I feel like BUTE is on easy streak with that belt he should really be in the super middle wieght tournament. Will he Ever fight another belt holder or take the easy route? I think if he entered he'd be the worst fighter in the tournament.
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I feel like BUTE is on easy streak with that belt he should really be in the super middle wieght tournament. Will he Ever fight another belt holder or take the easy route? I think if he entered he'd be the worst fighter in the tournament.
I think Bute has the potential to be the best fighter in a stacked SMW division. He was in a tough spot after the Andrade fight. He agreed to a rematch because of the somewhat controversial nature of the fight, which he had to do or he would have be justifiably raked over the coals, but as a result he was unable to get into the Super 6. If he was in the tourny though I would favor him to win, but not without losing along the way. I think he'd beat Kessler, Froch, Abraham, and Taylor/Green; but Dirrell and Ward would give him some trouble.
I like Bute alot he is very skilled fighter, not alot of options at 168 for him at the moment.
Bute is in a very good position at 168. He doesn't have too many big challenges at the moment, he should handle Miranda without taking much punishment.
Meanwhile the reasonable opposition is left destroying each other in the tournament, aside from Ward everyone in the tourney has taken a lot of punishment and there's a lot left to go. At some point Ward should meet some resistance and take some damage as well.
So once the S6 is over Bute should be able to handle the winner pretty easily.
if Bute was in the super six i'd say that it would be between him and Ward to win it
There are still a few options about.
A Pavlik fight has been mentioned as a possibility.
Stieglitz isnt great but atleast has a belt.
Dawson could move down or Bute could move up.
Bika is a reasonable opponent to keep busy with.
Maybe even Winky Wright might fight him if he gets a good offer.
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Originally Posted by terrorsid
Bute should Unify the rest of the Super Middleweight belts right now so that when the Super Six tournament is over they will have to fight him.
It'll never happen, but if Pascal was somehow to beat Dawson, which he won't, I could see a big fight being made between him and Bute. That fight would be massive in Quebec and perhaps the rest of Canada as well.
Worse than Green?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
I think the fight has even broader appeal then just Quebec and Canada, although for sure that's its primary draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yeah i think u are right. I'd love to see that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodI think the fight has even broader appeal then just Quebec and Canada, although for sure that's its primary draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It won't matter anyways, there is no way Pascal beats Dawson. I do think it will be an at times competitive fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleYeah i think u are right. I'd love to see that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodI think the fight has even broader appeal then just Quebec and Canada, although for sure that's its primary draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Expect 20-22 000 peoples to turn to the Bell Center to see that if ever it materializes and to sell every tickets within a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
As for Bute, HBO wants to make him fight PAvlik an the latest serious rumors are about the Dallas Stadium, I don't think they could fill the stadium but I reasonably believe that in the US, they could sell 15 000 easily but the thing which is confirmed 100%: HBO wants this fight bad so does the Bute clan, I personally think it will happen if PAvlik beats Martinez either in Montreal or possibly in New-York to allow fans from Montreal to fill the place easily.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
The only fight people haven't mentioned which I think is a strong possibility is a fight with Bernard Hopkins at 168. It's the only weight class in the area Bernard hasn't won a belt at and it would be a big money fight if held in Montreal.
Bute easily beats Pavlik.
Terror, I think you're tripping with that statement. I hear you on the fact that Miranda is an easy fight for Bute unless Miranda has improved tremendously since his last fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Who does Bute fight in his division with the other top 6 guys out for the next year?
It should be Hopkins or Pavlik. Stieglitz ain't leaving Germany, let's be real. Diaconu may be a big fight in Montreal at a catchweight.
Bute can't fight who isn't there....And that is a hard fact because everyone else is wrapped up in the Super6...
Bute though is top notch with great skills and pretty tough chin....IMO only Ward gives him something to worry about...I am not even going to say that solidly until I see how Ward does against the other Super 6 opp....He was great against Kessler but it has been proven over time that guys can have that 1 great performance then next time look like shit
Bute will fight Ward after he unifies the Belts winning the Super-Six... Then it's a pick 'em fight for me. I quite like both guys. Both have alot of skills. Bute, being a south paw and very slick with good power... and Ward with great speed, movement along with some pop. Would be a great match-up. I would tend to give a slight edge to Ward.
People are all looking past Miranda. What's next for Bute. Funny how things work. Sounds like all the talk people did about Pantera before he faced Pavlik. If the Bonilla trained Miranda shows up than it won't be a good night for Miranda, but if Goossen did what he does best and tweaks Miranda's game, I think everyone is going to be very shocked at what happens on April 17th.
I like Miranda, but he's still going to be a limited, one-handed fighter who relies on his power and gets hit too much. I'd be somewhat impressed if he even survived until the middle of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
OR Pavlik... HBO wants that fight bad so it could very well be the next Bute,s fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
LMFAO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Agree I like him, but he is limited...The good thing about him is with his power you never know what he can pull out...Though other then his first fight with AA the power hasn't served him well at all with top class oppQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI like Miranda, but he's still going to be a limited, one-handed fighter who relies on his power and gets hit too much. I'd be somewhat impressed if he even survived until the middle of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by terrorsid
Bute would be far from the worst fighter in the tourney....
In fact I would put him at this point as a tie for thew favorite between Ward.....
In the beginning before we have seen what we have unravel thus far I would have said Bute was second
There he is, Miranda is finished and Bute will put a beat down on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
I am not sure how I feel about Bute. He gets knocked out by Andarde, then avenges the loss with a knockout(without Marlin Wright in his corner).
Now it looks like HBO is setting him up for a fight with Kelly Pavlik.
I think The Ring is out of line, by rating him #1 Super middle in the world.
Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
To be fair, Miranda has been working on his jab and used it very well in his last fight. I still think Bute takes him to school, but Miranda has been working on the right things and has been showing improvement.
Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?
Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.
A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now
kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me
I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Ward perhaps, Dirrell, Froch are getting mashed (in my opinion) so should Abraham if he doesn't get that big one punch knock flush on the button. Hopefully these are fights we'll see in a close future.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Lucian Bute would stop Carl Froch, beat Arthur Abraham over 12 rounds. He would also stop Andre Dirrell IMO, Jean Pascal is a toss up, because he keeps improving. But he's a Light Heavyweight not a Super Middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Mikkel Kessler is a toss up aswell, it all depends how much he has left. And im still not completely sold on Andre Ward either, he has been down and hurt before, and it may of been just a good style match up for Andre Ward, aswell as some well delivered headbutts.
I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?
Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.
And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?
Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.
So that means that CFH had it scored the same as me. We can't all be Bute fanboys Nameless ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessAnd that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.
He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.
I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.
Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.
Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.
Aside from the old Andrade/Bute debate, I think Bute beats all the 168lbers with ease apart from Ward, Dirrell & Abraham. He might beat those guys, but I'd fancy Ward & Dirrell to narrowly outpoint him & Abraham's power means it's always a 50/50 fight regardless of how good your chin is & Bute's is pretty good.