Where is this secret footage that shows Floyd being faster then Manny?

I hear this all the time usually from posters who ask questions like Where can I sign up to wipe Floyds ass...I don't see it...Especially right now at this point in their careers...Yes Floyd is fast but not Pacquiao fast....Shit opponents they have in common don't think Floyd is as fast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2w4nJlk0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYgDfDIkR0

Now looking at both videos I do not see whare Floyds speed is greater then Manny's....The only thing Faster when matched up is the fact the common opponents fall quicker for Manny then Floyd:o

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

I think Floyd's main strength regarding his punching is his accuracy and timing. He's ridiculously fast, but his accuracy and knowing what punch to throw when is what makes him such an excellent puncher. IMO at least.

Yeah Pacquiao is faster for sure...but he doesn't have the boxing brain of Floyd..it's improved but still nowhere near that level.

Timing beats speed..ask Vernon Forrest (RIP)

Mayweather is faster. That's obvious. His speed is amazing. Pacquiao is fast. But he's been made to look even faster than he really is cuz of all the slow fighters he's been facing. Clottey. Hatton. Old De La Hoya. Compared to them Pacquiao seems to be operating at warp speed. Mayweather speed was proven when he faced another fast fighter in Mosley.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Mayweather is faster. That's obvious. His speed is amazing. Pacquiao is fast. But he's been made to look even faster than he really is cuz of all the slow fighters he's been facing. Clottey. Hatton. Old De La Hoya. Compared to them Pacquiao seems to be operating at warp speed. Mayweather speed was proven when he faced another fast fighter in Mosley.

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and they say Floyd cherry picks...

no doubt that mayweather jr. has faster hands than pacquiao. not only that, he's got better ring intelligence, reflexes and defense. pacquiao's boxing ability has improved but he still gets tagged way too many times to be anywhere as intelligent as mayweather jr..

I think Floyd has a faster left jab and a quicker one punch from the hip. The other thing that helps Floyd is his amazing body control. Pacquiao has a faster combination punch than Floyd. His combination punches come from different angles and have surprising accuracy. Their foot work is comparable as far as speed is concerned.

So each fighter has his own speed advantage. There is only way to resolve the opinions.

Both fighters are accurate. But Floyd averages only 37 punches per round, and throws them conventionally. Manny averages 96 punches per round, and throws them in so many weird angles. If you'd do the math, I think the numbers will speak for it self.

...heck, Manny even has the ability to dart in and land both right hook and left hook at the same time and dart out quickly to avoid counter. Lol!

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

no doubt that mayweather jr. has faster hands than pacquiao. not only that, he's got better ring intelligence, reflexes and defense. pacquiao's boxing ability has improved but he still gets tagged way too many times to be anywhere as intelligent as mayweather jr..

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I agree with the over all speed part because Floyd has better over all movement and in ring control but IMO just going on hand speed Manny is faster...

Opinions are opionions and like fan johnny says there is only one way to prove it

Floyd is fast in pot shot jab and its really accurate.

Manny is really fast in flurry / combination.

Floyd is faster in single shots. Manny's faster in combos. At least that's how it looks when I watch them fight in slow motion.

In my opinion Floyd is faster.

I am no floyd fan either, I like Manny better as a fighter because he is willing to fight anyone, has a more exciting style and isnt afraid to lose. I think Floyd should have fought Hatton at 140 when Floyd was moving up, Cotto and Margs when they were both at the top of their game. Hopefully this proves I am no Floyd hugger.

BUT I think Manny leaves himself open and is troubled by a fast slick counter puncher ala JMM. And there is no one slicker and faster than the Money Man. Also Floyd is careful and patient.

As the old saying goes styles make fights and Manny is made for Floyd's style. I will be hoping Manny pulls out the win but see a pretty one sided beatdown by Floyd.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Floyd is faster in single shots. Manny's faster in combos. At least that's how it looks when I watch them fight in slow motion.

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Actually, I would tend to agree with that affirmation. NOw as to who's better... let's pit them and see:)

Pacquiao has slightly quicker hands especially when he throws in combinations but Mayweather's timing and accuracy is better.

Marquez wasn't faster than Pacquiao but his superior accuracy and timing caused Pacquiao hell and made Pacquiao's superior handspeed sort of irrevelant.

I see it being the same with Floyd but with Floyd being faster, bigger and better defensively than Marquez, i see Pacquiao having even more trouble.

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i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

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Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

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Both fighters are accurate. But Floyd averages only 37 punches per round, and throws them conventionally. Manny averages 96 punches per round, and throws them in so many weird angles. If you'd do the math, I think the numbers will speak for it self.

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Pay attention to the question.

just because pacquiao throws over 90 punches per round and floyd jr. averages 37 means absolutely nothing. what counts is the quality of those punches. and if one looks at their records, mayweather jr. is the undefeated fighter with the superior boxing skills, who has never been stopped and/or kayoed by mediocre fighters.

I think what makes Floyd so tough for someone like Manny is that Floyd has the ability to pick off a punch and counter with power and IMMEDIATELY move out of the danger zone.

To beat Floyd, Pacquiao will have to avoid flush counters AND avoid the clinch if he ends up hurting Floyd.

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

just because pacquiao throws over 90 punches per round and floyd jr. averages 37 means absolutely nothing. what counts is the quality of those punches. and if one looks at their records, mayweather jr. is the undefeated fighter with the superior boxing skills, who has never been stopped and/or kayoed by mediocre fighters.

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Manny was 18 and 110lbs his first KO loss by KO was to Singsurat who at the time was no ordinary mediocre fighter

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! ;D You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you! ;D

daxx,

it doesn't matter that pacquiao was just 18 yo. and only 110 lbs., the fact is this, he got blown away by singurat or whatever his name is, got blown away by the filipino journeyman, rustico torrecampo, got a long count (17 seconds) courtesy of filipino referee, carlos padilla, after pacquiao got knocked down, against nedal hussein, wanted to quit against the late agapito sanchez, got two gift decisions against marquez, got hurt by a much smaller oscar larios, lost to a very much past his prime, erik morales, who by the way was coming off a loss in a very thrilling but exhausting trilogy against barrera, fought and beat up an old, dangerously weight drained, oscar and made miguel cotto fight at a catchweight for cotto's welterweight title. pacquiao might have an outstanding record but when you scrutinize it, it has many holes and question marks. aside from the castillo fights, mayweather has had his way with every opponent he's fought. his fights haven't created any controversies like pacquiao's fights have because he's beaten everyone rather easily with zero doubts. it funny how people claim mayweather jr. refuses to fight bigger opponents than he. didn't he start off his career at super featherweight, win a title there, and gone up to 154 and win a title there? that's 24 lbs. north of where he won his first title! so it's crazy to say he's ducked bigger fighters than he because facts are facts!

it's easy to say mayweather jr. hasn't fought EVERY top fighters like margarito, vernon forrest, paul williams, etc...but the same can be said about pacquiao's refusal to fight fighters like joan guzman, humberto soto, joel casamayor, juan diaz and so on, when he was at the lighter weights. instead, he fought older, ready to retire fighters like morales and barrera, after they were through with their trilogy. he even picked on the much smaller larios at super featherweight when larios was a lifetime super bantamweight and almost got knocked out!!! like mayweather, he didn't take chances either in risking defeat by fighting other difficult, younger and in their prime fighters.

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daxx,

it doesn't matter that pacquiao was just 18 yo. and only 110 lbs., the fact is this, he got blown away by singurat or whatever his name is, got blown away by the filipino journeyman, rustico torrecampo, got a long count (17 seconds) courtesy of filipino referee, carlos padilla, after pacquiao got knocked down, against nedal hussein, wanted to quit against the late agapito sanchez, got two gift decisions against marquez, got hurt by a much smaller oscar larios, lost to a very much past his prime, erik morales, who by the way was coming off a loss in a very thrilling but exhausting trilogy against barrera, fought and beat up an old, dangerously weight drained, oscar and made miguel cotto fight at a catchweight for cotto's welterweight title. pacquiao might have an outstanding record but when you scrutinize it, it has many holes and question marks. aside from the castillo fights, mayweather has had his way with every opponent he's fought. his fights haven't created any controversies like pacquiao's fights have because he's beaten everyone rather easily with zero doubts. it funny how people claim mayweather jr. refuses to fight bigger opponents than he. didn't he start off his career at super featherweight, win a title there, and gone up to 154 and win a title there? that's 24 lbs. north of where he won his first title! so it's crazy to say he's ducked bigger fighters than he because facts are facts!

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OH I understand now you mean like Mayweather fighting a drained Corrales who was having highly publicized personal problems when they met, squeeked by one of the two fights against JLC that many gave JLC the win, in the other JLC barely made weight, picked the weakest of all the champion Gatti to face at 140 because he knew Gatti was slower had shitty defense and cut like tissue paper, bragged about a win over Carlos Baldomir who was so slow you could take a lunch break during a combo and make it back for the last punch, was rocked by a mind fragile Judah, could only get a SD against DLH the same DLH that Pacquiao beat up a year later who had zero punishment between the bouts, fought Hatton at a weight Hatton was given nothing but gift decisions when he fought there, took 2 years off to face a much smaller LMM the same JMM who had 1 fight as a lw before moving up 2 divisions, the fight at LW against Jdiaz he was battered more often then not, then bragged about the win claiming it had nothing to do with trying to figure out a gauge measure for Pacquiao, the same Mayweather who could care less about steroid use for the JMM fight but decides in just 2 months time he needs to clean up the sport by requesting Manny take PED test....Is this the Mayweather we are so high up on?

The same Mayweather who made 1 defense of his WW title against Hatton the same Hatton thsat struggled with Lazcano and Collazo, the Same Mayweather that could have faced Williams, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Clottey, Lujan, Collazo, or any other fighter in the top 20 but stated there was no one left to fight so he retired?

Is this the Floyd?

The same Mayweather who states he only fights for money but then will talk out the other side of his face about wanting to be the best ever?

The same Floyd Mayweather JR that swears up and down he is Gangsta and has Violent Demise do internet research on how Gangsters talk so he can use it in interviews for HBO or youtube shorts...Yet Even his own uncle Jeff acknowleged that Floyd grew up in the suburbs with his Grandmother...Is this the Mayweather we are bragging about?

I just want to make sure we are on the same page because your Mayweather walks on water the one I know doesn't

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Pacquiao has slightly quicker hands especially when he throws in combinations but Mayweather's timing and accuracy is better.

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This is pretty much what I was going to post. :mad:;)

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i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

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Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

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yea i'm sure you would rather have Pacquiao beat retired guys like Chavez and Taylor, or guys who won't beat the shit out of him, cause that's what Mayweather will do

and so what if he only throws 30 punches a round, with how bad Manny misses and how sharp Mayweather's defense and reflexes are, every shot within those 30 punches thrown by Floyd will be more effective than ANYTHING Pacquiao does, Manny still misses alot, and still gets hit alot, so his punch output wont help him one bit

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

As fast as Pacquiao is Marquez shut the new and improved with a right hook version down. You don't need speed to shut down speed and Mayweather is a better boxer who hits harder then Marquez and is naturally bigger.

its the ultimate hugger vs. hater thread!! ;D


i'm enjoying here, seriously;)

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We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! ;D You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you! ;D

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What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-33qEEFxg

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We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! ;D You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you! ;D

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What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-33qEEFxg

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Good vid. I wish HBO would update it and add those 4 previous fights of his.

Floyd has quicker reflex DEFENSIVELY. He mastered the shoulder roll technic and lunches quick counter, but that's all he got, it's all repetition. And Roach knows that.

Once Pac finds out that he can take Mayweather's punch, then he's gonna force a fight. Manny have to put him in awkward situation like he does to his many opponents. That's his main key imo.

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

adamGB,

i absolutely agree with your assessment. mayweather doesn't need to throw punches in bunches because he's too accurate and doesn't need to. great boxing incite!

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We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! ;D You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you! ;D

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What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-33qEEFxg

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Because Barerra, Morales Hatton and Cotto have the same defenses as Floyd and PBF will stand still and let Pacquiao throw while not moving at all right? :)

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its the ultimate hugger vs. hater thread!! ;D


i'm enjoying here, seriously;)

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I've been viewing this thread since it was posted but never decided to post.

I with you on this one, I'm enjoying the ride!

my gut feeling is telling me that pacman will win on points, if it goes to the cards, but Floyd got as much skill as pacman, been in as many wars, only been stopped by the plasterer lol so in short pacmans got the speed to pull it on points but i see in my mind Floyd possibly being to strong, not necessarily in physicality but will, and forcing pacman to fight like a dog, and hes not been hit hard yet at wether so we never know lol its a tough one, whats your thoughts onthe haye maker and his future?

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I hear this all the time usually from posters who ask questions like Where can I sign up to wipe Floyds ass...I don't see it...Especially right now at this point in their careers...Yes Floyd is fast but not Pacquiao fast....Shit opponents they have in common don't think Floyd is as fast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2w4nJlk0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYgDfDIkR0

Now looking at both videos I do not see whare Floyds speed is greater then Manny's....The only thing Faster when matched up is the fact the common opponents fall quicker for Manny then Floyd:o

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I don't see what those prove? I think the difference is that Manny throws everything at full speed whereas Mayweather uses more accuracy and throws more feint type punches. I think their actual handspeed is the same, but Manny throws combinations. Mayweather also doesn't throw with all his speed unless he really needs to. We saw Mayweather show much more impressive handspeed against Mosley than we did against JMM, because he needed to be that fast to land on Mosley. He is so economical that he would he won't generally throw his fastest punches(which puts you a little more off balance) unless its necessary, whereas Manny throws every punch like that, and obviously if you put more force behind a punch it will travel faster as long as you are relaxed.

The biggest difference in their speed is that Floyd because he doesn't bounce can get off at anytime, he also throws one or two punches at a time which means he relies on landing with the first punch whereas Manny doesn't. He is a better mixture of speed and timing because his style has forced him to master both. Also another important factor is distance because Manny throws combinations it isn't as important for him to really, really know distance the same way a guy who throws one punch at a time does. That being said after Manny throws a combination he is usually out of position because he has overextended himself, and there is a lapse that a guy like Floyd could take advantage of because he is always in balance and ready to act.

Footspeed, I think Manny is a little faster possibly, but that's probably because he bounces like aforementioned, but IMO that isn't worth the holes it leaves in what he does. I just think Mayweather developped himself defensively so well he doesn't need to rely on a lot of footspeed to avoid danger, thus he focus' on a higher level of footwork with more subtle nuances to it.

Basically they are both at the very top of the sport all time for overall speed, but Floyd has better defensive skills, instincts, and timing.

i'm going to have to butt in and give a piece of my shit.

you all have great points. thing that is being overlooked is that pac doesn't throw combinations at the start of the bell at the very first round. pac, as well as floyd, like to feel out their opponents before actually engaging in "their style" of fighting. so what does this all boil down to? whoever gets off first and whoever ruins the rhythm of the other guy.

floyd is good at figuring out his opponents after a couple of rounds, that's when he starts disrupting his opponents' rhythm and gives out a clinic.

pac feints jabs, baiting himself going in and out but not exactly commiting to his punches. but once he figures out your speed and punching strength, he goes on to whatever plan roach gave him. which poses problems because once he gets going, there's no stopping, just like the juggernaut from the x-men.

on paper, the advantage is definitely floyd's. in reality, we're gonna have to wait.

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

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If this fight goes through, let's have an avatar bet! I see you don't have an avatar yet coz maybe you're too dumb to not know how to place an avatar yet.
IF pac wins against mayweather i want you to have an avatar of ellerbe and a title saying "this is my secret identity."
If mayweather wins i will never again post here at saddo.
Deal? No chicken shit.