Lucian Bute

[JazMerkin]

I am not sure how I feel about Bute. He gets knocked out by Andarde, then avenges the loss with a knockout(without Marlin Wright in his corner).

Now it looks like HBO is setting him up for a fight with Kelly Pavlik.

I think The Ring is out of line, by rating him #1 Super middle in the world.

Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

[ICB]

I am not sure how I feel about Bute. He gets knocked out by Andarde, then avenges the loss with a knockout(without Marlin Wright in his corner).

Now it looks like HBO is setting him up for a fight with Kelly Pavlik.

I think The Ring is out of line, by rating him #1 Super middle in the world.

Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

[CFH]

Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

[Nameless]

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

[JazMerkin]

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

So that means that CFH had it scored the same as me. We can't all be Bute fanboys Nameless

[JazMerkin]

Aside from the old Andrade/Bute debate, I think Bute beats all the 168lbers with ease apart from Ward, Dirrell & Abraham. He might beat those guys, but I'd fancy Ward & Dirrell to narrowly outpoint him & Abraham's power means it's always a 50/50 fight regardless of how good your chin is & Bute's is pretty good.

[ICB]

Aside from the old Andrade/Bute debate, I think Bute beats all the 168lbers with ease apart from Ward, Dirrell & Abraham. He might beat those guys, but I'd fancy Ward & Dirrell to narrowly outpoint him & Abraham's power means it's always a 50/50 fight regardless of how good your chin is & Bute's is pretty good.

I think Andre Dirrell is quite fragile, he's been hurt in previous fights. And Lucian Bute does hit pretty hard, i think he would stop Andre Dirrell. And im quite confident in that prediction aswell.

As i said above im not completely sold on Andre Ward, his chin has been less than solid in the past. And he did have things going his way vs Mikkel Kessler, with the headbutts and ETC.

Plus it might of been just a perfect style match up, or maybe Andre Ward really is the real deal. We'll have to wait and see i guess.

[Nameless]

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

So that means that CFH had it scored the same as me. We can't all be Bute fanboys Nameless

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

[JazMerkin]

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

So a company that had no interest in the fight was somehow controlling the judges to spite InterBox?

I may be an Andrade fan, but I agree he was losing the fight and well. My criticisms of the fight were solely down to the refereeing throughout, nothing to do with Bute. Bute would have won and (again ignoring the controversial end) deservedly so. But, we've already shown that he didn't completely shutout Andrade for the prior 11 rounds because even you in all your Bute fandom have found another round that could be Andrade's. Thank you for proving my point, my good friend

[HattonTheHammer]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

[Nameless]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

Ward perhaps, Dirrell, Froch are getting mashed (in my opinion) so should Abraham if he doesn't get that big one punch knock flush on the button. Hopefully these are fights we'll see in a close future.

[ICB]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

Lucian Bute would stop Carl Froch, beat Arthur Abraham over 12 rounds. He would also stop Andre Dirrell IMO, Jean Pascal is a toss up, because he keeps improving. But he's a Light Heavyweight not a Super Middleweight.

Mikkel Kessler is a toss up aswell, it all depends how much he has left. And im still not completely sold on Andre Ward either, he has been down and hurt before, and it may of been just a good style match up for Andre Ward, aswell as some well delivered headbutts.

[DaxxKahn]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

If you think they all beat Bute then you have seen very very limited footage of Bute....Bute has more power then given credit for. He is awkward but not in an uncontrolled sense, he has great speed not RJJ SMW speed but certainly more then Froch, AA, Kessler....Dirrell is faster but not the finisher Bute is and not as accurate.....He spent the early part of his career comfortably at LHW so no one in the SMW could be considered a size problem for him...

Bute is the real deal....Make no mistakes about it...Right njow IMO the best fight in the division assuming Ward can keep up the momentum he started in the Kessler fight is Ward/Bute and it is a Pick em with the assumption the Kessler fight is not Wards swan song

I am a fan of the guy for sure....Sat behind him at the Froch/Taylor fight...He seemed very unimpressed and was very vocal on how the outcome of that fight would be if they ever met

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEhCEUJAL8&feature=fvst

[JazMerkin]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

If you think they all beat Bute then you have seen very very limited footage of Bute....Bute has more power then given credit for. He is awkward but not in an uncontrolled sense, he has great speed not RJJ SMW speed but certainly more then Froch, AA, Kessler....Dirrell is faster but not the finisher Bute is and not as accurate.....He spent the early part of his career comfortably at LHW so no one in the SMW could be considered a size problem for him...

Bute is the real deal....Make no mistakes about it...Right njow IMO the best fight in the division assuming Ward can keep up the momentum he started in the Kessler fight is Ward/Bute and it is a Pick em with the assumption the Kessler fight is not Wards swan song

I am a fan of the guy for sure....Sat behind him at the Froch/Taylor fight...He seemed very unimpressed and was very vocal on how the outcome of that fight would be if they ever met

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEhCEUJAL8&feature=fvst

I agree in the main. He's a much better puncher than people give him in credit for, particularly with his hooks to the body as demonstrated against Andrade.

I actually think Abraham is the toughest matchup for him, despite the body-punching skills. I think that Bute is vulnerable to a counter left hook from an orthodox fighter. Abraham explodes out with his and when Dirrell with all his athleticism was missing this by the skin of his teeth throughout their fight, I feel Bute would get caught.

I feel Dirrell & Abraham are 50/50 fights, I'd favour them to beat him marginally. I think Ward sets himself up for trouble against southpaws with the way he just holds his jab out as a measuring stick.

Bute would beat Kessler by decision similar to the Calzaghe fight & he would break Froch down in 4-5 rounds imo.

[DaxxKahn]

A hell of a lot of better 168 pounders out there right now. The division is one of the strongest in the sport right now

kessler, abraham, froch, ward, dirrell and pascal all take bute if you ask me

If you think they all beat Bute then you have seen very very limited footage of Bute....Bute has more power then given credit for. He is awkward but not in an uncontrolled sense, he has great speed not RJJ SMW speed but certainly more then Froch, AA, Kessler....Dirrell is faster but not the finisher Bute is and not as accurate.....He spent the early part of his career comfortably at LHW so no one in the SMW could be considered a size problem for him...

Bute is the real deal....Make no mistakes about it...Right njow IMO the best fight in the division assuming Ward can keep up the momentum he started in the Kessler fight is Ward/Bute and it is a Pick em with the assumption the Kessler fight is not Wards swan song

I am a fan of the guy for sure....Sat behind him at the Froch/Taylor fight...He seemed very unimpressed and was very vocal on how the outcome of that fight would be if they ever met

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEhCEUJAL8&feature=fvst

I agree in the main. He's a much better puncher than people give him in credit for, particularly with his hooks to the body as demonstrated against Andrade.

I actually think Abraham is the toughest matchup for him, despite the body-punching skills. I think that Bute is vulnerable to a counter left hook from an orthodox fighter. Abraham explodes out with his and when Dirrell with all his athleticism was missing this by the skin of his teeth throughout their fight, I feel Bute would get caught.

I feel Dirrell & Abraham are 50/50 fights, I'd favour them to beat him marginally. I think Ward sets himself up for trouble against southpaws with the way he just holds his jab out as a measuring stick.

Bute would beat Kessler by decision similar to the Calzaghe fight & he would break Froch down in 4-5 rounds imo.

Good assessments......I am in no way trying to act as though Bute walks through any of these guys because the SMW division is stacked right now...As for fighting AA that is NEVER a fight easy to pick...I still don't think we learned anything new about AA in the Dirrell fight except he came in and was surprised by the speed....AA has the ability to beat anyone in or around SMW with one shot landed correct....Plus the guy gets stronger as the fight wears on....

Just I in no way can comfortably say any of then beats Bute....I am still not exactly sure why he was not in the Super 6?....I think it is because he had contract obligations when the tourney was signed....Could be wrong though..

Anyone know exactly why?