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Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
Interesting.
Tried searching to see if it had been posted but couldn't find anything. According to Andre Berto on twitter, on twitter, Miguel Cotto has turned down an offer to fight Andre Berto this fall. He now says he wants Alfredo Angulo - who, ironically, I thought Cotto might have found next. Apparently, though, Cotto is going to be fighting Martirosyan next:
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Stead they're trying to make Cotto vs Martirosyan happen. Sounds like some more TOP RANK bull to me.. What a shame
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Heard Cotto and his team has declined my offer to sqaure off this fall smh...
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a cotto/angulo fight would be a great, great fight, imo. but i think so would a cotto/berto fight. i think what cotto is thinking is he can make more money fighting angulo because of the large latino market and also it would add fuel to the already intense mexico/puerto rico boxing rivalry.
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a cotto/angulo fight would be a great, great fight, imo. but i think so would a cotto/berto fight. i think what cotto is thinking is he can make more money fighting angulo because of the large latino market and also it would add fuel to the already intense mexico/puerto rico boxing rivalry.
This is definitely the best option for Miguel. Although, agreed, a Cotto/Berto fight would be great but it doesn't look like it is going to be happening - this year at least.
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seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
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Top Rank and it's incestuous bullshit is starting to seriously piss me off. I give it 5 years before they start producing their own title belts and essentially start functioning as a league :p.
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Top Rank and it's incestuous bullshit is starting to seriously piss me off. I give it 5 years before they start producing their own title belts and essentially start functioning as a league :p.
well Bob Arum did say he was gonna take some ideas from the UFC :-X lol
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Top Rank and it's incestuous bullshit is starting to seriously piss me off. I give it 5 years before they start producing their own title belts and essentially start functioning as a league :p.
well Bob Arum did say he was gonna take some ideas from the UFC :-X lol
Well, then maybe he should look into having the best fighters in a division actually fight one another... :-\
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Top Rank and it's incestuous bullshit is starting to seriously piss me off. I give it 5 years before they start producing their own title belts and essentially start functioning as a league :p.
well Bob Arum did say he was gonna take some ideas from the UFC :-X lol
Well, then maybe he should look into having the best fighters in a division actually fight one another... :-\
yea i'm in agreement with you on that, but i also understand why Cotto might not want to take on a marquee name right now (although IMO he beats up Berto badly), and Berto well has the habit of screwing himself out of fights, Mosley and him were in negotiations again and well they offered Berto $400,000 and well he thought he was above that and well Mosley moved on to Mora
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Smartest move Cotto could have done. He'll make more money getting beat up by Angulo then he will by getting beat up by Berto.
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angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
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seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
You back up every single thing Cotto does, good or bad. Clearly, IYO it would be understandable. I don't disagree, here, however, for different reasons. If you are going to be a champion at 154, fight some of the top 154 guys. Foreman and Martirosyan are top ten guys. In a way, Cotto is making his way up the ladder of competition at 154. His next fight after Martirosyan should be against tougher opposition at 154. Martinez, Angulo, Williams, Dzinziruk etc. Truthfully, a fight against Dzinziruk at 154, would be a great match-up of styles. I favor Dzinziruk, but I haven't seen enough of him to be completely confident in his abilities. At this stage, I see Angulo pulverizing Cotto. Williams outworking him with volume and Martinez outclassing him. I don't want to see a Pacquiao rematch.
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seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
You back up every single thing Cotto does, good or bad. Clearly, IYO it would be understandable. I don't disagree, here, however, for different reasons. If you are going to be a champion at 154, fight some of the top 154 guys. Foreman and Martirosyan are top ten guys. In a way, Cotto is making his way up the ladder of competition at 154. His next fight after Martirosyan should be against tougher opposition at 154. Martinez, Angulo, Williams, Dzinziruk etc. Truthfully, a fight against Dzinziruk at 154, would be a great match-up of styles. I favor Dzinziruk, but I haven't seen enough of him to be completely confident in his abilities. At this stage, I see Angulo pulverizing Cotto. Williams outworking him with volume and Martinez outclassing him. I don't want to see a Pacquiao rematch.
i don't back up every sing thing Cotto does, it was reported that he was in negotiations here in PR when Mayweather came over here, and as i said i was hoping that Cotto wouldn't take the fight, apart from maybe Jennings and Gomez, name one weak fighter he's taken on since 2007 so same way as other fighters such as Bute and Pavlik deserved a break and chance to take on gimme i think Cotto should at this point, especially given how his fight with Pacquiao ended and the fact that he has a new trainer, i'm not saying he should just take on guys like Foreman and Martirosyan for the rest of his career, cause i'd love to see him take on guys like Berto, Bradley, Williams, Cintron, Dzinziruk, Martinez (at 154), Angulo (who i think Cotto would completely outbox), and even a rematch with Margarito (cause i believe that Cotto would beat the shit out of the cheat in a rematch), but he does deserve a chance to take on decent competition as he is doing while he adjusts to being with Steward, it's not like he's taking on someone like Lujan, Julio, or R. Hearns
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i agree with ONIXAA, in that cotto would get a nasty beating against alfredo angulo! if cotto thought margarito hit hard and pressured him, wait till he fights a bigger, stronger angulo who also hits alot harder than cotto. i'm sure cotto's going to build up a nice early lead but i seriously doubt he can hurt angulo. on the flip side, angulo is going to come after cotto and make him fight. i think cotto's face is going to look like raw fish after angulo gets thru with him. and this coming from a cotto fan.
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ElTerribleMorales
seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
You back up every single thing Cotto does, good or bad. Clearly, IYO it would be understandable. I don't disagree, here, however, for different reasons. If you are going to be a champion at 154, fight some of the top 154 guys. Foreman and Martirosyan are top ten guys. In a way, Cotto is making his way up the ladder of competition at 154. His next fight after Martirosyan should be against tougher opposition at 154. Martinez, Angulo, Williams, Dzinziruk etc. Truthfully, a fight against Dzinziruk at 154, would be a great match-up of styles. I favor Dzinziruk, but I haven't seen enough of him to be completely confident in his abilities. At this stage, I see Angulo pulverizing Cotto. Williams outworking him with volume and Martinez outclassing him. I don't want to see a Pacquiao rematch.
Haha. Truth.
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HattonTheHammer
angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
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You think Berto would beat Cotto worse then Pac? It's fun to watch Berto highlight reels but he is not even close to a finished product and at this point probably never will be. It would be a close fight I think Cotto would win.
Was the fight at 147 or 154? I don't think Cotto should go back down to 147 yet. Cotto-Berto is undeniably a greater fight then Cotto-Matirosyan.
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HattonTheHammer
angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would
DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
who of not has Berto blasted out? i mean it took him longer than both Williams and Cotto to get Quintana out of there, Berto has been hurt by light punchers before (Collazo and Cosme Rivera) and Cotto hits a hell of a lot harder than both, both have stamina issues in the later rounds, and Berto tends to throw the gameplan out of the window, add in the fact that he has yet to face a marquee name, Cotto stops Berto in 8, also don't forget that a Jr. Welterweight did what Berto couldn't which was knock Urango the fuck out, Berto never even really wobbled him, hell he didn't look impressive at all in a long time cause even Quintana was able to get to him early on
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Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
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I'm still waiting for someone to capitalize on Berto's glaring weakness's (defense, footwork, inside game). Cotto definitely has the skills to be the man, I mean if Collazo had more power he would have been that man. I don't understand the argument that Cotto is not ready for Berto, the statement should be reversed, Cotto has to be one of the best boxer/punchers in the last 5 years whilst Berto 100% relies on his amazing hand speed. I can understand from the business side not wanting the fight, Berto isn't a big draw and has kinda fallen off the radar since backing out of his fight with Mosley (please note I don't hold it against him, but it is what it is).
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It's not so bad that Berto backed out of the fight with Mosley, but no follow up act? I think his management and team are looking for a better spot to put Berto on display. Someone more road worn and box-able. And, I don't think it's going to happen this year. He is gonna have trouble finding fights, and his stock has dropped out after Callazo pushed him to the edge in a fight he thought he was going to showcase his abilities..
Berto is not at fault for not putting Urango on the canvas. Obviously you haven't watched very many of Uragos fights, because he definitely has one of the best chins in boxing. And, the guy who did stop him? Well guess what, Devon Alexander is one of the hardest punchers in boxing. And Randal Bailey put Urango on his ass in the 6th with one of the hardest right hands I've ever seen. A career ending shot for most, but got up and Urango came back to win that fight.
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It's not so bad that Berto backed out of the fight with Mosley, but no follow up act? I think his management and team are looking for a better spot to put Berto on display. Someone more road worn and box-able. And, I don't think it's going to happen this year. He is gonna have trouble finding fights, and his stock has dropped out after Callazo pushed him to the edge in a fight he thought he was going to showcase his abilities..
Berto is not at fault for not putting Urango on the canvas. Obviously you haven't watched very many of Uragos fights, because he definitely has one of the best chins in boxing. And, the guy who did stop him? Well guess what, Devon Alexander is one of the hardest punchers in boxing. And Randal Bailey put Urango on his ass in the 6th with one of the hardest right hands I've ever seen. A career ending shot for most, but got up and Urango came back to win that fight.
Alexander is one of the hardest hitting fighters today, but Berto isn't, that's my point, as for Bailey although he does have devastating power (even today) he is way past his best, so if he was able to drop Urango so badly why wasn't Berto if he had this fearsome power that some of the other guys are saying he has
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I think a few people havent read the first post properly. It says because Cotto doesnt want to fight Berto, Berto will now look to fight Angulo while Cotto goes for Martyrosian:rolleyes:
I think Berto stops Cotto, hes quick accurate and powerfull.
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....he's ducking, scared, chicken so on and so forth. Oh wait that's only for floyd.
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HattonTheHammer
angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would
DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
Opinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.
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angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would
DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
Opinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.
Berto has bad habits, keeps his hands too low, strays away from the gameplan, gets hit too much, and these are things he HASN'T fixed, and i doubt he ever will, Cotto brutally breaks Berto apart, i don't see that fight ending any differently than Cotto/Judah
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ANGULO is going to destroy that aroz con pollo eatin MOFO.al cotto is doing is loking for one good PAYDAY.that CHUMP IS SHOT BIGTIME............
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Cotto soundly beats Vanes.
Cotto beats Berto in what starts off as a competative bout until Cotto drops him with a hook down stairs.
Cotto beats Angulo in hard fought battle that see's Angulo taking a knee. While Cotto suffers from cuts.
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ANGULO is going to destroy that aroz con pollo eatin MOFO.al cotto is doing is loking for one good PAYDAY.that CHUMP IS SHOT BIGTIME............
Idiot.
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angulo and berto need another 3-4 solid matchups with 2nd tier opponents before the likes of miguel cotto should be considered.
I just see a raw youthful berto being taught a boxing lesson by the classier opponent
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would
DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
Opinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.
Not sure that there is a Berto bandwagon but if there is I will gladly sit in the drivers seat, especially if there ever were a fight between the two. I also wouldnt say anyone is a Cotto hater for saying he is going to get beat by another fighter. Cotto has been in some very damaging battles and it appears, in MY opinion, that is has really took a toll on his body. The next puncher he gets in there with is going to stop Cotto in bad fashion and it could be either Angulo or Berto. Both are good punchers and Berto also has great speed, throw that in with a war torn Cotto and its only a matter of time before seeing him laid out Ricky Hatton style.
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ElTerribleMorales
seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
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seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.
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seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman
what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career
when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)
also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner ;)
that's the big difference ;)
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ono
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ElTerribleMorales
seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman
what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career
when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)
also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner ;)
that's the big difference ;)
We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.
Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....
I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.
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ono
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ElTerribleMorales
seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman
what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career
when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)
also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner ;)
that's the big difference ;)
We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.
Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....
I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.
cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan
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ElTerribleMorales
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ono
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ono
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ElTerribleMorales
seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;D
difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman
what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career
when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)
also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner ;)
that's the big difference ;)
We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.
Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....
I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.
cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan
I genuinely agree with you, however the fact is there aren't many other 23 year olds in the sport with a comparable resume. If he continues to improve his level of opponent, by the time he reaches his peak he should be fighting the best guys in his division. My point was, regardless of what either of them have done in the past, it's fair to assume that they both require time to settle with their new coach and iron out the deficiencies in their respective games. I was just confused as to why it was fine for Cotto to take two complete gimmies whilst he adapts to his new trainer's teachings, when it's not ok for other fighters.
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Re: Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.
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Re: Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
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Taeth
I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.
amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now
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Re: Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
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Taeth
I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.
amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now
Styles make fights. Berto is fast and powerful not a good combination for Cotto. Mayweather waits and counters which would put Cotto in the drivers seat in terms of the action so when he gets hurt and tired he can decide to back off and the fight will have a break in the action.
Manny and Margo both kept coming on Cotto and he wilted under the preassure. I dont think Mayweather would be the aggressor which owuld be better for Cotto, unless of course its the "I have a point to prove" Mayweather that was the aggressor with Mosley. If thats the case then its a bad night for Miguel Cotto.
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Re: Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
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OnixAA
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.
amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now
Styles make fights. Berto is fast and powerful not a good combination for Cotto. Mayweather waits and counters which would put Cotto in the drivers seat in terms of the action so when he gets hurt and tired he can decide to back off and the fight will have a break in the action.
Manny and Margo both kept coming on Cotto and he wilted under the preassure. I dont think Mayweather would be the aggressor which owuld be better for Cotto, unless of course its the "I have a point to prove" Mayweather that was the aggressor with Mosley. If thats the case then its a bad night for Miguel Cotto.
Berto is far from being a relentless fighter, and in no way shape or form does he have devastating power, his power is average at best
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Re: Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.
amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now
Styles make fights. Berto is fast and powerful not a good combination for Cotto. Mayweather waits and counters which would put Cotto in the drivers seat in terms of the action so when he gets hurt and tired he can decide to back off and the fight will have a break in the action.
Manny and Margo both kept coming on Cotto and he wilted under the preassure. I dont think Mayweather would be the aggressor which owuld be better for Cotto, unless of course its the "I have a point to prove" Mayweather that was the aggressor with Mosley. If thats the case then its a bad night for Miguel Cotto.
Berto is far from being a relentless fighter, and in no way shape or form does he have devastating power, his power is average at best
He is not Margarito aggressive but I do think he has above average power in his punches due to his speed.
