Where is this secret footage that shows Floyd being faster then Manny?

[DaxxKahn]

I hear this all the time usually from posters who ask questions like Where can I sign up to wipe Floyds ass...I don't see it...Especially right now at this point in their careers...Yes Floyd is fast but not Pacquiao fast....Shit opponents they have in common don't think Floyd is as fast....





Now looking at both videos I do not see whare Floyds speed is greater then Manny's....The only thing Faster when matched up is the fact the common opponents fall quicker for Manny then Floyd

[ElTerribleMorales]

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

[CFH]

I think Floyd's main strength regarding his punching is his accuracy and timing. He's ridiculously fast, but his accuracy and knowing what punch to throw when is what makes him such an excellent puncher. IMO at least.

[Althugz]

Yeah Pacquiao is faster for sure...but he doesn't have the boxing brain of Floyd..it's improved but still nowhere near that level.

Timing beats speed..ask Vernon Forrest (RIP)

[Violent Demise]

Mayweather is faster. That's obvious. His speed is amazing. Pacquiao is fast. But he's been made to look even faster than he really is cuz of all the slow fighters he's been facing. Clottey. Hatton. Old De La Hoya. Compared to them Pacquiao seems to be operating at warp speed. Mayweather speed was proven when he faced another fast fighter in Mosley.

[Althugz]

Mayweather is faster. That's obvious. His speed is amazing. Pacquiao is fast. But he's been made to look even faster than he really is cuz of all the slow fighters he's been facing. Clottey. Hatton. Old De La Hoya. Compared to them Pacquiao seems to be operating at warp speed. Mayweather speed was proven when he faced another fast fighter in Mosley.

and they say Floyd cherry picks...

[milmascaras1]

no doubt that mayweather jr. has faster hands than pacquiao. not only that, he's got better ring intelligence, reflexes and defense. pacquiao's boxing ability has improved but he still gets tagged way too many times to be anywhere as intelligent as mayweather jr..

[JonnyFolds]

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

yea i'm sure you would rather have Pacquiao beat retired guys like Chavez and Taylor, or guys who won't beat the shit out of him, cause that's what Mayweather will do

and so what if he only throws 30 punches a round, with how bad Manny misses and how sharp Mayweather's defense and reflexes are, every shot within those 30 punches thrown by Floyd will be more effective than ANYTHING Pacquiao does, Manny still misses alot, and still gets hit alot, so his punch output wont help him one bit

[Gandalf]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

[AdamGB]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

[erik_corrales]

its the ultimate hugger vs. hater thread!!


i'm enjoying here, seriously

[milmascaras1]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

[Taeth]

I hear this all the time usually from posters who ask questions like Where can I sign up to wipe Floyds ass...I don't see it...Especially right now at this point in their careers...Yes Floyd is fast but not Pacquiao fast....Shit opponents they have in common don't think Floyd is as fast....





Now looking at both videos I do not see whare Floyds speed is greater then Manny's....The only thing Faster when matched up is the fact the common opponents fall quicker for Manny then Floyd

I don't see what those prove? I think the difference is that Manny throws everything at full speed whereas Mayweather uses more accuracy and throws more feint type punches. I think their actual handspeed is the same, but Manny throws combinations. Mayweather also doesn't throw with all his speed unless he really needs to. We saw Mayweather show much more impressive handspeed against Mosley than we did against JMM, because he needed to be that fast to land on Mosley. He is so economical that he would he won't generally throw his fastest punches(which puts you a little more off balance) unless its necessary, whereas Manny throws every punch like that, and obviously if you put more force behind a punch it will travel faster as long as you are relaxed.

The biggest difference in their speed is that Floyd because he doesn't bounce can get off at anytime, he also throws one or two punches at a time which means he relies on landing with the first punch whereas Manny doesn't. He is a better mixture of speed and timing because his style has forced him to master both. Also another important factor is distance because Manny throws combinations it isn't as important for him to really, really know distance the same way a guy who throws one punch at a time does. That being said after Manny throws a combination he is usually out of position because he has overextended himself, and there is a lapse that a guy like Floyd could take advantage of because he is always in balance and ready to act.

Footspeed, I think Manny is a little faster possibly, but that's probably because he bounces like aforementioned, but IMO that isn't worth the holes it leaves in what he does. I just think Mayweather developped himself defensively so well he doesn't need to rely on a lot of footspeed to avoid danger, thus he focus' on a higher level of footwork with more subtle nuances to it.

Basically they are both at the very top of the sport all time for overall speed, but Floyd has better defensive skills, instincts, and timing.

[erik_corrales]

i'm going to have to butt in and give a piece of my shit.

you all have great points. thing that is being overlooked is that pac doesn't throw combinations at the start of the bell at the very first round. pac, as well as floyd, like to feel out their opponents before actually engaging in "their style" of fighting. so what does this all boil down to? whoever gets off first and whoever ruins the rhythm of the other guy.

floyd is good at figuring out his opponents after a couple of rounds, that's when he starts disrupting his opponents' rhythm and gives out a clinic.

pac feints jabs, baiting himself going in and out but not exactly commiting to his punches. but once he figures out your speed and punching strength, he goes on to whatever plan roach gave him. which poses problems because once he gets going, there's no stopping, just like the juggernaut from the x-men.

on paper, the advantage is definitely floyd's. in reality, we're gonna have to wait.