What do you guys really think of this guy?
Does he really deserve phrases such as a "great trainer"?
How many champions has he produce?
How much does he really know about boxing?
What do you guys think of the Moore Holyfield fight?
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What do you guys really think of this guy?
Does he really deserve phrases such as a "great trainer"?
How many champions has he produce?
How much does he really know about boxing?
What do you guys think of the Moore Holyfield fight?
I personally don't think he is a "great" trainer, but a descent one. As long as he's been around, and the fighters he's been around i would hope he knows a lot about boxing. As for his work on FNF, i absolutely hate it. I recorded last weeks FNF and watched it this morning and he compared boxing to kickoffs in football, and i think cooking also, where does he come up with this stuff??
I wish he was my bookmaker. Quality pre fight predictions ;D
I think he is a top trainer. He knows exactly what he is telling his fighter and never really given bad advice on his keys to victory on FNF. I think what separates him from being the top guy and good trainer is he does not seem to take fighter's in their primes anymore as he did when Tyson fell into his lap. Everyone thinks it was Rooney and Cus D'amato who made Tyson the monster he was but in actuality it was Atlas who was doing the training and Rooney the fighting. He seems to get middle of the road fighter's Moorer,Briggs. Now he does have Povetkin an undefeated heavyweight and I will be very interested to see what he has taught him.
...i agree with above. He's a decent trainer. He can only prepare the guys and give them the best advice he can. I've never heard him give bad advice. I've only seen fighters ignore it.
He predicted Hatton would stop Pacquiao
He predicted Tony Thompson would stop Wlad Klitschko.
I think he had Shane beating Mayweather too.
Sadly, I was with him on all but Thompson Klitschko.
I think he is a great trainer. But he really doesn't have the political correctness and kiss ass attitude to be a top trainer today. He talks too damn much, adn he repeats himself a lot. I guess when you wor with heavyweights you have to do that to get through that thick skull.
I like him, everyone makes wrong call now and then but he knows his boxing and very entertaining.
I think he's a great trainer but just like Tyson, he's on the nutso side...
I think Atlas has some quality to him but like Bert Sugar he's become a caricature of himself. He's the eccentric trainer that compares boxing to everything. I think he's a good trainer, not great he got Michael Moorer to reach his potential. He (or Grant's management) rushed Michael Grant
Has Teddy ever trained anyone in weight classes other than heavyweight? I can't think of anyone he's trained other than heavyweights.
he's a good trainer but talks too much shit, as for only training HW's that's not true, he also trained Donny Lalonde (light heavyweight), and talks about how he was actually was going to try and kill him for firing him (it's in Teddy's book Atlas: From the Streets to the Ring: A Son's Struggle to Become a Man) :-\, he also worked the corner of McGuigan
For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage. :rolleyes:
Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well. ;D
He's one of my favorite personalities in all of boxing.
He's a very good trainer, but I'd stop short of calling him elite; he's not Freddy Roach of anything.
He's a great commentator, if an eccentric one, and I love that he always speaks his mind (even when he's way off base). He definitely knows his boxing, even if he does get a lot of predictions wrong.
Solid trainer.He was brilliant with Moorer though theatrical.On the mic he does have a raw underlying wit and great insight but comes across as the neighborhood kid stuffed into an undersized pressed suit.He should write his metaphores down so he does not repeat them as often.His exchanges with Kellerman years ago were histarical tv.
WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
It's pretty obvious from just hearing Teddy Atlas talk he knows his boxing.
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Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
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No argument with that. He DOES have the passion. ;D
his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
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Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in povertyQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in povertyQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.
Have a great night.
it's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the differenceQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in povertyQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.
Have a great night.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the differenceQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in povertyQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.
Have a great night.
Good God, give it a rest. I have given you my opinion. Take it or leave it. :mad:
i'm not the one getting worked up on it :-X, seems that you're the one who can't take anyone elses opinionQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the differenceQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in povertyQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshis dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial incomeQuote:
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Originally Posted by amatWTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite. :goodvsevil:
I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.
But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.
On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..
So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.
;D
You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.
Have a great night.
Good God, give it a rest. I have given you my opinion. Take it or leave it. :mad:
It's just holmcall you don't know the guy, yet Teddy is known by people who actually do know him that he's a bit crazy and will fight to the tooth and nail for his guys. Just saying there are things to criticize and things not to do, but he it just seems odd that you are criticizing him for his past and claiming he's fabricated it when that's really really doubtful. I don't get what plastic surgery covering up his scar means either.
Look, I am not accusing him of fabricating anything. Those are your words, not mine. All I am really trying to say here (and I obviously failed to do it) is that I think Teddy's a bit over the top with his tough guy persona. As for the scar, I think you know fully well what I mean. I have an ugly shrapnel scar on my right bicep that I could have fixed anytime I want to, but I won't because I like having it there. It allows me to tell people how I got it. BTW, I note that no one commented on his Sammy the Bulll bullshit. Now this is my last post because I am tired of trying to give abalnced viewpoint only to have it callled ignorant and absurd. I don't mind a good debate at all.That's what these forums are for. But I don't care for insults or flaming. Just not my styel. The thread asked for an opinion. I gave it. End of story. :confused:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
He is a solid trainer-- Not a A "GREAT" trainer. Steward aand Roach are "great" trainers.
One that I know about but maybe more. But he trained alot of very fine fighters.
More than most.
The Moore Holyfield was a case of great inspirational corner work as was the case of Moorer vs Botha, but not Moorer vs Foreman.
I agree, I also read the book too, Chris Nagel uploaded it here. Was Sammy the Bull the guy that threatened some comedian at the charity or whatever? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcallLook, I am not accusing him of fabricating anything. Those are your words, not mine. All I am really trying to say here (and I obviously failed to do it) is that I think Teddy's a bit over the top with his tough guy persona. As for the scar, I think you know fully well what I mean. I have an ugly shrapnel scar on my right bicep that I could have fixed anytime I want to, but I won't because I like having it there. It allows me to tell people how I got it. BTW, I note that no one commented on his Sammy the Bulll bullshit. Now this is my last post because I am tired of trying to give abalnced viewpoint only to have it callled ignorant and absurd. I don't mind a good debate at all.That's what these forums are for. But I don't care for insults or flaming. Just not my styel. The thread asked for an opinion. I gave it. End of story. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
About Atlas I wouldn't say he had a tough upbringing, more like a rebellious kid that got in trouble. Atlas had a solid 2 parent home where his family's income was in the upper tax bracket. He just acted like a brat and ran with the wrong crowd because his dad didn't pay too much attention to him or whatever.
And I can see where some people won't feel sorry for this "tough" upbringing, I"m also 1 of them.
Yea I don't get what you mind about the Sammy the Bull part. The comedian thing was funny, he was just a workout partner and then he trained his son who didn't have his heart into it and his comments weren't really jaded to much. I'm not flaming either just trying to dissect your opinion a bit. Maybe I confused what 'bullshyte' was it made me think you were saying that he was bullshitting like lying. Fair enough.
Good post Holmcall.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
He is a solid trainer-- Not a A "GREAT" trainer. Steward aand Roach are "great" trainers.
One that I know about but maybe more. But he trained alot of very fine fighters.
More than most.
The Moore Holyfield was a case of great inspirational corner work as was the case of Moorer vs Botha, but not Moorer vs Foreman.
This book of Teddy I have not read, I am not aware of who Sammy the Bull is.
Apparently if you come from a household that isn't on welfare or food stamps then you lose a bit of "street cred"...why I don't know. What's worse being a little thug because you have to or being one because you want to?
As for bad corner work vs Foreman, Teddy told him that right cross was coming, Moorer was too stupid and too stubborn to move.
I think when it comes down to it and I was fighting I would take Teddy Atlas over any trainer today. HE knows how to light a fire under his fighter's ass and knows what exactley to tell his fighter.
Some good posts in here.
At the end of the day i think we can all agree he's just a poor man's Steve Bunce....
Not a poor mans Bunce but indeed an American one! Personally think he's a legend, I reckon he talks sense even if he is a tad eccentric! His book is one of the most interesting that I've ever read!
...I don't think Teddy's head is soo far up one certain fighter's ass that he can't think straight. Teddy keeps things real for the most part, look at what he did with Povetkin, he didn't make excuses he just said "My guy isn't ready"....no back injury, no Setanta going bankrupt, no contract issues, no nothing other than THE TRUTH.....wish more heavyweights and their trainers (and their media mouthpieces) could handle that simple task of being honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I do think Teddy can get overly emotional in a corner and I could see that hurting some fighters but helping others.....the issue with Michael Moorer was that in the Holyfield fight it appeared that Teddy willed Moorer over the finish line (which he did) and that made Moorer resentful and he wanted to do his own thing ever since he got that criticism.
As a boxing fan I would certainly enjoy it if Teddy or hell even Kevin Rooney became popular trainers again, the more various styles we get to see as fans and that boxers get taught the more the history of the sport will live on through those styles so you can look at Mike Tyson and see Jose Torres or Floyd Patterson.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong...I don't think Teddy's head is soo far up one certain fighter's ass that he can't think straight. Teddy keeps things real for the most part, look at what he did with Povetkin, he didn't make excuses he just said "My guy isn't ready"....no back injury, no Setanta going bankrupt, no contract issues, no nothing other than THE TRUTH.....wish more heavyweights and their trainers (and their media mouthpieces) could handle that simple task of being honest.Quote:
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I do think Teddy can get overly emotional in a corner and I could see that hurting some fighters but helping others.....the issue with Michael Moorer was that in the Holyfield fight it appeared that Teddy willed Moorer over the finish line (which he did) and that made Moorer resentful and he wanted to do his own thing ever since he got that criticism.
As a boxing fan I would certainly enjoy it if Teddy or hell even Kevin Rooney became popular trainers again, the more various styles we get to see as fans and that boxers get taught the more the history of the sport will live on through those styles so you can look at Mike Tyson and see Jose Torres or Floyd Patterson.
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#1 When I say "one certain fighter" I mean "one certain fighter in general" not specifically Chicken Little
#2 As for the last part, take it how you want to but Teddy and Povetkin have offered up not many excuses other than A) The sinus infection and B) Teddy doesn't think Povetkin is ready....unlike Pac-Mayweather or Williams-Martinez, or whatever
Oh Lyle ;DQuote:
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I was fishing when i said he's a poor man's Steve Bunce. Never mind. ;D
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Originally Posted by onoOh Lyle ;DQuote:
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I was fishing when i said he's a poor man's Steve Bunce. Never mind. ;D
He may or may not be a good trainer, but he is somewhat amusing when he demonstrates stuff, trouble is he often says the same old story line/