was with meaningless punches that Roy blocked for the most part.
I thought Roy should kept on throw that right hook to the body there was no way for Hopkins to get out of the way of it.
I second that, usually I root for the American fighters but Bernard embarrassed himself with all that acting…. A pathetic show and a big robbery….Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWell I am not sure there, with all the dirty stuff and Cirque du Soleil prowess by Hopkins, it was a show of an epic size WWE-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin