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Can't I just say welterweight champ?
It's never going to happen.
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Originally Posted by miles
But wow if it did!!
Doubt it will happen as mosleys been in with some big men and took there shots. If it did however we'd really have to give mayweather his just dues. Because I think it would be a great achievement.
well it'd mean more than that, apart from Forrest who has really hurt Mosley? the guy has a beer keg for a chin, so IMO if Floyd manages to stop him it would say alotQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
i doubt it's going to happen either, my prediction is a UD for Mayweather, but this is boxing and anything can happen any given night, so it's not impossibleQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Youd have to give props to Floyd but you would ask questions of Mosley as a couple of decades ago he wouldnt have been stopped.
Why would you ask that? He hasn't even been slightly rattled against Cotto, Margarito or Mayorga and this is all recent.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
For the record I don't see how it's possible to get a stoppage, so I would be very impressed.
My reply is this, Mayweather has been in the right place at the right time since he left the super featherweight division. Picking and choosing some people that had one foot on a banana peel and the other on a grave. I'm not a fan which is obvious but I respect his talent and the you have to admire. He did not do as well as can be expected with a fading a fading DeLaHoya and Marquez was much to small but he toyed with him because he could not Kayo him. I'm not saying he's not great or has that potential but man to man even a fading Mosley that ha been full of surprises can be dangerous. Mosley also has great stamina and now Floyd has one thing to prove. Does he have the will to win? Can he be impressive against a man with equal skills if not the disadvantages in years? Will Floyd have to absorb a real puncher's blows with speed nearly like his own? What's the date of the match?
I don't think Floyd winning would be a reason to say Mosley got old overnight (although many will)
But stopping him? Put it this way, I'm not going to be able to see it unless things change, if I come home late Saturday night and go online and see Floyd TKO the very first thing I will think is Mosley got old. Because while I can see Floyd beating a prime or even slightly post-prime Mosley I can't see him stopping him.
If the impossible happens...Floyd would be in the drivers seat big time while he tried to land a fight with Manny. I'd give him his due as well...that's for sure. But even if Floyd has the opportunity to go for a stoppage/knockout, history says he won't go for it.
Even more to the point, he was trying to KO JMM and couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
Well...a cut...a bs wobble stoppage?
First thing I'd do is check Mosleys blood for food poisoning.I dont think Floyd has the desire to earn that ko personally.
Mosley's punch resistance has totally gone.
No way does Floyd stop Mosley though, Mosley has always been very durable.
I think its overlooked the rights that Marquez was able to get into range on him.Yeh he was owning the fight big time,but that right hand was getting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepEven more to the point, he was trying to KO JMM and couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
anyone that voted mosley was done is retarded. Shane is still a world class athlete
if floyd was to stop him (not gonna happen) i indeed would bow down to his superiority as the greatest p4p fighter in the world
i disagree with the other post and IMO Mayweather could have stopped Marquez any point in the fight after the 2nd round, and as for the right hand, i think he landed it so much more cause it didn't bother Floyd more than anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI think its overlooked the rights that Marquez was able to get into range on him.Yeh he was owning the fight big time,but that right hand was getting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepEven more to the point, he was trying to KO JMM and couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
Dont think it would happen if it did i dont think hed be P4P King onless he fights Pacman and stops him again is that going to happen? i dont think.... Omp i Would say Mosley SD as i Respect the man
Floyd KO'ing Mosley is already bigger than ANYTHING Pacquiao has done at welterweightQuote:
Originally Posted by rowza
Could have and actually doing it are two different things entirely.Especially with the prospects of a Manny fight on the table and Marquezs relation to both....a tko would have been a huge notch up.Floyd was at least two weight classes above him,sure he may have coasted and carrying Marquez but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi disagree with the other post and IMO Mayweather could have stopped Marquez any point in the fight after the 2nd round, and as for the right hand, i think he landed it so much more cause it didn't bother Floyd more than anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI think its overlooked the rights that Marquez was able to get into range on him.Yeh he was owning the fight big time,but that right hand was getting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
To me that says even less of him.Hes also to smart to 'except' clean punches,regardless of effect.Marquez was seeing spots in there and Floyd settled,as he does mostly.
oh i agree, i'm just saying that a lot of people bring up the Marquez fight as if it were due to a lack of power, IMO that's not the case, it's just how Mayweather is, and i doubt very much that he is gonna get the stoppage against Mosley, the fight i do see him winning by stoppage is against Pacquiao, and i wouldn't be shocked if Roach himself ends up being the one to throw in the towelQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliCould have and actually doing it are two different things entirely.Especially with the prospects of a Manny fight on the table and Marquezs relation to both....a tko would have been a huge notch up.Floyd was at least two weight classes above him,sure he may have coasted and carrying Marquez but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi disagree with the other post and IMO Mayweather could have stopped Marquez any point in the fight after the 2nd round, and as for the right hand, i think he landed it so much more cause it didn't bother Floyd more than anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
To me that says even less of him.Hes also to smart to 'except' clean punches,regardless of effect.Marquez was seeing spots in there and Floyd settled,as he does mostly.
I hate this shithead with the passion of 2 lovers at the romantic era but if ever he knocks down a man that has never been knocked down before and against much more powerful punchers... well, I will have to scream to the moon like a wolf: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo", lose permanently some sanity, curb down all shivering in the darkest corner of my room with some saliva dripping from the left side of my mouth and then, admit the fact to myself with the help of a psychologist and some medication and finally, give him some credit... with the help of a bit more medication.:-\
if floyd KO's shane I say...
So what.
Floyd is the proven drug free pound for pound best fighter on the planet and he's just Ko'ed the best fighter he could fight in his division. It's just an extra legacy boosting point on his already brilliant CV.
Would I be surprised? of course not.
What's a pacman?
Well I would give Floyd alot of credit for knocking out Mosley hell even if he knocked him down I would say is the best welterweight in the world. Do I think it will happen..... hell no.
Mosley is not Marquez, he is bigger and he's been a junior middleweight who is now a welterweight. He has pop in his punch and faster than Marquez that even though outclassed and out gunned still got Mayweather with some rights. Mayweather could not knock out a man that was made to order for him and I will say one thing, I wouldn't be surprised to see his butt on the canvas. Mosley was written off after Cotto but look what happened when an experienced corner and an experienced fighter uses intelligence against youth and brute force with good stamina to kayo a man labeled a destructive force in the welterweight division. Floyd should be wondering if that same man that took out Margarito is the one that shows up fight night.
Anything can happen and considering my recent experiences with 'he can't be stopped' (Margarito, Andrade, Urango), I'm hesitant to go there again, but fuck it, Mosley can't be stopped, not by Mayweather.
If he somehow does though, it doesn't make Shane shot or old overnight. It just means that the first option is true. But it won't happen.
It makes him P4P number 1 IMO, Shane Mosley even at this stage in his career. Is a dangerous/live fighter, and he has a ATG chin. Plus Shane Mosley is P4P number 3 at that moment, so stopping a P4P number 3 fighter. Would surely make him P4P number 1 wouldn't it ?
....it means the same thing floyd wins always mean. Mosely was old, shot, sick, not focused, lost his watch before the fight etc....etc. Floyd could knock shane's head clear off his body, and people won't credit him for the win they'll just continue to talk about what he hasn't done. Then they'll put shane's head back on pac will fight him, win and the the boxing world will act like it's the greatest thing they've ever seen. It's always the same. Reason why i wish he would have just stayed retired in the first place
I really don't think its possible. I believe MOsley was hurt against Forrest after that headbutt, and Forrest landed some huge right hands on him. Judging by the COtto fight I think Mosley due to greater relaxation is even harder to hurt.
If Mayweather ko's Mosley all it means to me is that he needs to face Pacquiao and then we could really see who deserves to be in the top 10 p4p all time.
IMO it will be impossible for a modern fighter regardless of what they accomplish to become p4p #1 simply because there is too great an attachment to the greats of old, and the sport has changed (multiple belts in each division, fewer fights, a lot less hype for most fighters).
Right.Its that 'content' mentality that has often accompanied him as I see it.I do hope he is looking as far ahead to Manny as some others are with Mosley still to be dealt with ;).Shane is a still formidable foe and not one to be over looked.Hes as real a threat as Mayweather has faced in his career and Floyd gets credit should he win in my book.Manny and Mayweather will have to wait.Now Manny vs Mosley,stylistically loving that clash!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesoh i agree, i'm just saying that a lot of people bring up the Marquez fight as if it were due to a lack of power, IMO that's not the case, it's just how Mayweather is, and i doubt very much that he is gonna get the stoppage against Mosley, the fight i do see him winning by stoppage is against Pacquiao, and i wouldn't be shocked if Roach himself ends up being the one to throw in the towelQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliCould have and actually doing it are two different things entirely.Especially with the prospects of a Manny fight on the table and Marquezs relation to both....a tko would have been a huge notch up.Floyd was at least two weight classes above him,sure he may have coasted and carrying Marquez but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
To me that says even less of him.Hes also to smart to 'except' clean punches,regardless of effect.Marquez was seeing spots in there and Floyd settled,as he does mostly.
I think Pac has the greatest chance to become a top 3 all time, and it could be possible for Mayweather too. If Pac beat Floyd then won a 154 belt, it would be hard to argue against him being one of the greatest of all time. Similiar if Floyd beat Mosely, then Pac, then say Martinez at 160, all the time remaining undefeated, who could argue against him being one of the greatest of all time? I agree its hard for modern fighters to do but we have 2 with as much chance as any around at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It depends on how he stops him..well then no it doesn't. Because shane would have to be really getting his ass whooped for the ref to step in esp considering that shane's instinct is to immediately throw back whenever hit with something hard. So if shane is not throwing then he's getting his asswhooped. And if Floyd knocks him out cold, it'd be the most surprising thing in the history of boxing. A chronic hand problem non-kayo puncher knocking out one of the most durable fighters of all time. I'd almost say the fix was on.
Man floyd would never shut up..EVER!!!!
He's without a doubt the #1 p4p best, and a sure ATG
Whether he stops Mosley or not. He will beat him.
A Floyd stoppage win means someone best check his gloves for the horseshoe.
Sorry not enough options..
How about he's NOT p4p #1 (right next to pac-juice!)
He IS an ATG by Ko-ing Mosley and decisioning Oscar (has anyone else beat both of them?)
Floyd has no killer instinct, he will never knock Mosley down in a million rounds. It would take a lot of flush punches in a row to get Mosley off his feet
This will be a boring ass fight for sure. One guy wants to punch; one guy wants to squat and freeze like he's about to lay a ostrich egg. NazRich is right there will be a lot of adjustments being made, but the fight is going to go one way and that's at Floyd's pace.
can't be anymore of a stinker than Pacquiao/ClotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds