Prime for Prime how do you see this one?
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Prime for Prime how do you see this one?
Good fight! I see a prime Danny taking punishment but coming back around rounds 8-9 to TKO Frank. I don't think Frank has the pressure to finish him off
I'm probably in the minority here.
bruno was beating lewis - who alot of people think was a top 10 all time heavy
thing with frank is, tbh probabyl with the exception of MASSIVE punchers, not to say lewis wasnt he could hold his own with almost anyone, until he got hit! so could be bruno in 2 or 3 or williams in 5 or 6 lol
but probs bruno ;)
A prime Bruno would batter Danny Williams.
It wouldn't go three rounds.
Danny Williams took a lot of punishment against a completely finished Mike Tyson, not a half way decent Mike, let alone prime.
Vitali is not a big one punch knockout guy and takes few risks.
Bruno hit with bombs and beat everyone outside of the elite world class.
Williams would be floored about half a dozen times before his corner saved him.
Danny Williams is seriously overrated, he beat an overly shot Mike Tyson who injured his ankle. The same version of Mike Tyson who lost to Kevin McBride.
Except for that what else did he do ? he got destroyed by Sinan Samil Sam. Went life and death with fighters like Julius Franics, Michael Sprott.
Frank Bruno only ever lost to world class fighters, and performed well in all of them.
He would of destroyed Danny Williams inside of 6 rounds, Frank Bruno wouldn't lose to anyone on Danny Williams resume except Vitali Klitschko.
Even if Danny went into the fight with a positive attitude and ready to fight, not something you could guarantee, Bruno beats him. Even if Danny was having a Mark Potter night the ref would have stopped it before Bruno would have been anywhere near running out of steam.
I'm not even contemplating picking against Frank, lovely fella. :)
The version of Lewis that fought Bruno is not the version of Lewis that made him great..Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Just to be fair to Lennox...
To answer the question though IMO Bruno would win after some rough moments...
The prime version of Tyson would have starched Williams in 2 IF it went that longQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't know Lewis would have been about 28/29 then and was probably in his absolute prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnThe version of Lewis that fought Bruno is not the version of Lewis that made him great..Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Just to be fair to Lennox...
To answer the question though IMO Bruno would win after some rough moments...
After that he started to get a bit lax resulting in his two KO losses.
Lewis in 93/94 was probably a peak Lewis. The big name fighters he beat after that were all pretty much past their best.
as much as i like danny, nice guy always has time to stop and chat...............but frank bruno's OUR FRANK, he'd beat williams inside 5 rounds
Easy Bruno lost to Tyson and Williams beat Tyson so Williams of course ;D
I know Snakey is talking in jest but I find it amazing that some of the others would think Danny Williams would beat Frank.
I mean Frank Bruno only lost to 3 fighters, all of whom would probably rule the division if around in their primes right now. He was also virtually impossible to beat on points. Only Tyson was ever ahead on the scorecards early against him.
Witherspoon had to wear him down in the late rounds and Lewis was behind at the point of the stoppage.
No fighter short of elite ever beat him.
Meanwhile Danny Williams got knocked out by Samil Sam, Albert Sosnowski and Audley Harrison. He lost to Julius Francis for feck's sake ;D
I can't see him giving Frank Bruno any problems whatsoever, Bruno would have beaten him easily.
Bruno vs Gary Mason is a much more interesting fight imo.
I think Bruno and Mason are easily our best heavies of the last 20 years, discounting the great Canadian/American/Jamacian/Brit Lennox Lewis of course.
Gary Mason vs Frank Bruno would of been great, two huge punchers going at it. Gary Mason did hold some good wins over Tyrell Biggs, James Tillis. Shame that his career ended before it even really got started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think he gave Lennox Lewis a very rough/tough fight, but his eye was a mess and it had to be stopped.
But back on topic i couldn't agree with you more, could you imagine Danny Williams fighting Lennox Lewis, Tim Witherspoon, Bonecrusher Smith, Prime Mike Tyson ?
Honestly he would of been lucky, to have seen the 2nd round with most of em.
Bruno tko 1
Totally different level fighters. Bruno was at least a world level fighter, just not world class, williams was just a British/European level fighter who was lucky enough to fight a very shot legend and beat him. It would be a long painful night for Danny IMO with a KO arriving in around 8th or 9th.
Shame you couldn't cross these fighters though, Williams had great recovery and determination to see out a fight once hurt, whereas Bruno lacked these but had more in the skill department and i'd say had the better power (although Danny could punch).
I agree with most that Bruno would tear him a new one!!
Good call by Baggins on Gary Mason. Mason v Bruno would've been very interesting and very hard to pick. I'd lean towards Bruno in that one aswell!
Bruno was a world Champ and beat a good fighter in oliver Mccall the only thing Danny ever did was beat a shot shell tyson and get hammered by Klit and Audley.
Bruno every time.
Williams couldn't handle the Bruno Sledgehammer
silly question
Bruno in his prime would have him out of there inside a round
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Originally Posted by BilboI don't know Lewis would have been about 28/29 then and was probably in his absolute prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnThe version of Lewis that fought Bruno is not the version of Lewis that made him great..Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Just to be fair to Lennox...
To answer the question though IMO Bruno would win after some rough moments...
After that he started to get a bit lax resulting in his two KO losses.
Lewis in 93/94 was probably a peak Lewis. The big name fighters he beat after that were all pretty much past their best.
You are going to try and seriously say the version of Lewis that fought Bruno was the best version of him?
You speak of nothing you know about....
Golota had just been named the terror of HW boxing with his 2 beatdowns of Bowe...Bowe was going to lose if not for the DQ..
Tua had only lost to Ibeabuchi
Grant undefeated and being proclaimed the future of HW boxing
Botha had only lost to Tyson (Who he was beating tiol he got caught) and
Moorer (who was only beaten once at the time buy upset over Foreman)
Mercer was dangerous had never been down at this point
Akinwande was undefeated
Morrison was on a 9 fight win streak
Briggs was well Briggs never mind...
Holyfield had lost only to Moorer and Bowe..
Sorry the 93/94 being the best Lewis does not fly
I think you're overating all of those guys to be honest Daxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't know Lewis would have been about 28/29 then and was probably in his absolute prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
After that he started to get a bit lax resulting in his two KO losses.
Lewis in 93/94 was probably a peak Lewis. The big name fighters he beat after that were all pretty much past their best.
You are going to try and seriously say the version of Lewis that fought Bruno was the best version of him?
You speak of nothing you know about....
Golota had just been named the terror of HW boxing with his 2 beatdowns of Bowe...Bowe was going to lose if not for the DQ..
Tua had only lost to Ibeabuchi
Grant undefeated and being proclaimed the future of HW boxing
Botha had only lost to Tyson (Who he was beating tiol he got caught) and
Moorer (who was only beaten once at the time buy upset over Foreman)
Mercer was dangerous had never been down at this point
Akinwande was undefeated
Morrison was on a 9 fight win streak
Briggs was well Briggs never mind...
Holyfield had lost only to Moorer and Bowe..
Sorry the 93/94 being the best Lewis does not fly
You only have to look at Lewis from that time and compare him to the Lewis of a few years later to see he was at least in his physical prime.
Yes he had some of his biggest wins later in his career but you can't convince me that he wasn't in his physical prime from around 28/30 years old
Bruno fought a Lennox Lewis in his physical prime. Go and rewatch the fights, just look at his body back then, he was a lean physical speciman.
Bruno was far better and his management team really put him in with poor fighters after his defeat to Witherspoon. Bruno would have beaten Danny and Mason but think he would have lost to Horice Notice.
Bruno was a decent fighter he would of been to much for Williams.
How can they be his biggest wins but the fighters be overrated?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think you're overating all of those guys to be honest Daxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
You are going to try and seriously say the version of Lewis that fought Bruno was the best version of him?
You speak of nothing you know about....
Golota had just been named the terror of HW boxing with his 2 beatdowns of Bowe...Bowe was going to lose if not for the DQ..
Tua had only lost to Ibeabuchi
Grant undefeated and being proclaimed the future of HW boxing
Botha had only lost to Tyson (Who he was beating tiol he got caught) and
Moorer (who was only beaten once at the time buy upset over Foreman)
Mercer was dangerous had never been down at this point
Akinwande was undefeated
Morrison was on a 9 fight win streak
Briggs was well Briggs never mind...
Holyfield had lost only to Moorer and Bowe..
Sorry the 93/94 being the best Lewis does not fly
You only have to look at Lewis from that time and compare him to the Lewis of a few years later to see he was at least in his physical prime.
Yes he had some of his biggest wins later in his career but you can't convince me that he wasn't in his physical prime from around 28/30 years old
Bruno fought a Lennox Lewis in his physical prime. Go and rewatch the fights, just look at his body back then, he was a lean physical speciman.
How tight a physique is does not determine skill set...(If that is the case Arreola has yet to hit puberty)
I have every fight of Lewis on DVD he is my All time favorite HW and second all time favorite fighter....This is the reason why I feel comfortable with my argument....
Lennox may have been more fit in terms of appearence but look at his older fights the Bruno one in particular since this is the one we are debating on...
Notice Lewis was not as controlled, he did not have the composure that made him so good later on...Lewis swung to much for the fences...Look at how many shots he misses in the finish of Bruno alone....
Lennox Lewis of 2000 did not go in swinging wildly he took his time and took his opp apart...He fought tall used his reach and jab like no one else in the division.....
The HW division of the 1990's is considered by many to be the second strongest era of HW boxing outside of the 1970's...
These guys may have fizzled out in the long run but many of them up until Lewis were either on top of their game or considered to be the nest big thing....
The lesser guys of then would beat just about anyone but the Grimm Brothers today....
The 1990's versions of Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Holyfield and Moorer certainly are steps above Chambers, Arreola, Povetkin, Chagaev etc.....
Haye would not be the WBA champion that is for sure
It's interesting though that of all the names you mentioned only Mercer and Akinwande were much over 30 when they fought Lewis, and in both cases that marked the end of their effective careers, neither won world titles after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHow can they be his biggest wins but the fighters be overrated?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think you're overating all of those guys to be honest Daxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
You only have to look at Lewis from that time and compare him to the Lewis of a few years later to see he was at least in his physical prime.
Yes he had some of his biggest wins later in his career but you can't convince me that he wasn't in his physical prime from around 28/30 years old
Bruno fought a Lennox Lewis in his physical prime. Go and rewatch the fights, just look at his body back then, he was a lean physical speciman.
How tight a physique is does not determine skill set...(If that is the case Arreola has yet to hit puberty)
I have every fight of Lewis on DVD he is my All time favorite HW and second all time favorite fighter....This is the reason why I feel comfortable with my argument....
Lennox may have been more fit in terms of appearence but look at his older fights the Bruno one in particular since this is the one we are debating on...
Notice Lewis was not as controlled, he did not have the composure that made him so good later on...Lewis swung to much for the fences...Look at how many shots he misses in the finish of Bruno alone....
Lennox Lewis of 2000 did not go in swinging wildly he took his time and took his opp apart...He fought tall used his reach and jab like no one else in the division.....
The HW division of the 1990's is considered by many to be the second strongest era of HW boxing outside of the 1970's...
These guys may have fizzled out in the long run but many of them up until Lewis were either on top of their game or considered to be the nest big thing....
The lesser guys of then would beat just about anyone but the Grimm Brothers today....
The 1990's versions of Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Holyfield and Moorer certainly are steps above Chambers, Arreola, Povetkin, Chagaev etc.....
Haye would not be the WBA champion that is for sure
Most of them were in their late twenties when they were in their primes (according to you) and fought Lennox.
Lennox was a great fighter, he'd have won those fights at 28/29 as well as at 33/34.
Very much like Calzaghe he got his biggest fights late on in his career, but that doesn't mean he wasn't as good if not better earlier on.
Bruno went in with an extrememly dangerous Lennox Lewis who was 29 years old. He wasn't green or inexperienced, he was a world class fighter then too.
I always break Lennox career into 2 phases....Pre Steward and Post Steward...Why my example of his being wild early on then as he got older he became more patient, accurate etc.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIt's interesting though that of all the names you mentioned only Mercer and Akinwande were much over 30 when they fought Lewis, and in both cases that marked the end of their effective careers, neither won world titles after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHow can they be his biggest wins but the fighters be overrated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
How tight a physique is does not determine skill set...(If that is the case Arreola has yet to hit puberty)
I have every fight of Lewis on DVD he is my All time favorite HW and second all time favorite fighter....This is the reason why I feel comfortable with my argument....
Lennox may have been more fit in terms of appearence but look at his older fights the Bruno one in particular since this is the one we are debating on...
Notice Lewis was not as controlled, he did not have the composure that made him so good later on...Lewis swung to much for the fences...Look at how many shots he misses in the finish of Bruno alone....
Lennox Lewis of 2000 did not go in swinging wildly he took his time and took his opp apart...He fought tall used his reach and jab like no one else in the division.....
The HW division of the 1990's is considered by many to be the second strongest era of HW boxing outside of the 1970's...
These guys may have fizzled out in the long run but many of them up until Lewis were either on top of their game or considered to be the nest big thing....
The lesser guys of then would beat just about anyone but the Grimm Brothers today....
The 1990's versions of Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Holyfield and Moorer certainly are steps above Chambers, Arreola, Povetkin, Chagaev etc.....
Haye would not be the WBA champion that is for sure
Most of them were in their late twenties when they were in their primes (according to you) and fought Lennox.
Lennox was a great fighter, he'd have won those fights at 28/29 as well as at 33/34.
Very much like Calzaghe he got his biggest fights late on in his career, but that doesn't mean he wasn't as good if not better earlier on.
Bruno went in with an extrememly dangerous Lennox Lewis who was 29 years old. He wasn't green or inexperienced, he was a world class fighter then too.
Kind of the same way as Wlad (NO I AM IN NO WAY COMPARING WLAD TO LENNOX PRIME FOR PRIME WLAD SEE'S RING LIGHT FROM HEAVEN EVERY TIME)
But Like Lewis since Steward Wlad has changed for the better,,,He is not so panicked by getting caught by big shots (Though he is still a bit gun shy) he is more relaxed and lets his opp do his work for him....He doesn't chase his guy he stalks patiently using the minimum effort while getting the maximum results....
...really? I mean Oliver was just durable and had some pop he was never that good, just right place right time.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
I think Frank Bruno was everything except smart (he never learned how to survive) and durable (which is more of a comment on his survival instinct instead of a dig on his chin)...I think Williams just gets battered pillar to post by a prime Bruno who hit hard enough to rock a prime Mike Tyson (the 1st ever to do so).
When I think Bruno, I put him (justly or unjustly depending on your own opinion) on par with the likes of Hasim Rahman, Donovan Rudduck, and Tommy Morrison....and if those guys ever fought those would have been awesome matches (had they shared the same era). I also thought Bruno vs Holyfield/Bowe would have been nice as neither guy fought Prime big time punchers that often (if at all in Bowe's case)
I actually think a prime Bruno Dominate today's division.
Bruno would be the 3rd best heavyweight around if he was in his prime right now.
Bruno would have destroyed Wlad. Fact.
And Frank would have definitely smashed Williams... till he gassed and Danny unleashed the Brixton fury
What in a Jumbo Cummings fashion ;D
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Originally Posted by Fenster
What..in a Jumbo Cummings fashion? ;D
Agree he'd have put Wlad away with ease
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What..in a Jumbo Cummings fashion? ;D
Agree he'd have put Wlad away with ease
The Jumbo moment was everyone realised this guy might not be the bollocks ;D
Just because Bruno gave Lewis a fight (because Lennox was dogging it) doesn't mean Bruno would offer Wlad any trouble.
That's true Lyle,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
but just because you're in this thread means Bruno would have killed Wlad.
Horace Notice would have beaten them all.;)
I've enjoyed watching many Bruno and Williams fights - the ups and downs, triumph's and disasters and it would be an entertaining fight. Not sure, I can predict how the fight would turn out as even Danny never knew which version of himself turned up.
But Bruno with that ramrod jab would win and more likely by Ko around the mid rounds.